TrueUIKakarotto was saying: Everything you typed here is wrong. Goku was 90k without KK and first form Freeza was 530k at max. This Vegeta should be stronger than the Freeza who killed him. Freeza at that point was slightly over 3 million and clearly Cooler is either using more power than Freeza was using or Cooler is flat-out stronger.

Don't forget that Vegeta witnessed Mecha Frieza's defeat by Trunks, so Vegeta should be comparing Mecha Frieza's power with Cooler.

Logically, this Cooler is stronger than Namek SSJ Goku who should be close to Mecha Frieza.

TrueUIKakarotto was saying: Amazing. Everything you typed here is wrong. Goku was 90k without KK and first form Freeza was 530k at max. This Vegeta should be stronger than the Freeza who killed him. Freeza at that point was slightly over 3 million and clearly Cooler is either using more power than Freeza was using or Cooler is flat-out stronger.


Pretty much this. Yeah going by the "official" number, Frieza's final form MAX as 120,000,000. Goku in his Super Saiyan form was 150,000,000. But of course, those are just the official numbers. Considering this is a fan work the author can make whatever rules they want, (take DMB itself for example.). That said, it's really, REALLY weird having Veggie here think he could possibly take on a Frieza level opponent, even if his level had jumped to at best 20 million. Vegeta fully deserves the ass whoopin' he's about to receive.

Also, lol what is this "Frostzone Grenade" move Cooler is pulling here haha

I was always under the impression that Grandpa Gohan knew the Oozaru was Goku. Unless Grandpa Gohan means it wasn't Goku's fault, because he lost control.

Honestly... what a waste. Not a waste of time, but like... there can still be so much more story. Gohan could be training with Goku, Piccolo and King Kai in Otherworld, then Baba would send Gohan back to Earth to face Frieza. It'd be his redemption besides just dying with Vegeta. King Kai can even tell them about Planet Namek, where they can use the Dragon Balls to bring back Piccolo. Hell, with Frieza defeated, it could be Cooler who goes to Namek in his place for the Namekian Dragon Balls. I'm also surprised Chichi even let Tien go with them in the previous page. I'm not giving him blame or something, but Chichi would naturally be angry with him and have some animosity towards him, whether it's out of grief or a genuine belief that he failed.
I just hope you consider continuing this story someday, goten-kun. I wouldn't mind exchanging story ideas with you over Discord, if you'd be interested.

Damian Qualshy was saying: Okay how is he supposed to regenerate from that? He got completely vaporized. It's not even the same as Goku's Instant Transmission Kamehameha where half of Cell was left.
Unless another Cell shows up lol.

Mustard was saying: MajinPower was saying: That’s when Kulilin goes back thinking Gast won. Cell regenerates, kills Kulilin and Gohan and Gast kills him.
I'm gonna be upset if that happens. Again, the only reason Cell was able to survive with just one cell was Freeza's DNA. This Cell should be limited to Namekian healing abilities.
HOW did you all people came to that conclusion? Freeza nor Cold can't heal on their own.

That's what I want to know! I'm reading through these comments, and I'm surprised what people are saying about Frost Demons. Granted, it's been many years since I read the manga, but I don't remember anything about Frost Demons being able to survive "in chunks", or anything like that. I do, however, remember Freiza telling Goku that Frost Demons can survive in space - but nothing about them being able to survive in pieces.

That being said, I'm really curious to know where those making these claims are getting them from? Not attacking anyone - I geniunely want to know.


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Also, that explosion in the last panel is sick!

mAc Chaos was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: ok. now what?

does he come back as a ghost to terrorize the universe? or even a zombie some how? spooking 1 guy on earth hardly qualifies as "terrorizing the universe".

maybe the wording used indicates "potential universe threat" unless he regenerates from his core...which seems to be completely eradicated.


