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Tombo
20 Dezember
It's nice that it's different. To be honest I was kind of hoping that Gero would've been 'fine' with goku being dead and he would just move forward with the world conquering ambitions of the red ribbon army - which then results in him taking out the z-fighters as they fight back.
I would've preferred it to be a bit more cold and calculated.
This isn't bad either, Gero wasn't particularly mentally stable.
I also always wanted to see a dr.doom/robot scenario where Gero takes over the world but, honestly, for the regular person it's not so bad
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I would've preferred it to be a bit more cold and calculated.
This isn't bad either, Gero wasn't particularly mentally stable.
I also always wanted to see a dr.doom/robot scenario where Gero takes over the world but, honestly, for the regular person it's not so bad
Tombo
20 Dezember
It's nice that it's different. To be honest I was kind of hoping that Gero would've been 'fine' with goku being dead and he would just move forward with the world conquering ambitions of the red ribbon army - which then results in him taking out the z-fighters as they fight back.
I would've preferred it to be a bit more cold and calculated.
This isn't bad either, Gero wasn't particularly mentally stable.
I also always wanted to see a dr.doom/robot scenario where Gero takes over the world but, honestly, for the regular person it's not so bad
DB Multiverse page 2126
I would've preferred it to be a bit more cold and calculated.
This isn't bad either, Gero wasn't particularly mentally stable.
I also always wanted to see a dr.doom/robot scenario where Gero takes over the world but, honestly, for the regular person it's not so bad
Tombo
18 November
I like where this is going. I hope the androids get some fleshing out as they realize they are little fish in a big pond after all.
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Tombo
7 November
Gast will lose - but he is not done yet.
Something needs to happen here that gives Goku some insights into XXIs powers/ability in order for him to have even a chance against XXI.
It's been proven by stronger fighters than Goku that you cannot beat XXI if you go into the fight blind.
There will be some kind of insight, created by Gasts efforts, that will clarify how XXI works which will lead to some kind of opening for Goku to exploit.
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Something needs to happen here that gives Goku some insights into XXIs powers/ability in order for him to have even a chance against XXI.
It's been proven by stronger fighters than Goku that you cannot beat XXI if you go into the fight blind.
There will be some kind of insight, created by Gasts efforts, that will clarify how XXI works which will lead to some kind of opening for Goku to exploit.
Tombo
5 September
LegendaryArte sagte:
PrinceOfTheHood was saying: So Vegito is BUTThurt because Gast stopped him one time before ... ...
I wonder how many People actually realise this -> but Vegito is a Teenager. Same as his Daughter. He is probably just Days or Weeks older - even if he is a Saiyan in an official Adult Body since he was created.
Someone give Vegito a few Senzu Bean Snickers. He is not himself if he is hungry.
Vegetto is only 4 years older than his daughter. He’s 20 years old, barely out of teenagehood. He’s younger than his own sons!
I wonder how many People actually realise this -> but Vegito is a Teenager. Same as his Daughter. He is probably just Days or Weeks older - even if he is a Saiyan in an official Adult Body since he was created.
Someone give Vegito a few Senzu Bean Snickers. He is not himself if he is hungry.
Vegetto is only 4 years older than his daughter. He’s 20 years old, barely out of teenagehood. He’s younger than his own sons!
It's a funny concept, but we know that Vegito is not a 'teenager' simply based on the fact that when he was 'born' he didn't immediately crap his pants and say goo goo gaa gaa at buu.
Tombo
25 August
Bra is not a mary sue, she's just a protagonist.
The reason she is easily forgiven (relatively) is because this is a webcomic that releases three pages per week. If they spent even 3 chapters on exploring the character more and developing that arc a bit you can imagine the amount of complaints in the comments.
She has a normal character arc. She is a what if version of a real character (as are all the others that people don't mind if they get more screentime), She has good reason to be as powerful as she is, she's got issues managing her anger and power (as have many other characters), she has an inferiority complex with good reason, she's doesn't have the outlet the other saiyans have had, she's a child, she got controlled by Majin and did bad stuff (as have many other characters), and she learned a lesson about there being other forms of strength and the comic moved on because people complain if there's 2 pages of people hitting each other in a fighting comic when they just want to 'get back to the story' 1 Antworten
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The reason she is easily forgiven (relatively) is because this is a webcomic that releases three pages per week. If they spent even 3 chapters on exploring the character more and developing that arc a bit you can imagine the amount of complaints in the comments.
She has a normal character arc. She is a what if version of a real character (as are all the others that people don't mind if they get more screentime), She has good reason to be as powerful as she is, she's got issues managing her anger and power (as have many other characters), she has an inferiority complex with good reason, she's doesn't have the outlet the other saiyans have had, she's a child, she got controlled by Majin and did bad stuff (as have many other characters), and she learned a lesson about there being other forms of strength and the comic moved on because people complain if there's 2 pages of people hitting each other in a fighting comic when they just want to 'get back to the story' 1 Antworten
Tombo
9 August 2024
RetroOVER9000 sagte:
I swear to Kami that if this is real and not a vision and the Saiyans from U13 are gone for good I'm going to stop reading for the rest of the year. This is bringing back the feeling when they got rid of Omni Buu for literally ZERO reason other than bad writing. I still think this has to be a vision. But now I'm not so sure, if it's not the placing of this chapter is completely out of place without a few retcons or details they lacked to give to us just yet.
As somebody that leaves DBM for a while from time to time and catches up and recently re-read from the start, I can recommend this in general.
I would say about 80% of the stuff people complain about is almost not a factor if you're able to read at a steady pace and see the build up and conclusions and payoffs.
The page by page method is adding an unwarranted level of importance to each individual page. People argue and interpret each page as if a single comic page (each single page..) can significantly impact or display the direction of the chapter as a whole. So if Kakaditz gets a scuff on a page it means Power scaling is completely off and Kakaditz is super weak and it's wrong! Even if the page right after it shows him laughing it off etc.
The opposite complaint - if you have a page with just blows dealt, people complain that 'nothing happened' on the page and it's filler, or the fight is taking too long (5 pages..)
If you read it in one go you see how silly this is. E
Try to read a single issue of spider-man and do the same level of commentary on every single page...
Even gauging an overarching story chapter by chapter is already overdoing it. Try to do the same level of commentary on every chapter of One-piece and see how often a conclusion of a chapter gets completely answered or countered by the chapter following it.
It can be fun, but sometimes it's a little silly.
Tombo
9 August 2024
AberrantDesign sagte:
Kururun was saying: That's not how it works.
Toriyama has the right to give a random explanation "bad air" and not bother more than that with it. It's not THAT serious. You don't need to examine the rules like it's science or something. "Bad air" is just fine.
You CAN try to rationalize and quantify the rules, or the powerlevels, or anything. But this has two effects: first, it distracts from the main plot (because now it's not just about "Goku and Vegeta are dealing with Buu! What's going to happen?", it's also about "why does the Potara fusion works like that? What's with the Kaioshin and their power to defuse it?"). Second, it means your rules NEED to make sense. Now they're not just there as part of the latest plot twist and turn for more exciting fights and drama, they need to stand up on their own. They have to be good from a purely theoretical, worldbuilding level, and inconsistencies will absolutely destroy this.
DBM's new "Kaioshin can just go poof with his hands to undo the fusion" concept utterly fails at that. In multiple ways: this betrays the characters (old Kaioshin wouldn't be silent about all of this before the fusion or after), the consistency (he didn't do anything about U16 Vegeto) and the overall theme of this subplot ("this is a fusion that cannot be undone! This is a big sacrifice the characters are making! .... well, it would be except it's just the Kaioshin not telling them anything, lmao" - this is different from the "bad air" accident by the way, bad air ended up being a weird coincidence they couldn't foresee, but Kaioshin was supposed to KNOW this wasn't a permanent sacrifice if done right).
I can agree on some levels, but it's complicated. Regardless, thanks for continuing this with me, it's fun to think about
While Toriyama has every right to not explain something in his story, I wanted to call attention to the fact that the writers of DBM are only getting stuck with trying to come up with an explanation for how it happened because of the plot hole he decided not to address in the first place besides "Weird, must be some bad air".