PkMario was saying: Yeah I don't think Cell is dead, Gast has yet to learn about his "nucleus".
I don't think he's going to live. Him coming back after self destructing in Z is because of a combo of genetics: he had Namek cells to regenerate, but it was Freeza's that let him live even as just a small clump and come back. Otherwise he just dies from that huge amount of damage. And he doesn't have Freeza's here... so it's over.
But that's not quite how it works. Weak namekians don't survive mortal wounds. Medium tier ones can, but only so much. Really strong namekians can recover from just about anything. For example, Piccolo who was perhaps somewhere close to fpssj by the buu saga was turned to stone, shattered into bits and came back fine. Gast who is about ssj3 was sliced to pieces and obliterated by someone who knew about his regeneration... and he came back just fine.

ok. now what?

does he come back as a ghost to terrorize the universe? or even a zombie some how? spooking 1 guy on earth hardly qualifies as "terrorizing the universe".

maybe the wording used indicates "potential universe threat" unless he regenerates from his core...which seems to be completely eradicated.

Yeah I don't think Cell is dead, Gast has yet to learn about his "nucleus".

Would this version of Cell actually act like this without Frieza's DNA? Even the version with Frieza's DNA wasn't this evil. He just wanted to be perfect and have a great fight.

Great art “all will know despair” sounds like something a new school anime manga would say.

The mere fact he says I will destroy planets one by one is implying that is he weaker than super perfect cell who could destroy the whole solar system in one go. Unless it’s implying he can’t breathe in space since he doesn’t have frieza and king cold cells, nor instant transmission from Goku, so he would need to put a ki shield around him while flying in space like Broly did as a kid for movie 8 flashback and in DBM Universe 3 where Bardock was king of saiyans and Broly killed Cold and Cooler from flying from planet to planet in his ki shield bubble in space.
But Gas is most likely trying to soak up information from Cell as he is bidding time to wait until Cell is off guard since Gas would’ve already regenerated his arm by now and is using element of surprise against Cell.

Doubt they'd have the energy to resurrect Buu.

Holy shit this timeline is dark. Chichi loses her husband and her son, Tien loses his best friend, Roshi loses his original students. No Dragonballs, no Kami, and the Earth's only got a couple years left until Buu shows up and probably kills everyone anyway

mAc Chaos was saying: Polar was saying: The dialogue doesn’t make much sense.
Yes it does. What doesn't make sense about it?
The last box.

The dialogue doesn’t make much sense.

f60outrunn was saying: Shabby was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: He never became actually evil like Vegeta was, especially when he got a sudden turnaround now meaning he always had good in him still.

Absurd. He's murdered masses, the thing evil people do. He just didn't want to murder his own friends.
To be fair he was brainwashed from a very young and impressionable age, but ultimately i agree with you, he no doubt has killed countless lives along with vegeta and co...
But - given how mainline Vegeta survived the spirit bomb (and so did everyone ever hit by it besides kid buu), and ultimately became a good person, there is an 'out in the event gohan survives.

To be fair, Vegeta survived a drastically weakened Genki Dama (when passing it to Krillen Goku stated he dropped most of the ki he had gatheree) and Frieza had wiped out almost all life on Namek (Goku stated their was barely any ki left). So neither were hit by a "full power" version

Here Tien didn't lose anything and even added Yamcha's ki to it then a Kikoho on top. Of course they did go out of their way to add that Nasu didn't add his ki, so could be setting up that as the reason it wasn't strong enough to kill Vegeta

isnt veegeta considered enemy? why are they welcoming him

...And? Is he gonna protect ALL such flowers EVER? Kinda weird, if you ask me. It's not like it's objectively special in any tangible way.

Kanyon was saying: Part of me hates that DB Super didn't give trunk's world a happy ending like this comic's special. The other part of me sees it as so devastating that not even the dragon balls could fix. Not everyone gets a happy ending and that's ok.

This comic is nice though, I appreciate the vision and the direction it took.
tgis comic's trunks original universe is also deleted by zeno

in fa t thisncomic is direct continuation of super

its a scenario of what happened to new timeline trunks and mai went to after end of black saga

With the unveiling of SSJ0, isn’t Vegeta stronger than Gohan now?

Again, you misunderstand. I included from an in-universe perspective, not just from a reader's perspective. From Videl's point of view, she's clearly capable of understanding implications and desires because she herself shows a desire to keep those she loves safe. She does not give Vegeta the benefit of the doubt and immediately assumes he's a heartless monster even though the implication here, a concept she fully understands, is that he wants revenge for his children. She willfully ignores this implication and CHOOSES to be cruel despite such an act being out of character.

mAc Chaos was saying: i mean... anyone with common sense would know that its implied, it doesnt need to be said. if i say "im hungry, lets go to mcdonalds" i dont need to say "i want to eat at mcdonalds".Okay but I said the issue was if we can give Videl the benefit of the doubt, we can give Vegeta the benefit of the doubt. Either way it makes Videl look like she's just randomly being cruel. He obviously wants revenge, she wants her kid to just be safe. Despite this being obvious, she still randomly insinuates Vegeta is some sort of heartless monster when he clearly wants revenge which makes her seem heartless instead. That's the issue. If we take the obvious to be understood by both, she comes across as cruel. If we instead assume that she's an idiot who can't understand implications, she still comes across as cruel.

Sayazur was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Too deus ex.. How did she know how to create a healing tank? I'd assume even Vegeta wouldn't know.

Do you even know what a deus ex is?

A deus ex is basically an unexpected plot device that appears out of nowhere to solve a problem the characters couldn’t escape from, something that wasn’t set up properly and feels like it bends the story just to save them.

At no point in the story you’ve read so far has this pod we’re talking about ever “saved” Vegeta from any narrative situation.

So now, how could she have created one when even Vegeta doesn’t know how to make one?

Well, first of all, Vegeta isn’t a scientific genius, unlike Bulma, who can build spaceships capable of leaving our solar system and LITERALLY TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!

He asked her for a regeneration pod with a vague description, and she did the best she could (she clearly says it probably won’t be as effective as Frieza’s since she doesn’t know the technology).
Mate, I'd say ignore this guy, he admitted himself he loves to shit talk about the writing of authors here on this website. 😜

iron leaf was saying: Yes, it was.
Videl mentions using the Dragon Balls. Vegeta's first reaction is a condescending remark and the desire to kill XXI.
Videl mentions using the Dragon Balls a second time. And Vegeta's response is a remark about Videl's unwillingness to fight.

You're inferring retroactively that she was implying on resurrecting her children. She never even mentions Pan. She never mentions reviving anyone or even implies it with her words. She just randomly freaks out and screeches about Vegeta hating his children after repeatedly asking to run away. Anybody could have thrown this exact reasoning in her face just like she did Vegeta. "What, run away and leave our children dead and their killer alive? Clearly you're a heartless psychopath." She doesn't get points for freaking out about it after she calls someone an uncaring parent over their dead kids.

If you want to give credit to Videl about "implying" on reviving people, you have to give credit to Vegeta for implying wanting revenge for his kids. Neither of them mentioned reviving anybody and he didn't say anything for or against reviving his kids. Either way you spin it, Videl comes across as heartless and needlessly cruel here. Not Vegeta.

This is honestly easily fixed in one page edit. Simply have Videl say "Killing XXI won't revive everyone and there's no point risking our lives when we can easily defeat him by sending everyone home." If you want to give her extra reason to flip out, have Vegeta say "That's not good enough!" though you wouldn't really need to change what he says. Videl just needed to say her intentions more clearly or at least IMPLY on reviving everyone. Again, it comes across as random and weirdly cruel from Videl.

I don't quite understand what Videl is saying in the first panel. I assume she wants to avoid XXI and just get the dragon to resurrect everyone and then return them all home? That would be a good plan technically since XXI would be trapped in his universe again.