I've never been a fan of the "Bad air" explanation regardless. While Deus Ex Machina gets thrown around a lot, I feel like "There's some strange gas inside of Buu that undoes Potara fusion but not Metamoran fusion" breaks any suspension of disbelief way more than Elder Kai not remembering that he can undo fusions. Also, even if that explanation stuck, that means Potara isn't a commitment anymore regardless since Buu can just absorb them to undo the fusion anyway. "Bad Air" was a real low point in the Buu Arc's storytelling
If anything though, I do agree the rules need to stand on their own for "Kais can undo Potara". It makes sense that Shin and Kibito wouldn't know since they weren't even aware of Potara Fusion at the time. A potential way this plot hole could still be patched is if they state that Elder Kai learned the Unfusing technique from one of the other Kais at the tournament (Who in DBM, canonically know the technique in order to have used it inside Buu). That would explain why none of the Elder Kais proposed defusing Vegito after the fight.
Obviously I'm not one of the writers though, so I can't declare this as canon, just as a potential theory for it to still work. Although I admit, I'm not sure when specifically he would've talked about it with them. Most of his time in the story has been spent awakening Raditz' potential, so there's a very small window where he could've talked to them. He's telepathic, so maybe he had a chat with them during the ritual?
Toriyama has the right to give a random explanation "bad air" and not bother more than that with it. It's not THAT serious. You don't need to examine the rules like it's science or something. "Bad air" is just fine.
You CAN try to rationalize and quantify the rules, or the powerlevels, or anything. But this has two effects: first, it distracts from the main plot (because now it's not just about "Goku and Vegeta are dealing with Buu! What's going to happen?", it's also about "why does the Potara fusion works like that? What's with the Kaioshin and their power to defuse it?"). Second, it means your rules NEED to make sense. Now they're not just there as part of the latest plot twist and turn for more exciting fights and drama, they need to stand up on their own. They have to be good from a purely theoretical, worldbuilding level, and inconsistencies will absolutely destroy this.
DBM's new "Kaioshin can just go poof with his hands to undo the fusion" concept utterly fails at that. In multiple ways: this betrays the characters (old Kaioshin wouldn't be silent about all of this before the fusion or after), the consistency (he didn't do anything about U16 Vegeto) and the overall theme of this subplot ("this is a fusion that cannot be undone! This is a big sacrifice the characters are making! .... well, it would be except it's just the Kaioshin not telling them anything, lmao" - this is different from the "bad air" accident by the way, bad air ended up being a weird coincidence they couldn't foresee, but Kaioshin was supposed to KNOW this wasn't a permanent sacrifice if done right).
I can agree on some levels, but it's complicated. Regardless, thanks for continuing this with me, it's fun to think about
While Toriyama has every right to not explain something in his story, I wanted to call attention to the fact that the writers of DBM are only getting stuck with trying to come up with an explanation for how it happened because of the plot hole he decided not to address in the first place besides "Weird, must be some bad air".
I've never been a fan of the "Bad air" explanation regardless. While Deus Ex Machina gets thrown around a lot, I feel like "There's some strange gas inside of Buu that undoes Potara fusion but not Metamoran fusion" breaks any suspension of disbelief way more than Elder Kai not remembering that he can undo fusions. Also, even if that explanation stuck, that means Potara isn't a commitment anymore regardless since Buu can just absorb them to undo the fusion anyway. "Bad Air" was a real low point in the Buu Arc's storytelling
If anything though, I do agree the rules need to stand on their own for "Kais can undo Potara". It makes sense that Shin and Kibito wouldn't know since they weren't even aware of Potara Fusion at the time. A potential way this plot hole could still be patched is if they state that Elder Kai learned the Unfusing technique from one of the other Kais at the tournament (Who in DBM, canonically know the technique in order to have used it inside Buu). That would explain why none of the Elder Kais proposed defusing Vegito after the fight.
Obviously I'm not one of the writers though, so I can't declare this as canon, just as a potential theory for it to still work. Although I admit, I'm not sure when specifically he would've talked about it with them. Most of his time in the story has been spent awakening Raditz' potential, so there's a very small window where he could've talked to them. He's telepathic, so maybe he had a chat with them during the ritual?
My take was always that the fusion didn't take because Vegeta was dead and it happening inside Buu was more or less a coincidence. It made more sense to me that Elder Kai wouldn't know because they probably never fused a living and dead being before.
Super does it alright imo also. Saying it's permanent for Kais, but not mortals. This one does leave the door open regarding the old Witch where the assumption must be made she wasn't actually mortal..
Being able to 'undo' the fusion doesn't make sense. Even if we ignore Elder kai not just telling Goku and Vegeta they 'better be fast before the fusion is permanent!' - the point of the fusion is that it's the Potaras doing that, not the Kai themselves. So why would they be able to just change it..
Oh well. Still wondering where this will go.
Tombo
7 August 2024
Wondering where this will go, I'm assuming if they get sent back we might still get a bonus comic about what happens in their universe. I think we've all been excited about Raditz becoming 'relevant' power wise - but I think that was always going to be unrealistic considering his defined limitations. I have to say, the art has been very dynamic this chapter
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Tombo
1 April 2024
I hope this is an indication of Yamcha being better because he's a martial artist and not just because he's stronger than we think
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Tombo
5 März 2024
Füchsin sagte:
WukongTheMighty was saying:
Yamcha is on his own not as powerful as a Cell Games era Cell Junior, requiring team-work to defeat. A Cell Games Era Cell Junior is Mastered Super Saiyan tier. Yamcha is probably just slightly over Semi-Perfect level,
Nah, it was a majin augmented Cell Junior, so he should be a good deal more powerful than he was at the Cell Games.
Yamcha is on his own not as powerful as a Cell Games era Cell Junior, requiring team-work to defeat. A Cell Games Era Cell Junior is Mastered Super Saiyan tier. Yamcha is probably just slightly over Semi-Perfect level,
Nah, it was a majin augmented Cell Junior, so he should be a good deal more powerful than he was at the Cell Games.
Majin augmented is not the main caveat here, it's the fact that Cell is way stronger than he was during the cell games, so his cell juniors would also be. 1 Antworten
Tombo
5 März 2024
Super Gojita 3 sagte:
@salagir
Could you elaborate on the "time stop" aspect of ikls powers?
is time really stopped? or whats the deal? how does the time stop effect some things and not others?
Gohanisthebest was saying: The sentence structure on the bottom panel is wrong it should say (I am strong enough to defeat you.) not (You, I am strong enough to defeat.)
now to be fair, ikl did say his diction was lacking, so of course he would have some issues with his speech mannerisms.
Could you elaborate on the "time stop" aspect of ikls powers?
is time really stopped? or whats the deal? how does the time stop effect some things and not others?
Gohanisthebest was saying: The sentence structure on the bottom panel is wrong it should say (I am strong enough to defeat you.) not (You, I am strong enough to defeat.)
now to be fair, ikl did say his diction was lacking, so of course he would have some issues with his speech mannerisms.
sentence structure works fine btw.
It's in context of the previous sentence.
*android 16 can still move?
'No matter'
'You, I am strong enough to defeat'
Emphasis on YOU to indicate that 16 specifically she can beat in fair combat. Could also work the other way around 'No Matter. I am strong enough to defeat YOU'
Both work, but the original sentence actually works better by making the emphasis clearer to the reader. 1 Antworten
Tombo
10 November 2023
Dislpay name sagte:
The art isn't good, i am repeating myself at this point but seriously: Asura needs to stop using fancy glitter bullshit and practice the basics. It saddens me that this happens to every artist i see online and if i would go down the art path i would probably make the same mistake as all of them, i just want to see some good art :(
There is not a world in the universe where this could be considered bad art.
Tombo
8 November 2023
Still surprises me every page that people are complaining that the fight doesn't end mid-chapter.
We're talking one chapter of the fight of the main character and one of the fan favourite characters where they showcased new skills and their grit and determination that shows why they are still contenders in the multiverse of insane competitors.
Even if it's not the fight you've been looking forward to and you want to move on - you must realise they aren't going to shorten this fight to a section of a chapter and move on? It wouldn't be fair on the people that have been looking forward to this fight for years.
Enjoy the insane art, the fact that you can read this amazing fan comic and come back in a few months if you still haven't realised that the pacing of the comic only feels slow because of the release schedule.
Read it all in one go and you'll remember that a manga/comic chapter is usually read through in 5-10 minutes and all of a sudden the pacing won't feel so slow.
Like people are rushing for this project to be over - enjoy it whilst it lasts.
DB Multiverse page 2265
We're talking one chapter of the fight of the main character and one of the fan favourite characters where they showcased new skills and their grit and determination that shows why they are still contenders in the multiverse of insane competitors.