Majin Wasabi was saying: Freeza was actually fighting Babidi quite well


What page is it shown that Freeza was able to fight Babidi's control at all? It seems odd to me that a being as strong and prideful as Dabura can be almost completely enslaved (to the point of only disobeying direct orders when Dabura thinks they contradict with keeping Babidi alive) but someone like Freeza, who is so much more genuinely evil than Dabura and is far weaker, can fight against it... By all means, I'm not upset by the idea, Lord knows that Freeza and company get enough shit slung at them in this comic that they could use SOME glazing, but still.

kkk was saying: Kryslor was saying: Can the dragonballs even grant such a wish? Zen Buu has been shown to be as powerful, if not more, than Shenron, and he can't do it despite having access to literally everything that was needed. Wasn't the "lore" of multiverse that only the Vargas can do it, for some reason?
The "lore" is that only a U1 being can do it. U1 Shenron is a U1 being. (Page 2516 shows the Vargas, for some reason, were getting the U1 dragonballs for the final wish)
That's fair, but can Shenron "transfer" that ability to someone from another universe? I guess whatever the authors say goes but it seems a little weird to me

Why isn't anyone asking about the "slowly melting away" weirdness, lol?

"Go back"?

mAc Chaos was saying: Wait, so what was the change that made Zamasu side with mortals? He hated Goku still, right? Gowasu said something about Zamasu having proof that mortals and deities could coexist.

He never met Goku. It's said on the previous page. This Zamasu was shown how evil a version of himself became through Whis.

solwitar was saying: Vegeta dodges gg
always wondered why frieza or kid buu didnt dodge it like vegeta did

not like it has some homing ability

Damian Qualshy was saying: King Kindred was saying: brolyhater napisał: King Kindred was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: King Kindred was saying: Zamanks already believes his fusion time is limited. Why is the Trunks half wasting time by listening to Black's ramblings? He has a Saiyan body. You do not give them time to recover.

There's so much smoke and ki around Black that I can't tell if he lost a leg and part of his face.
oh my god... it's because Goku Black is beaten. And because he has honor, unlike his counterpart who's consumed by his own hatred and ego.

When has that ever stopped Trunks who knows that being "beaten" means nothing unless they're actually killed? Trunks that blew up Dr. Gero's base to prevent 17 and 18 from awakening 16, an android who never did anything in his timeline.

Trunks that killed King Cold after after he was defeated and pleading for his life.

Like come on. Let's be real here. Black has terrorized him and has shown himself to be stronger and more resilient than the one he's used to.

Except this isn't Trunks, this is Zamanks, a being born from fusion.

Which is why I said the Trunks half of the fusion in my original comment. With every fusion we've seen qualities of both of the original people.
Except there is no "Trunks" half. That's not how Kaioshin fusions work.
Look at Elder Kai or Kibitoshin. Both completely get rid of one fusee and only the Kai lives. There is no sight of witch's personality or thoughts in Elder Kai, and the same goes for Kibito in Kibitoshin. They're gone.
Vegetto is a combination because Goku and Vegeta are mortals on a similar level, and definitely the mortal status.

Zamanks here is purely Zamasu, who got the powers of Trunks on top of his own.

Those instances have been with Supreme Kais with permanent fusions specifically and like Teleported said, it's not confirmed. Zamasu here is not a Supreme Kai and it's been specified here that the fusion is not permanent.

We see aspects of Trunks within this fusion already with his final attack being Trunks' Burning Attack and not a Zamasu specific move.



Chibi Dam'Z was saying: King Kindred was saying: Zamanks already believes his fusion time is limited. Why is the Trunks half wasting time by listening to Black's ramblings? He has a Saiyan body. You do not give them time to recover.

There's so much smoke and ki around Black that I can't tell if he lost a leg and part of his face.This is also due to the poor quality of the drawing, which does not show very clearly what is happening. But to put it simply, Black Goku gradually fades away in the smoke.

Oh wow. That's interesting. Is it because he's not from that timeline that he's being erased that way?

King Kindred was saying: Zamanks already believes his fusion time is limited. Why is the Trunks half wasting time by listening to Black's ramblings? He has a Saiyan body. You do not give them time to recover.

There's so much smoke and ki around Black that I can't tell if he lost a leg and part of his face.This is also due to the poor quality of the drawing, which does not show very clearly what is happening. But to put it simply, Black Goku gradually fades away in the smoke.

Decends was saying: Why do I get a bad feeling the fusion is going to end right before they finish Goku Black, and Goku Black will probably Ki Blade one of them after defusion
Fusion with a Kaioshin is permanent. Need dragon balls to undo it for Super or Majin Buu for Daima.

This should not be a contest for Zamanks if the whole 'power cut in half due to my arm being unusable' applies equally.

FishNChips was saying: I was once rooting for the bad guys, but now rooting for Nasu like mad. Vegeta can't get outta this, no way.

This Vegeta is both kind of, for me, at the same time closer and father away from U18's Vegeta - he's way less composed IMO, but the canon Vegeta went after Goku into space to challenge him and possibly kill him. I gotta remember that, unlike in the Abridged, they were NOT buddies until like Buu saga.

To be honest I still am rooting for the bad guys, it would be cool for the story to go into a darker direction, just sounds more enticing than the regular expected "the villain gets defeated and everyone lives happily ever after" plot.


Maybe I'm alone on this one though lol

I either misunderstood the first two panels, or they's a mistake: in the first panel I see Mamba's RIGHT hand moving, while in the second panel he uses the LEFT hand to attack Yamoshi.

Actually I've checked the French version of this comic and the vibe is COMPLETEMY different there. It's no wonder the dialogue makes no sense here. It's because it doesn't.

"Even fused to a Kaioshin, you're only half divine. You won't be able to survive in space for very long, meanwhile I can just teleport." is what the bottom left bubble says, which, yeah, is definitely a lot more appropriate in this situation.

I am BEGGING Salagir or whoever is in charge of translating the additional comics to get people who can do proofreading and QC for English (and are familiar with both French and English) because at this point it's ruining the stories the authors are trying to tell.

Prince... Has this EVER worked?

But this scene reminds me so much on Palpatine and Darth Vader. Their dynamic is just the same.

You almost killed yourself trying to surpass your master not too long ago (not counting time dilation), I think you risked plenty in the past, even if it was just a tournament.

Wait. Is that not the job of the Kaioshin? I know they're not supposed to interfere with their development/evolution, but they are meant to nurture and protect their universe. Otherwise wouldn't Shin have gotten in trouble for coming to Earth and warning them about Babidi and Buu?

No offense, since I love your art in general, but he looks crosseyed lol

Good thing Elder Kai more than likely wasn't removed from the Z-Sword in this timeline, Black would have hated him for being the fusion of a God and a Mortal

DrewSaga was saying:
As for the power of their fusion. I guess if Zamasu is still a puny SSJ2-level fighter, then the fusion may not amount to much against Black...


To be fair, it's not like he is Cell Games level of Super Saiyan 2. While Goku initially fought Zamasu in U10 while using Super Saiyan 2 (in the anime), his power has also increased immensely between the events of Super Saiyan 2 being unlocked and fighting Zamasu.
Personally when I think "Super Saiyan 2 tier", I picture fighters around that powerlevel when the form was unlocked (ie. Gohan, Cell, even Majin Vegeta if you consider him on the higher end of that scale)

Sam Zebrado was saying: What if the green Zamasu was lying all the time...

This might seem out there, but hear me out. What if Zamasu is telling the truth, however it's revealed that even once they begin to overpower Black that Black - like our original Zamasu - gained immortality and cannot be defeated by traditional means. Instead of Trunks and Zamasu fusing being the issue, what if to "seal him away" they then fuse with Black? Maybe the good and bad Zamasu within would cancel one another's sense of morals, allowing for Trunks' good-nature to prevail. IIRC a fusion that involves a Kai is permanent too (ie. Elder Kai)

mAc Chaos was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: DrewSaga was saying: Goku Black should be struggling by now tbh. The whole point of a Max level Kaioken is that it can't be sustained.
Don't worry, the author made it so Zamasu uses Kaioken with absolutely zero drawbacks.
to be fair goku in super basically uses it for free now

neat zamasu technique, this reminds me of fat buu vs kid buu
Oh yeah, Goku also started spamming it.. Well, he spammed it on Namek too without any repercussions, eeeh. I just feel like saying "I'm Zamasu a god so I can do it no problem" is a bit too much.