Even if it's not the fight you've been looking forward to and you want to move on - you must realise they aren't going to shorten this fight to a section of a chapter and move on? It wouldn't be fair on the people that have been looking forward to this fight for years.
Enjoy the insane art, the fact that you can read this amazing fan comic and come back in a few months if you still haven't realised that the pacing of the comic only feels slow because of the release schedule.
Read it all in one go and you'll remember that a manga/comic chapter is usually read through in 5-10 minutes and all of a sudden the pacing won't feel so slow.
Like people are rushing for this project to be over - enjoy it whilst it lasts.
Tombo
1 November 2023
Shabby sagte:
ZenBuu was saying: "this is goddamm Goku vs Vegeta, so we take our time!"
So you have to deal with that, guys. ;P
I love the story when it's developing. It just hasn't really developed in a dozen or more pages
I, just as eagerly as you, check the site on publish days.
And fanbases of every story always have expectations. None really have the "right."
I'll be back Wednesday afternoon, I'll be hoping for a conclusion, or something dynamic, just like every release day.
So you have to deal with that, guys. ;P
I love the story when it's developing. It just hasn't really developed in a dozen or more pages
I, just as eagerly as you, check the site on publish days.
And fanbases of every story always have expectations. None really have the "right."
I'll be back Wednesday afternoon, I'll be hoping for a conclusion, or something dynamic, just like every release day.
Put this in the context of any other manga or comic serialization and you should be able to tell that it's an unreasonable expectation you are setting. If the story needs to develop within '12 pages' for you to consider it adding anything - you might be surprised to learn a lot of manga and comics have full 23 page chapters with no 'story development' at all. some in fact have fights that last multiple chapters.
Your conclusion is correct though, come back after a few months. Binge the chapter in 5 minutes and comment to say if it feels too slow or not.
Tombo
21 September 2023
zero logic sagte:
Soooooo, this form was supposed to maximize their potential, ki control, bla bla bla and now is fading away???? Ok...
How different is it from SSJ3 then? Isn't that time limited as well?
Zzzz
How different is it from SSJ3 then? Isn't that time limited as well?
Zzzz
Excellent name. Fits post. 2 Antworten
Tombo
7 September 2023
vegeta flew up, has his hand pointing below him and is blasting downwards towards goku. Goku is not blocking the attack, instead he is planning on 'ripping it in half' and passing through it.
my take on it at least.
DB Multiverse page 2238
my take on it at least.
Tombo
3 August 2023
Triz sagte:
Krillin in the 3rd panel looks like he has a pencil mustache. Lol it took me a bit to figure out that was his mouth.
didn't see it.
Now can't unsee it lmao
Tombo
3 Juli 2023
MadameJadeK sagte:
SuperSaiyan4Vegetto was saying: Hmm, my money is on Giran. Goku won because he's stronger AND the nimbus cloud saved him.
If Giran wins this, it'll be for the joke where all of the MCs get eliminated in the first round.
Yamcha has a nose so isn't immune to Bacterian.
Roshi is perhaps UNIQUELY vulnerable to Lan-Fan
Krillin doesn't have as many saves as Goku so Giran tosses him out.
And Gohan, seeing that his pupil is out and he no longer needs to teach him a lesson, concedes to Namu.
As for who would win the tournament overall, I think the final would be Giran vs Namu. We have no reason to think that Giran would be swayed by Lan-Fan, and I believe in Namu's discipline in resisting Bacterian's uh... "techniques" and beating him quickly.
So then the question comes down to whether Namu can defeat Giran.
If Giran wins this, it'll be for the joke where all of the MCs get eliminated in the first round.
Yamcha has a nose so isn't immune to Bacterian.
Roshi is perhaps UNIQUELY vulnerable to Lan-Fan
Krillin doesn't have as many saves as Goku so Giran tosses him out.
And Gohan, seeing that his pupil is out and he no longer needs to teach him a lesson, concedes to Namu.
As for who would win the tournament overall, I think the final would be Giran vs Namu. We have no reason to think that Giran would be swayed by Lan-Fan, and I believe in Namu's discipline in resisting Bacterian's uh... "techniques" and beating him quickly.
So then the question comes down to whether Namu can defeat Giran.
This would be pretty interesting actually. A good way to do it.
Tombo
5 Juni 2023
It's good. It's an exploration of what Roshi was actually doing when trying to get ladies. It's funny and it's actually less bad than OG DB (and super) because here he's trying stuff and getting shut down as opposed to actually fondling and peeping underaged girls..
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Tombo
2 Juni 2023
Vegetax18 sagte:
I feel like dbm is making Roshi more perverted than he actually is Lmaoo
no. he's pretty bad 1 Antworten
Tombo
17 Mai 2023
DrewSaga sagte:
Raza was saying: 100 push ups 100 sit ups 100 squats and a 10km run every single day!!!!!
And plenty of juice.
Jokes aside it's crazy and funny that OPM has a workout routine that's about equal to mine IRL (though I need days off once in a while) but he is herculean and can beat anything (supposedly, I admit, I know jack and squat about OPM anime) with one punch. Is it cause he is "Bald this way"? They could have written it to something crazy like "He does 1 Million Pushups, 1 Million Situps, 1 Million Squats and 10 Million km runs every day" but instead OPM has a modest workout routine while Vegeta trains in 400G and shit that would flatten any regular person like a pancake.
And plenty of juice.
Jokes aside it's crazy and funny that OPM has a workout routine that's about equal to mine IRL (though I need days off once in a while) but he is herculean and can beat anything (supposedly, I admit, I know jack and squat about OPM anime) with one punch. Is it cause he is "Bald this way"? They could have written it to something crazy like "He does 1 Million Pushups, 1 Million Situps, 1 Million Squats and 10 Million km runs every day" but instead OPM has a modest workout routine while Vegeta trains in 400G and shit that would flatten any regular person like a pancake.
Well his workout routine being so minor is the joke.
Tombo
10 Mai 2023
Of course goku is going to win. He's got like a foot of reach advantage on Vegeta
DB Multiverse page 2190
Tombo
31 März 2023
newhinhin sagte:
If all this were done by a second, how slow were all other people until now? How could the audience even follow the matches?
It's not a matter of being too fast. Fighters in Dragonball started using ki-sensing to follow fights too fast for the eyes to see way back in dragonball.
It's a matter of not leaking any Ki. They are not leaking Ki, meaning people cannot sense their ki and cannot 'see' them.
There's an argument to be made that a lot more people could see them if they realise they need to be using their eyes instead of trying to follow their KI like they are used to doing. This could be why Bra was able to follow only the latter part of the match. Could not follow with Ki, realised she had to use her eyes, fight is already almost over in the time it took her to realise that. 1 Antworten
Tombo
30 März 2023
LordTyn sagte:
After image doesn't make a lot of sense anymore. The original premise behind was that you're moving so fast it leaves an image of you behind. At some point that should have been the standard for all combat considering how much faster everyone got, so it's no mystery why it was eventually abandoned in the manga/show.
It's cool and I enjoy it. Zero complaints, just wanted to mention a piece I had a thought about.
It's cool and I enjoy it. Zero complaints, just wanted to mention a piece I had a thought about.
After image makes perfect sense. The reason after image went out of style is because ki-sensing became the norm.
People used Ki to follow their opponents, not their eyes - meaning after image was useless.
In this form they are not leaking any ki (which is why a lot of people cannot follow them) - with no ki leaking fighters must rely on their eyes. Which means After Image is relevant again. 1 Antworten
Tombo
6 März 2023
Hector Fenwick sagte:
The last panel doesn't make sense. Unless you meant, "Why do you think I'll give you time?"
He's implying Goku developed and plans to use this new power despite this limitation under the assumption Vegeta would give him time to use it.
Tombo
16 Februar 2023
Mary Bra sagte:
Am I missing something? Why would Trunks be so scared of Broly? His only encounter with him, they beat him after a struggle. They had more trouble with Cell who also killed him. Yet his reaction to Cell was "Oh Cell, that sucks" while he's over here losing his shit because of Broly.
Two reasons I'd say.
1. Trunks knows Cell had limits that were surpassed by Gohan and that he has now also surpassed. Even if Broly was beaten, he was not really surpassed and only getting stronger.
2. Cell still has composure. He created his own tournament, there's every reason to believe he would play along within the tournament setting. Broly there's no reason to believe he wouldn't just start blasting everybody and everything.
but also they just think Broly is cooler than cell
Tombo
12 Januar 2023
You'd think they'd have some entertainment for the fighters, or would let them free-roam the cantina, practice, gym or the apts etc
It's weird to just see trunks sitting around waiting for hours, and he wasn't even the first one there..