DrewSaga was saying: Goku Black should be struggling by now tbh. The whole point of a Max level Kaioken is that it can't be sustained.
Don't worry, the author made it so Zamasu uses Kaioken with absolutely zero drawbacks.

Dragon was saying: Black's plan was going to fail anyway, he was targeting humans, but in Universe 11, Jiren is still around, much stronger than Black, in addition to Toppo and the Pride Troopers, it is impossible for Black to win, it is possible that Black has destroyed all the technologies for traveling across dimensions.
Yeah this was always a bit of a head-scratcher among fans, regarding the Pride Troopers in the future Goku Black ravaged, the least of reasons being the Pride Troopers' strengths and Toppo being assigned as his Supreme Kai's bodyguard. My theory is that the Pride Troopers are actually a butterfly effect caused by Trunks traveling to the past in Z. I think that covers about every question regarding how Goku Black and Zamasu would come out of Universe 11 alive and in one piece.

DestroyerOfVegetards was saying: ChrisOfChaos was saying: Black's genocide never made much sense to me. So he went to each universe one by one and killed all Kais (assuming he killed all kais otherwise the survivors would have become Supreme Kai and a new Destroyer would have been elected), and none of the Destroyers or angels tried to stop him?

Sooner or later, the gods will intervene. But they will do so only after a few more timelines have been wiped out by Black, just a typical trope, the people in power don't care until shits start getting seriously out of control. Also, I assume it was due to lack of communication between the gods of the universes. Gods don't appear to get along well with gods from other universes.

Black would never achieve his goal anyway. There were mortals like Broly, Moro, Jiren, Toppo, and even Merus the intern angel who lived and acted like a mortal... these guys would eat Black for breakfast.
If we really wanna go into manga territory, Merus was probably recalled or somehow killed while in a mortal-like state with his repressed power and whatnot while Moro might've been killed before his power could matter again along with the entirety of the Galactic Patrol and their prisons/prisoners. As for the Gods themselves, that 'typical trope' you mentioned does not exist at all, here. I'm sure there was a higher reason why the Grand Priest did not intervene with Goku Black and Zamasu if it wasn't just to keep Zeno from unleashing his rage on the multiverse. I'm sure he'd descend unless things got extremely bad on a cosmic level, in accordance to his status in tandem with the neutrality law Angels must abide by. But both Zamasus definitely disrupted communications among the divine, and since they don't usually communicate regularly like in the usual senses we tend to think about, it's possible their silence wasn't yet seen as suspicious.

We have no confirmation that Gero and 19 didn't show up exactly the same in the original timeline, especially since they were essentially weaker than everyone anyway. All we know for sure is that 17 and 18 killed Gero and Z-Fighters and went on a killing spree, but Trunks mightve not gotten all the details from Gohan or his mom.
Trunks being in the past and affecting everyone changed the course of history (obviously), but not him simply time traveling to that timeline.

Okay so it's a real Future-ish Zamasu. God damn what took him so long?

TheOG was saying: I never did understand the zero mortals plan. Didn't it START with them killing a Kai? Didn't they say they were going to kill the gods too...?
Wasn't it specified in the show and Manga? Zamasu despises how gods operate and how they're not doing anything about mortalsthat's why he planned to be the only one, and kill everyone because he saw Barbarians in U10.
The entire "kill everyone plan" is stupid (as genocide usually is) because why exactly would he want to be the only entity left in the entire multiverse? Killing the other gods I get, or just all mortals, but both?

You know, I also never considered Goku in Zamasus body. Like, we know from their sparing match that they were very close in power. And it's not like Goku forgot martial arts, idk why he went out the way he did. It's not like Zamasu Ginyu'd himself beforehand. I feel like at the moment of the wish, Goku would have been able to survive long enough to go get help, instead of just being like, what? My body? x.x. I mean he can mimic and use techniques that he sees once or twice, he's already been body swapped before he should have realized and adapted sooner.