DB Multiverse page 2137
It's weird to just see trunks sitting around waiting for hours, and he wasn't even the first one there..
Tombo
15 Dezember 2022
Rules per dragon differ - it's proven in canon that the reach of a wish can be made broader in exchange for the wish's potency
More wishes = less people ressurected for each wish etc
It's been highlighted in the thread, but the 1 resurrections per person was changed and than reverted when Dende recreated the dragon (consequence of having two wishes)
All that to say that there is no certainty as to what rules the dragonballs in the tournament follow.
Also - There is no reason for Trunks to be fully aware of all the rules surrounding even his own dragonballs. Unless we all assume Bulma told him all about them, and even then she would know there are multiple sets of rules (namekian vs earth dragon balls) based on who created the dragon.
DB Multiverse page 2121
More wishes = less people ressurected for each wish etc
It's been highlighted in the thread, but the 1 resurrections per person was changed and than reverted when Dende recreated the dragon (consequence of having two wishes)
All that to say that there is no certainty as to what rules the dragonballs in the tournament follow.
Also - There is no reason for Trunks to be fully aware of all the rules surrounding even his own dragonballs. Unless we all assume Bulma told him all about them, and even then she would know there are multiple sets of rules (namekian vs earth dragon balls) based on who created the dragon.
Tombo
28 November 2022
The Big Gete Star sagte:
Oh that's a surprising development
It's kinda awkward dialogue, having XXI make a wish, then Shenron goes "that won't work, you're fucked lmao," only to jump to XXI making another wish that presumably goes through. Maybe this Shenron has a personal stake in the victory of this tournament, but if that were the case, you'd think he'd care more that XXI has apparently hit a wall in his eyes. Ah well, we'll see soon.
It's kinda awkward dialogue, having XXI make a wish, then Shenron goes "that won't work, you're fucked lmao," only to jump to XXI making another wish that presumably goes through. Maybe this Shenron has a personal stake in the victory of this tournament, but if that were the case, you'd think he'd care more that XXI has apparently hit a wall in his eyes. Ah well, we'll see soon.
Maybe he enslaved the dragon wish genie style and the dragon is obligated to grant wished, but not particularly keen to help is captor.
Tombo
16 November 2022
Interesting, would've loved to see the fight - but it makes sense.
She knows Gast managed to control Vegito who she sees as the god of her universe.
She is completely rattled by her majin turn.
DB Multiverse page 2106
She knows Gast managed to control Vegito who she sees as the god of her universe.
She is completely rattled by her majin turn.
Tombo
10 November 2022
MysticVegito sagte:
vwishmwahuul was saying: Gosh darn it? What, is Bra 6? Is Vegito’s swear jar so bad she doesn’t even think bad words? All she needs is a habit and to apologize for the horrible words she just thought.
Yeah, considering she called her father a dickhead once https://w...730.html#h_read
Saying Fuck on one occasion https://w...741.html#h_read
And calling one of the Heliots a Retard https://w...881.html#h_read
This whole Gosh Darnit shtick is so jarring. But since is a whole new, ultra nice, totally blameless Bra we're talking about, so it's a pass i guess shrug
Yeah, considering she called her father a dickhead once https://w...730.html#h_read
Saying Fuck on one occasion https://w...741.html#h_read
And calling one of the Heliots a Retard https://w...881.html#h_read
This whole Gosh Darnit shtick is so jarring. But since is a whole new, ultra nice, totally blameless Bra we're talking about, so it's a pass i guess shrug
Come on guys. It's not that Bra doesn't swear - it's that Gast in her mind wouldn't swear. It's a joke about how Bra perceives Gast.
Seriously dudes
Tombo
20 Oktober 2022
Platinum sagte:
SlenderCell was saying: ShadowMokujin was saying: Platinum was saying: Lmao, Salagir using Pan as the Audience Mouthpiece.
Well, in-universe I could see Pan as the type to hold a grudge actually.
Bra can swallow it.
Pan knows she is evil now and like vegeto she is not believing that mind control B's
Maybe probably
You do realize Vegeta and Buu killed way more people than she did yet both got forgiven. Besides we all know Vegito is gonna be the bigger monster.
Vegeta and Buu killed more but for the umpteenth time, in Vegeta's case he was raised by evil people in a culture that glorified violence and mayhem, then got kidnapped and had to work for another evil person and do the same.
Bra is a spoiled brat surrounded by love and virtuous people. Stop comparing her to Vegeta.
And the icing on the cake is, Vegeta ALWAYS got humiliated in a fight. Or at least, most of the time.
Buu was created to do evil. And it's complicated because you can make a case that Kid Buu is not the same as Fat Buu, and that Fat Buu is child-like and only listening to Babidi, etc.
I'm not going to argue mindlessly over either.
The facts are, Bra has no excuse being such a jerk BEFORE she was even Majinized.
It's like the stuff about Vegeta never gets through to you people. How many times do you need it spelled out that the comparison is a farce?
We even got bullsh*t that Vegito is somehow abusive out of nowhere in some desperate attempt to make her a victim.
How you gonna be calling your abuser names if he's so scary? Lmao Wut?
Well, in-universe I could see Pan as the type to hold a grudge actually.
Bra can swallow it.
Pan knows she is evil now and like vegeto she is not believing that mind control B's
Maybe probably
You do realize Vegeta and Buu killed way more people than she did yet both got forgiven. Besides we all know Vegito is gonna be the bigger monster.
Vegeta and Buu killed more but for the umpteenth time, in Vegeta's case he was raised by evil people in a culture that glorified violence and mayhem, then got kidnapped and had to work for another evil person and do the same.
Bra is a spoiled brat surrounded by love and virtuous people. Stop comparing her to Vegeta.
And the icing on the cake is, Vegeta ALWAYS got humiliated in a fight. Or at least, most of the time.
Buu was created to do evil. And it's complicated because you can make a case that Kid Buu is not the same as Fat Buu, and that Fat Buu is child-like and only listening to Babidi, etc.
I'm not going to argue mindlessly over either.
The facts are, Bra has no excuse being such a jerk BEFORE she was even Majinized.
It's like the stuff about Vegeta never gets through to you people. How many times do you need it spelled out that the comparison is a farce?
We even got bullsh*t that Vegito is somehow abusive out of nowhere in some desperate attempt to make her a victim.
How you gonna be calling your abuser names if he's so scary? Lmao Wut?
This seems short sighted to me.
The bond between a parent and child is biologically overwhelming. Real kids that get abused by their parents always still love their parents and call for them when in need. That's what makes it so heartbreaking.
In Bras case you do have a couple of factors working together to explain her being a jerk.
1. She's more saiyan in temperament compared to the other hybrids. In DBM (like og DBZ) Saiyans are bloodthirsty battlefocused jerks. There is no proud scientist loving father in DBM like you have in DBS. It is nature, not simply nurture when it comes to saiyans.
2. Vegito hasn't raised her as a daughter - but more like a rival. He wants a good fight out of her. I don't think this means he doesn't care about her, but from Bra's perspective Vegito's approval is based on her strength and is not unconditional.
The two work together relatively straightforward into a child that wants to gain her fathers approval by proving she is the strongest. This is enforced with Bravado, ego and temper tantrums when things don't go so well. She was a child and now a teenager after all.
When she does lose control, vegito acts in a way that is natural - but also completely incorrect when it comes to raising stable children. With Violence to teach her a lesson.
Being raised and surrounded by love and virtuous people also works against her in some sense. She has no real pushback or support to work through her emotional issues, with Gohan and Piccolo being quite positive and supportive in words but leaving to live their own lives.
She also doesn't have any real battles to test her strength against. All saiyans were able to work through their battlelust in actual battle - In her Universe Vegito has it all covered and she's all pent up with high expectations and love that is based on her strength with no real opponent to fight that she doesn't care about.
All that being said - I think Pans behaviour makes sense. Yes Bra was mind controlled and, in universe, the characters understand it this way (meaning whatever your opinion on it is, it is true mind control) - but Pan is a child still too, the experience was horrifying regardless.
Bra's reaction shows she understands this and she still feels guilt - which will hopefully translate in her being able to let go of her unhealthy need to be the strongest to please her father and instead focus on strength for her own sake.
Tombo
23 August 2022
foo sagte:
Beni-Kujaku was saying: foo was saying: Is buu really doing nothing but teaching him candy beam the whole time?
Candy beam is basically the whole of Buu's innate magic, so the only thing he can teach Uub. Uub didn't absorb magicians over the years after all. And "candy beam" can change anything into anything else, that's obscenely strong and versatile, with the only downside being that an opponent can dodge the beam.Uub pretty much already had the candy beam down from Santa Buu's dream gift. Uub asked him to make him the greatest magician of all time, not simply help him master one ranged attack he more or less already knew. And yes, candy beam is nice for making food, but as an attack, it's pointless since just about anyone slow enough to get hit by it would equally be killed by any old regular ki blast. What buu could be teaching him is how to heal or revive people, teleportation, dimensional and time travel, binding and sealing spells, immortality, dividing his consciousness and multiplying (somehow), telekinesis, telepathy, clairvoyance... really anything at all besides boring old candy beam.
Candy beam is basically the whole of Buu's innate magic, so the only thing he can teach Uub. Uub didn't absorb magicians over the years after all. And "candy beam" can change anything into anything else, that's obscenely strong and versatile, with the only downside being that an opponent can dodge the beam.Uub pretty much already had the candy beam down from Santa Buu's dream gift. Uub asked him to make him the greatest magician of all time, not simply help him master one ranged attack he more or less already knew. And yes, candy beam is nice for making food, but as an attack, it's pointless since just about anyone slow enough to get hit by it would equally be killed by any old regular ki blast. What buu could be teaching him is how to heal or revive people, teleportation, dimensional and time travel, binding and sealing spells, immortality, dividing his consciousness and multiplying (somehow), telekinesis, telepathy, clairvoyance... really anything at all besides boring old candy beam.
Seems nitpicky.
Assuming the candy beam has no value besides candy is a stretch since Buu seems to be able to choose what he transforms anything into, it may be candy is just his choice and Uub will be able to transform stuff into anything once he gets it down. In battle it might be 'slow' (fast enough to hit a weakened fat buu) but it appears to be harder to block compared to other beams.
As far as you know the candy beam is the starter spell to learn about majins innate power - which might just be molecular transformation and the rest of the lessons would extend through years of schooling.
It's been a couple of days at this point.
Tombo
12 August 2022
The weird thing is Kami wasn't particularly pure in DB. He had his errors in judgment - fear and anger.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 203
Tombo
7 Juli 2022
Kuma sagte:
chstar was saying: 2 Pages ago Vegito states "Ok, the others are following along..." before using this devastating technique against buu. Which we see performing quite well. If this attack is so all powerful why did Vegito feel it was necessary that the others were "following along," before utilizing it? It seems like he could have done this from the beginning?
maybe it doesn't destroy all of buu
and he need the other to help destroy the rest
maybe it doesn't destroy all of buu
and he need the other to help destroy the rest
that was my guess last page. He does major damage - needs everybody to help blast the remaining pieces like piccolo tried after majin vegeta splattered fat buu.
Result may be an exact call back with the smoke rising above the arena.
Tombo
4 Juli 2022
For the following along I think it just means everybody is trying to use the disintigration technique.
I think the plan might be to do a mass disintegration, forcing Buu to retain a single (or at least be less spread out) body and then have everybody hammer the 'main' body with the technique. Which I'm guessing will result in it not actually be the main body
DB Multiverse page 2053
I think the plan might be to do a mass disintegration, forcing Buu to retain a single (or at least be less spread out) body and then have everybody hammer the 'main' body with the technique. Which I'm guessing will result in it not actually be the main body
Tombo
16 Juni 2022
Majunia sagte:
Unlike dumb Vegetto, Vegeta went straight to SSJ3.
WukongTheMighty was saying: Buu comes off too much like a generic overpowered author insert lolrandumb character for my liking. He's a bit like Deadpool, a character who was once amusing but quickly became overplayed through his continued antics. For chrissakes Buu even directly addresses the audience at the start of this chapter. A character who never struggles with no motivations other than wanting to have fun is in short a very boring character.
Sure, some of the gags are amusing but the story is suffering from tonal whiplash at every other moment thanks to him.
The sooner he's out of the story for good, the better.
The reason why I call him "Deadbool"...and yes, this is getting boring.
WukongTheMighty was saying: Buu comes off too much like a generic overpowered author insert lolrandumb character for my liking. He's a bit like Deadpool, a character who was once amusing but quickly became overplayed through his continued antics. For chrissakes Buu even directly addresses the audience at the start of this chapter. A character who never struggles with no motivations other than wanting to have fun is in short a very boring character.
Sure, some of the gags are amusing but the story is suffering from tonal whiplash at every other moment thanks to him.
The sooner he's out of the story for good, the better.
The reason why I call him "Deadbool"...and yes, this is getting boring.
Not sure how you could be bored with it when this is the first time you can see him go full out and you know there will be a moment where Buu's 'tourney' ends and Vegito takes over. He won't be invincible, we just don't know how yet.
Comparing to deadpool is fine, but deadpool has had around 725 (not counting cameos and special editions) full 32 page comic books starring him. (thats more than 23k pages)
Not sure how Buu who probably only has at most 100 pages staring him in this entire webcomic is at a comparable level of 'overdone'...
Tombo
9 Mai 2022
Teleported_Bread sagte:
Jubjub was saying: Ok, with all due respect, this has gotten seriously stupid. He's quite literally the reason they're in this mess in the first place.
Even if there's no ill-will, how can they say something so asinine as, "we'll die to protect you"?
Such dumb
Dude, he was being a Namekian, peaceful and merciful. That kindness and care for life and the selfless determination to show it would have influenced anyone else. Not only that, it's one thing to expect someone else to return while hostile intent but there's no way anyone could have foreseen a planet-wide cataclysm. How could you be so shallow?
Even if there's no ill-will, how can they say something so asinine as, "we'll die to protect you"?
Such dumb
Dude, he was being a Namekian, peaceful and merciful. That kindness and care for life and the selfless determination to show it would have influenced anyone else. Not only that, it's one thing to expect someone else to return while hostile intent but there's no way anyone could have foreseen a planet-wide cataclysm. How could you be so shallow?
nah, jubjub would've seen it coming and prevented all of this for sure if he was the saichoro
Tombo
19 April 2022
Super Gojita 3 sagte:
Michelrpg was saying: Im going to go on a limb here, and say that Shenron did as much as he possibly could to bring Kami close to his true power; he brought Kami to his physical prime, and he did the same for King Piccolo. However, since the Dragon can't end a person's life in any way, he simply brought King Piccolo over to the lookout, where Kami and he would have to decide on fusing or not.
WillLuigi was saying:
"My full capabilities of yonder" is what the English translation of the wish seems to be. Kami also seemed to be aware that the wording of this wish would affect King Piccolo in some way due to his dialog directly after "I'm not complete... the rest... depends on you."
It wasnt Kami who said "the rest depends on you", it was Shenron talking to Kami (look at the bottom right of the textbox)
When was it said the dragon can't kill someone? he can't kill a person stronger than kami. choutzu even tried to use shenron to kill piccolo and it failed because piccolo killed choutzu before he could finish the wish.
he then cited after killing shenron "now there is nothing that can kill me" (except goku, kami and the freeza force, but thats besides the point"
He killed shenron so the db's could never be used against him.
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piccolo was worried about the dragon killing him.
later we see shenron cite he can't kill someone stronger than kami.
WillLuigi was saying:
"My full capabilities of yonder" is what the English translation of the wish seems to be. Kami also seemed to be aware that the wording of this wish would affect King Piccolo in some way due to his dialog directly after "I'm not complete... the rest... depends on you."
It wasnt Kami who said "the rest depends on you", it was Shenron talking to Kami (look at the bottom right of the textbox)
When was it said the dragon can't kill someone? he can't kill a person stronger than kami. choutzu even tried to use shenron to kill piccolo and it failed because piccolo killed choutzu before he could finish the wish.
he then cited after killing shenron "now there is nothing that can kill me" (except goku, kami and the freeza force, but thats besides the point"
He killed shenron so the db's could never be used against him.
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piccolo was worried about the dragon killing him.
later we see shenron cite he can't kill someone stronger than kami.
to be fair, King Piccolo only knows about the dragonballs from the Pilaf gang, so it's fair to assume he has no memory of Namek, the balls or the limitation of them (especially the earth balls).