Grydon was saying:
1. Maybe don’t make a headcanon power tier for a character whose power has not been stated at all? We don’t know if this Cell is weaker or just has different powers thanks to different composition.

2. King Cold’s 4th form is nothing compared to Cell, even if this Cell is somewhat weaker, so that is not a noteworthy feat.. Cold’s fourth form was able to get to #17 & #18 levels, ”maybe even #16” with Ginyu’s years of training. So the Cold Gast defeated was somewhere below even that. In a way, it’s actually quite impressive that Gast is able to go toe to toe with Cell just by training over the years he was doing his travels. Training has rarely resulted in massive power jumps in DB and the more meaningful jumps have come through some sort of multiplier


It's not "headcanon", thank you. It's logical thinking.

This Cell is weaker, as he is already missing several cells: King Cold and Freeza, two exceptionally powerful fighters who also had excessive durability. Whatever Androids he absorbed, assuming he had to absorb any to begin with, likely weren't stronger than U18's androids. Hell, they likely werent even stronger than Future Trunks' androids; Gero had no reason to make them that strong considering Krillin was considered the strongest resistance fighter (Gohan was conidered dead from a young age, unless Bulma specifically lied to Gast... which would make no sense if his survival was common knowledge). All in all, this Cell would literally have zero reason to even come close to the power of U18 cell; the androids were weaker, there was never a super saiyan to analyze, just humans. Even if some odd reason Gero wanted Cell to become way stronger... there's no reason for him to be that strong, on top of that he has nothing to compare it to.


Yes, King Cold is nothing compared to -mainstream- cell. But your logic on headcanon powerscaling works both ways; we dont know how strong this cell is. I only see plenty of reasons why he would be weaker, not why he should be equal or stronger. But King Cold when he appeared was still the strongest opponent that Gast faced. And this was a Gast who did not have any training yet; he came to exist when Freeza appeared, he took out Cooler not long after, and beelined it to King Cold soon after that. This Gast still trained afterwards. And sure, his power might not have increased by that much (which is your headcanon), but it still should have increased. And even without multipliers, timeskips in DB/DBZ still allowed characters to grow a lot in terms of power.


And again, finally... this cell split in 5, reducing his power by 80% for each Cell we see. Even if Cell at max output would be equal or stronger than Gast, theres no way a powercut THAT drastic would hurt Gast by this point. I'll give it some leeway on this being the Kikoho which has extra power due to it taking life energy.. but even then, thats a stretch.

The point remains that if THIS Cell at 20% strength can severely injure or harm Gast or give him a fight, then at 100% this shouldnt have been a contest. On the other hand, if Gast was equal to, or stronger than Cell at 100%, then this shouldnt even tickle him.

I'm sorry, but Super Trunks really really sucks. I miss DBZ Trunks so much. He'd have actually trained and not just been outright cocky like this. I mean, what does he expect? He's going after a guy he barely beat before without the help of two people leagues above himself. Only way Trunks wins here is by Plot Armor.

Ayashi was saying: Considering the Power levels of the three saiyans in canon i don't think Nappa is a good teacher.
Remember that saiyens can be born in a rather wide range of initial power, which imo reflects their natural talent. And.. well:
Raditz, born low class, 1'500ish PL
Vegeta, born high class, 18'000 PL
And of course Nappa himself, born a noble and being (probably) in the 5k range.

IMO it's clear that he coasted entirely on natural talent rather than any actual instruction.

Nappa's power level was 4'000

Considering the Power levels of the three saiyans in canon i don't think Nappa is a good teacher.
Remember that saiyens can be born in a rather wide range of initial power, which imo reflects their natural talent. And.. well:
Raditz, born low class, 1'500ish PL
Vegeta, born high class, 18'000 PL
And of course Nappa himself, born a noble and being (probably) in the 5k range.