He may only think it could kill him because he assumes there are no limitations and Chioatzu believed it would work. There's every chance the dragon would just say 'lmao, can't do that' after Chioatzu made his wish,. 1 Antworten
Tombo
18 April 2022
Ammar sagte:
Zol was saying: Hello my dear comrades, I came from the Brazilian section looking for answers
Some of us from the Brazilian section are confused by the events of the last 3 pages and that's why I decided to come personally and ask some questions for you from the gringa section, so that maybe some moderator or even the artist of this special can answer our doubts, so without further ado:
1 : Who exactly freed Piccolo damaioh? Shenron or Kami Sama? I initially thought it was Kami sama, as Kami sama's wish didn't include piccolo damaioh (or so I thought?) in the wish, he only asked to restore his old-time abilities, but even then the page, because of the 2020 page: https://w...020.html#h_read Shenlong says "the rest.... depends on you...." And his eyes sparkle like he's got another wish ( wtf?) then Piccolo Damaioh appears without the rice cooker that imprisoned him, from what the pages suggest, Shenron somehow freed Piccolo damaioh, but that doesn't make sense, as Kami's wish didn't include Piccolo in it and I don't I can't imagine Shenron playing the Wish any other way than Kami becoming young, I can't say it was Kami Sama (or Mr popo) Freeing Piccolo Damaioh, because that's not what the pages imply, if Repair Kami Sama looks like it surprised to see Piccolo Damaioh (wtf?) and there's something else that bothers even more
2 : Why the hell is Piccolo Damaioh young? You could say it was because of Kami Sama's wish, but Kami sama's wish only included himself (https://w...019.html#h_read) and not Piccolo , btw "They were the same person before, so that's why Piccolo got young again" Not a valid excuse, Piccolo Damaioh in classic dragon ball made the same request and even then, only he got young, Kami Sama remained old as ever, it makes no sense to be different in dbm, even in an alternate universe
"It can be explained in future pages" I know that, that's why I asked a moderator of the Brazilian section about what is happening, after all they have the pages with early access and if it was any important spoiler (or something that would be explained) he could at least tell me what the hell is going on, but he was also confused, he didn't know why Piccolo was young, to have an idea he thought that Kami Sama made 2 wishes to shenron and that's why Piccolo was free (which I I can't believe it, because Kami sama himself seems surprised on this page and we don't see him make the second wish) and that Piccolo Damaioh has already asked to be young before (in this universe and in universe 9 too, after all they are the same universe) This confused me, as it created unnecessary changes to the story, but it was the only valid explanation (which doesn't contradict the manga's canon at least), so I opened up two possibilities
1 : Piccolo damaioh already freed before, but was imprisoned by mafuba again, in the meantime he asked to have eternal youth ( I don't believe so much in this possibility, but it may be what happened, after all master kame doesn't appear alive in universe 9 , maybe he sealed Piccolo and then was revived by the dragon balls and then died again in piccolo's second turn)
2: Before Mutaito sealed Piccolo with the Mafuba, Piccolo gathered the Dragon Balls and asked for eternal youth (most natural and likely in my opinion)
Even with these two possibilities I'm not sure what's going on as it's not very clear, I don't even know why the story would go down this confusing path and make these unnecessary changes, when it could have opted for something simpler.
Anyway, if anyone can answer my doubts, I would be grateful, that's all, sorry for the inconvenience.
Hi Zol,
When I saw this page for the first time, I was as confused as you guys. But when I went back & re-read the previous two pages I understand what happened. So, I will explain to you what happened from my understanding (make in mind that I'm just a translator here, & I could be 100% wrong about everything I'm about to say to you):
I don't know what was written in the Brazilian section, but if you go back to page 2019 (English section), you will notice that Kami didn't say "restore my youth" like King Piccolo in the manga, he asked Shenron to "Return me to my full capabilities of yonder" in other word, he wished to be the Nameless Namekian again. And from the looks of it, it seems Shenron can't force King Piccolo (Piccolo Damaioh) to be part of Kami again. So, Shenron did the most he could do from the wish; he freed King Piccolo & restored both him and Kami's youth. So, Shenron return him to the moment he & King Piccolo split. That's why on page 2020 Kami said "I’m not… complete" which is referring to the fact that Shenron didn't fuse King Piccolo in him.
Some of us from the Brazilian section are confused by the events of the last 3 pages and that's why I decided to come personally and ask some questions for you from the gringa section, so that maybe some moderator or even the artist of this special can answer our doubts, so without further ado:
1 : Who exactly freed Piccolo damaioh? Shenron or Kami Sama? I initially thought it was Kami sama, as Kami sama's wish didn't include piccolo damaioh (or so I thought?) in the wish, he only asked to restore his old-time abilities, but even then the page, because of the 2020 page: https://w...020.html#h_read Shenlong says "the rest.... depends on you...." And his eyes sparkle like he's got another wish ( wtf?) then Piccolo Damaioh appears without the rice cooker that imprisoned him, from what the pages suggest, Shenron somehow freed Piccolo damaioh, but that doesn't make sense, as Kami's wish didn't include Piccolo in it and I don't I can't imagine Shenron playing the Wish any other way than Kami becoming young, I can't say it was Kami Sama (or Mr popo) Freeing Piccolo Damaioh, because that's not what the pages imply, if Repair Kami Sama looks like it surprised to see Piccolo Damaioh (wtf?) and there's something else that bothers even more
2 : Why the hell is Piccolo Damaioh young? You could say it was because of Kami Sama's wish, but Kami sama's wish only included himself (https://w...019.html#h_read) and not Piccolo , btw "They were the same person before, so that's why Piccolo got young again" Not a valid excuse, Piccolo Damaioh in classic dragon ball made the same request and even then, only he got young, Kami Sama remained old as ever, it makes no sense to be different in dbm, even in an alternate universe
"It can be explained in future pages" I know that, that's why I asked a moderator of the Brazilian section about what is happening, after all they have the pages with early access and if it was any important spoiler (or something that would be explained) he could at least tell me what the hell is going on, but he was also confused, he didn't know why Piccolo was young, to have an idea he thought that Kami Sama made 2 wishes to shenron and that's why Piccolo was free (which I I can't believe it, because Kami sama himself seems surprised on this page and we don't see him make the second wish) and that Piccolo Damaioh has already asked to be young before (in this universe and in universe 9 too, after all they are the same universe) This confused me, as it created unnecessary changes to the story, but it was the only valid explanation (which doesn't contradict the manga's canon at least), so I opened up two possibilities
1 : Piccolo damaioh already freed before, but was imprisoned by mafuba again, in the meantime he asked to have eternal youth ( I don't believe so much in this possibility, but it may be what happened, after all master kame doesn't appear alive in universe 9 , maybe he sealed Piccolo and then was revived by the dragon balls and then died again in piccolo's second turn)
2: Before Mutaito sealed Piccolo with the Mafuba, Piccolo gathered the Dragon Balls and asked for eternal youth (most natural and likely in my opinion)
Even with these two possibilities I'm not sure what's going on as it's not very clear, I don't even know why the story would go down this confusing path and make these unnecessary changes, when it could have opted for something simpler.
Anyway, if anyone can answer my doubts, I would be grateful, that's all, sorry for the inconvenience.
Hi Zol,
When I saw this page for the first time, I was as confused as you guys. But when I went back & re-read the previous two pages I understand what happened. So, I will explain to you what happened from my understanding (make in mind that I'm just a translator here, & I could be 100% wrong about everything I'm about to say to you):
I don't know what was written in the Brazilian section, but if you go back to page 2019 (English section), you will notice that Kami didn't say "restore my youth" like King Piccolo in the manga, he asked Shenron to "Return me to my full capabilities of yonder" in other word, he wished to be the Nameless Namekian again. And from the looks of it, it seems Shenron can't force King Piccolo (Piccolo Damaioh) to be part of Kami again. So, Shenron did the most he could do from the wish; he freed King Piccolo & restored both him and Kami's youth. So, Shenron return him to the moment he & King Piccolo split. That's why on page 2020 Kami said "I’m not… complete" which is referring to the fact that Shenron didn't fuse King Piccolo in him.
Yes, it's a simple writing or translation niggle (I can't check with the French version).
Besides the Yonder/Yore mixup - it's not clear enough if Kami is referring to his own peak power (young kami) or to his form before the split. Simply clarifying the wish to something like 'Return me to my complete self' could help, but at least Shenron understood the wish's goal.