IMO it's clear that he coasted entirely on natural talent rather than any actual instruction.

But the real Nappa is too brash and inpatient to be a mentor. He likes to flex on the weak and loses his composure when a strong opponent shows up. I don't think he has the qualities of a mentor.

King Kindred was saying: No. The power gap is very much massive. Trunks himself said this.

Also, Goku Black has always used ki blades. This technique isn't new to him and according to the Zamasu in him he's perfected Kaioken if that's the ability you were talking about.
You're kind of missing my point - if it was truly massive, Goku Black would be able to kill Trunks as effortlessly as Trunks killed Frieza. In fact, he might even do so by accident. I don't doubt that there's a substantial difference in their current power levels, but Trunks took a lot of hits, but nothing that was truly critical or even severe from what we can see. That either means that Goku Black is unable to inflict that kind of injury on Trunks, or that he is choosing not to.

If it's the former, then Trunks can win by just outlasting Goku Black's onslaught until he adjusts to it. If it's the latter, then Goku Black is making a fatal mistake - because if he doesn't successfully kill Trunks, Trunks will make every effort to kill him, and unlike Goku Black, he won't toy around with things like using qi blades to slice up his clothes. I realize that him not killing Trunks outright is a storytelling mechanic, but there are better ways to tell that story than "Trunks is powerless against me right now so watch as I slice up his clothing with qi blades". As the saying goes, never do your enemy a small injury, and that looks like it's all Goku Black is doing here.

In short, I'm giving Goku Black/Zamasu the benefit of the doubt here - because if the power level difference is great enough that he could easily kill Trunks, and he chooses not to, then his current behavior is nothing but foolish hubris.

Wasn't original Cell's regeneration so dangerous because of the Frieza cells allowing him to survive insane hits, plus Piccolo's regen? I'll assume Gero got Piccolo's still, but without Frieza's, this Cell might not be able to endure the same amount of damage

Vash was saying: This Cell lacks real combat experience. Sure it might have some “genetic memory” from the DNA collected, but it's different from actual fighting. The normal timeline Cell had to fight through Piccolo, Androids, Vegeta, Trunks, even before the Cell game. On multiple encounters, Cell was at a disadvantage. This one here is fresh out of the lab.

SSJ2 Your Nick was saying: Something to note about this Cell is, while he lacks Freeza/Cold's DNA, he does have something ours lacks... Gohans.

It's possible he's a loose cannon in the same way, and if pushed he'd essentially go SSJ2/Super Perfect. That rage boost might make him a real challenge, regardless of the Frost Demon DNA.

The normal timeline perfect Cell had Gohan’s DNA from the Saiyan Saga. At the same time they collected DNA from Goku, Vegeta, and Nappa, Piccolo, and other five human Z-fighters. Possibility Saibeman too, which might be where Cell’s self-destruction skill comes from.

The manga actually only specifies Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Freeza and King Cold by name. It also says, “a number of other life forms” but doesn’t specify who/what.
Might be the humans/Gohan’s, might a couple of bugs. We don’t know.

Gohan: kills a member of his team = all good, he's a good kiddo.
Vegeta: kills a member of his team = >:(

The double standards of this page are so heavy that they're almost too realistic!

The art in this is pretty damn good. But man, it's getting harder and harder to handwave some of the glaring flaws in the story away. Trunks doesn't immediately go for the quick kill because he can't tap into the Rage form at will yet? Ok, while that's not how it was in the show as he was shown to go right back into it when he fought Black at some point after Vegeta and Goku left, but for the sake of story we'll just accept this. Plot keeps going, and Trunks goads Black into transforming into his Rose form, and we're left to think it's because Trunks still needed a push to reach his new form, but in a flashback we're told that's not the case, as Whis trained him to master the form. Which means.....WHY didn't Trunks just go for the quick kill here again like he did with all his previous fights against Frieza, Cold, the androids back in his timeline and imperfect Cell?

Art's cool, fight scenes are cool, plot and story are way out in left field somewhere.