Piccolo being freed and teleported to the lookout is part of this wish (no, popo didn't do it). It is just outside of Shenrons power to actually fuse them together.
Tombo
2 April 2022
Just checking, what changed climate wise that it's now a good idea to do the exact same thing that blew up all the other kids? ':D
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Namekseijin Densetsu page 147
Tombo
31 März 2022
siksteen sagte:
Tombo was saying: Funny page.
I doubt he'd really get told off too much. A saiyan dying on earth must surely be a sign of weakness on part of the dead saiyan? I can't imagine the saiyans really protecting or coddling their younger fighters.
Especially on a weak planet like Earth.
Yeah but it's still a kid dying. And under Raditz's orders, which he should be much, much stronger than any earthlings.
I dont think it's about protection, but about preserving the future and all that.
But hey, it's just a fancomic, right? =P
I doubt he'd really get told off too much. A saiyan dying on earth must surely be a sign of weakness on part of the dead saiyan? I can't imagine the saiyans really protecting or coddling their younger fighters.
Especially on a weak planet like Earth.
Yeah but it's still a kid dying. And under Raditz's orders, which he should be much, much stronger than any earthlings.
I dont think it's about protection, but about preserving the future and all that.
But hey, it's just a fancomic, right? =P
I mean they sent weak babies to just go off and die on a planet somewhere alone on the off chance they win when freeza was still around. 1 Antworten
Tombo
31 März 2022
Funny page.
I doubt he'd really get told off too much. A saiyan dying on earth must surely be a sign of weakness on part of the dead saiyan? I can't imagine the saiyans really protecting or coddling their younger fighters.
Especially on a weak planet like Earth. 1 Antworten
DB Multiverse page 2013
I doubt he'd really get told off too much. A saiyan dying on earth must surely be a sign of weakness on part of the dead saiyan? I can't imagine the saiyans really protecting or coddling their younger fighters.
Especially on a weak planet like Earth. 1 Antworten
Tombo
8 März 2022
Cooler sagte:
I don't know how much "notably" represent a power difference for you, but we need a reason to Tao beat a Kid that lived in 10g, which obviously is above Kid Goku, we have Goku without gravity training and Raditz for comparisson, and as I said earlier, u9/u3 could be way different than we used to, maybe a close defeat at the hands of Gohah and Tien as training partner could give him enough motivation to train hard.
interesting point. However with the saiyans ruling the galaxy there is reason to believe saiyans might be being born off planet and do not necessarily experience 10g as a standard anymore.
However, these kids seem to cocky for that.
Tombo
9 Februar 2022
Michelrpg sagte:
PatchyThePirate was saying: Okay. I don't want to be completely negative so I will say, the art is amazing. However:
The pacing of this whole comic is terrible. It's really tiresome to have yet ANOTHER long side story as soon as something interesting happens. Every single time, it never fails. Something interesting happens and we get a boring side story that we already know the outcome to.
That Majin Bra arc took way too long. Then we finally get to see a bunch of good fights and the first one, a mysteriously powerful magician VS a magical nigh-omnipotent Majin Buu and we get a very disappointing end. You'd think with all Buu's power and knowledge he'd have figured out a way to counter that stupid spell long before this tournament even began.
And the writing is just getting worse and worse as it goes, but I still have faith that it'll get better at some point. I want to see Vegito go crazy already. I REALLY just wish they'd chill on the side stories. Feels like Naruto with all this filler.
For someone not trying to be all negative, you kind of are.
This webcomic is done as a hobby/sidegig for almost everyone involved. Taking a single page like this takes a lot of effort and time. And a lot of communicating between writer and artist to make sure the story is conveyed well. The "pacing" only feels bad because you have to wait for a chapter to finish, which is 2-3 months per chapter instead of once per week with normal manga. When you read the story in one go, there's nothing wrong with the pacing, and the Rebellion arc works out pretty well. The Bra arc would have been a joke if it was finished within a single chapter.
Also, there is no "filler". Filler is never canon to the main story. Every story of the other universes told here however, is canon. It might not always be enjoyable for everyone due to style changes, odd pacing, or whatever other reasons they might have, but they remain canon.
As other people pointed out, this is also because the main story artist (Asura) also has a personal life and isnt working on the comic 24/7. Maybe they needed a break. Or maybe something came up. We don't know. But whenever there is an interruption of the main story, there's a reason for it that we simply have to accept.
Years ago, and I remember this well, the original artist, Gogeta Jr, unexpectedly quit as an artist. The future of DBM was, for a few days, uncertain. We were INCREDIBLY lucky to find someone like Asura willing to help Salagir with this all, and I feel complaining about pacing or the length of chapters is a bit undeserving. We're here for a proper DB story. If DBM just focuses on fighting and no story, this would be no different from Dragonball Heroes: a bunch of random characters fighting eachother without rhyme or reason.
The pacing of this whole comic is terrible. It's really tiresome to have yet ANOTHER long side story as soon as something interesting happens. Every single time, it never fails. Something interesting happens and we get a boring side story that we already know the outcome to.
That Majin Bra arc took way too long. Then we finally get to see a bunch of good fights and the first one, a mysteriously powerful magician VS a magical nigh-omnipotent Majin Buu and we get a very disappointing end. You'd think with all Buu's power and knowledge he'd have figured out a way to counter that stupid spell long before this tournament even began.
And the writing is just getting worse and worse as it goes, but I still have faith that it'll get better at some point. I want to see Vegito go crazy already. I REALLY just wish they'd chill on the side stories. Feels like Naruto with all this filler.
For someone not trying to be all negative, you kind of are.
This webcomic is done as a hobby/sidegig for almost everyone involved. Taking a single page like this takes a lot of effort and time. And a lot of communicating between writer and artist to make sure the story is conveyed well. The "pacing" only feels bad because you have to wait for a chapter to finish, which is 2-3 months per chapter instead of once per week with normal manga. When you read the story in one go, there's nothing wrong with the pacing, and the Rebellion arc works out pretty well. The Bra arc would have been a joke if it was finished within a single chapter.
Also, there is no "filler". Filler is never canon to the main story. Every story of the other universes told here however, is canon. It might not always be enjoyable for everyone due to style changes, odd pacing, or whatever other reasons they might have, but they remain canon.
As other people pointed out, this is also because the main story artist (Asura) also has a personal life and isnt working on the comic 24/7. Maybe they needed a break. Or maybe something came up. We don't know. But whenever there is an interruption of the main story, there's a reason for it that we simply have to accept.
Years ago, and I remember this well, the original artist, Gogeta Jr, unexpectedly quit as an artist. The future of DBM was, for a few days, uncertain. We were INCREDIBLY lucky to find someone like Asura willing to help Salagir with this all, and I feel complaining about pacing or the length of chapters is a bit undeserving. We're here for a proper DB story. If DBM just focuses on fighting and no story, this would be no different from Dragonball Heroes: a bunch of random characters fighting eachother without rhyme or reason.
Well said
Tombo
27 Januar 2022
Spooky sagte:
Also I find it ironic that Bra is calling Buu out, yet she blatantly killed family members, has broken several rules. Buu hasn’t killed anyone, has restored people that Bra killed, has helped people, provided music, art, healing, and even removed babidi from the arena.
Also I find it ironic that Bra is calling Buu out, yet she blatantly killed family members, has broken several rules. Buu hasn’t killed anyone, has restored people that Bra killed, has helped people, provided music, art, healing, and even removed babidi from the arena.
It makes sense within context. She's probably struggling with how much of it was her fault despite being mind controlled and then she hears an all powerful being knew what babbidi was planning, let him do it, and then just sat back and watched bra kill her family for entertainment.
In her mind it's easy to see how she can shift blame to buu for not only not preventing it, but for deliberately moving events to allow it to happen. 1 Antworten
Tombo
27 Januar 2022
عمار sagte:
Bra: You enjoyed watching our torments…
And now you’re done playing with us! Dad, if we let him be, he’ll have control over every universe, ours included!
D'awwww! She's so cute trying to be responsible!
Also, Vegetto & Bra are talking now?
And now you’re done playing with us! Dad, if we let him be, he’ll have control over every universe, ours included!
D'awwww! She's so cute trying to be responsible!
Also, Vegetto & Bra are talking now?
Just a matter of her realising Vegitto is probably the only one that can really stop Buu. 1 Antworten
Tombo
24 Januar 2022
So this is where Buu removes the mask and makes it clear he was acting 'weaker' this entire time to keep the tournament interesting.
I can only really see this going towards a full scale battle against Buu.
Vegito would be willing to join the new tournament for sure, maybe some others - but the 'good guys' like the kais would escalate and force the confrontation making the other participants basically join them in the fight (can't just let Buu slaughter them..)
I wonder if Vegito going on a rampage is tied to him wanting to keep the tournament alive. But I don't know why he wouldn't just IT away with Buu to have their own fight outside of any tournament setting. 1 Antworten
DB Multiverse page 1992
I can only really see this going towards a full scale battle against Buu.
Vegito would be willing to join the new tournament for sure, maybe some others - but the 'good guys' like the kais would escalate and force the confrontation making the other participants basically join them in the fight (can't just let Buu slaughter them..)
I wonder if Vegito going on a rampage is tied to him wanting to keep the tournament alive. But I don't know why he wouldn't just IT away with Buu to have their own fight outside of any tournament setting. 1 Antworten
Tombo
21 Januar 2022
Doubt he's powerful or interesting enough for Yemma to allow him to keep his body.
His soul will be broken down and redistributed.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 116
His soul will be broken down and redistributed.
Tombo
20 Januar 2022
Teleported_Bread sagte:
You know what would be quite the twist? If Helix kills Arashi out of rage and it turns out Zoni is alive. There have been cases where characters somehow survive their necks being snapped, even Gohan after the Ginyu Force's Recoome kicked him, and he was 5 or 6 at the time
Tbf Gohan didn't so much survive as was force fed a senzu as he was dying.
This guy could survive if a healer namekian gets to him quickly enough, but he looks pretty dead right now not going to lie.
Tombo
13 Januar 2022
عمار sagte:
Ummm... This is taking a weird turn...
"we started communicating by telepathy."
Okay... good for you? That's still doesn't justify what you did though....
"we started communicating by telepathy."
Okay... good for you? That's still doesn't justify what you did though....
I mean, he is in the middle of explaining what they talked about - which will in his mind justify his actions. You thought he was just going to stop talking after this and use just this page as his defense? ;)
Tombo
10 Januar 2022
If the Grand Kaioshin is admitting it he's not being dumb - he just is going to have a very good reason.
DB Multiverse page 1986
Tombo
30 Dezember 2021
In the end the magic spell is just a magic spell, there's no reason to believe only bibidi's bloodline could use it - instead any person that knows the spell would be able to use it. Kind of like the rest of 'magic' in dbm.
So I see no reason why Buu would assume it could never come back to haunt him and develop a counter. It's not a particularly complex spell..
DB Multiverse page 1981
So I see no reason why Buu would assume it could never come back to haunt him and develop a counter. It's not a particularly complex spell..
Tombo
30 Dezember 2021
I can't imagine a way this would straight up work.
There is nothing in DB that doesn't have a counter. Even the Mafuba was countered by ma junior with no real reason except he 'knew' about the move and developed a counter.
Buu being as smart and great as he is, I can't imagine he didn't find a counter to his number 1 weakness first thing.
DB Multiverse page 1981
There is nothing in DB that doesn't have a counter. Even the Mafuba was countered by ma junior with no real reason except he 'knew' about the move and developed a counter.
Buu being as smart and great as he is, I can't imagine he didn't find a counter to his number 1 weakness first thing.
Tombo
17 Dezember 2021
I'm sure the Vargas have microwaves - but these are cooks - no cook uses a microwave. For shame.
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DB Multiverse page 1975
Tombo
15 Dezember 2021
Don't get the people complaining about filler.
This is not filler, it's world building and pacing. The pacing just feels off because you only get 3 pages per week. If you don't have the patience for it I would honestly suggest to just not come back a year or so and do some binging. You'll see the pacing is much better.
Filler is a term referring specifically to non-canon material that does not impact the story at all that is used to 'fill' the time whilst waiting for the main story to have been written. Either a side story that does nothing to world, does not impact the characters and returns to a full status quo after (in order to not deviate from the source material) or 10 minutes of powering up - which should sound familiar to us all. Usually because the anime needs to wait for the manga (source) to actually release enough material for an episode.
For the people that want to get on with it, would you prefer to just have the cliff notes telling you immediate who wins and what the end is? 2 Antworten
DB Multiverse page 1974
This is not filler, it's world building and pacing. The pacing just feels off because you only get 3 pages per week. If you don't have the patience for it I would honestly suggest to just not come back a year or so and do some binging. You'll see the pacing is much better.
Filler is a term referring specifically to non-canon material that does not impact the story at all that is used to 'fill' the time whilst waiting for the main story to have been written. Either a side story that does nothing to world, does not impact the characters and returns to a full status quo after (in order to not deviate from the source material) or 10 minutes of powering up - which should sound familiar to us all. Usually because the anime needs to wait for the manga (source) to actually release enough material for an episode.
For the people that want to get on with it, would you prefer to just have the cliff notes telling you immediate who wins and what the end is? 2 Antworten
Tombo
5 Dezember 2021
Vegeta having a body isn't so strange.
Yenma does it in the manga
1. because he felt he might need him at some point. It's not clarified that this is only to deal with buu - or another threat later on. So he could've had the same feeling that he might need vegeta at some point after cell / during bojack.
2. As a favour to goku. We can infer to help goku train and fight and get stronger in the afterlife. This would be a valid reason at this point in the story also.
DB Multiverse page 1970
Yenma does it in the manga
1. because he felt he might need him at some point. It's not clarified that this is only to deal with buu - or another threat later on. So he could've had the same feeling that he might need vegeta at some point after cell / during bojack.
2. As a favour to goku. We can infer to help goku train and fight and get stronger in the afterlife. This would be a valid reason at this point in the story also.
Tombo
19 August 2021
Goku has more in the tank. I believe the reason he did not show it here is because he was expecting a slow build up like how he likes his fight and UUB went much harder and much quicker than he expected and gave him no time to think, let alone power up again.
DB Multiverse page 1925
Tombo
6 August 2021
Kanyon sagte:
Vort3x was saying: This reminds me of that time Goku had 11 universes destroyed because he wanted to fight people. This totally won't be a bad idea.
Yeah exactly. Goku might've saved the Earth a few times, but Android 17 saved 11 universes, and trillions of people from the tournament Goku brought upon them.
Yeah exactly. Goku might've saved the Earth a few times, but Android 17 saved 11 universes, and trillions of people from the tournament Goku brought upon them.
False premise.
Zeno and the grand priest confirmed they were planning on just culling the weaker universes but Gokus tournament idea convinced them to give one of these universes a chance to remain.
Although in the Anime Zeno would've destroyed any universe making a 'selfish wish' for whatever reason.
Tombo
12 Juni 2021
Goku will win, but with some difficulty due to Uubs new magic.
The point of the fight is to teach Goku a way to deal with magic for the magic heavy line-up waiting for him in the future. Without this warmup there would be no reason to believe Goku could deal with magic at all since his experience with it is extremely limited.
DB Multiverse page 1896
The point of the fight is to teach Goku a way to deal with magic for the magic heavy line-up waiting for him in the future. Without this warmup there would be no reason to believe Goku could deal with magic at all since his experience with it is extremely limited.
Tombo
18 Januar 2021
Hope Vegito flips it from
'So dishonest' to 'I will find a way to beat them'
It's fine to have an internal moment of frustration to getting beat and feeling powerless for a guy that's been the epitome of power in his universe since his 'birth'.
Whether or not it's bad writing will depend on how he processes this frustration.
I still hope for a Vegito come back.
DB Multiverse page 1835
'So dishonest' to 'I will find a way to beat them'
It's fine to have an internal moment of frustration to getting beat and feeling powerless for a guy that's been the epitome of power in his universe since his 'birth'.
Whether or not it's bad writing will depend on how he processes this frustration.
I still hope for a Vegito come back.
Tombo
16 Januar 2021
Funny how it's ok for Gohan to smack Nappa blindsiding him for something he did under babidi's control, but bra is innocent because she was controlled by babidi and it's unreasonable to be mad at her....
DB Multiverse page 1834
Tombo
14 Januar 2021
J.I.L sagte:
You people are not getting it. No one here is arguing that they skip slice of peace panels, or character dialouge: but those scenes must have purpose. These last 3-4 pages have literally been redudant, padding and filler. You could have easily narrated this "SToRy tELliNG" into one-two pages of narration. Basically saying "and things were fully restored back to normal by Buu. The crowd, specters and all participants, both good and evil - alike. How would such a dramatic event effect the tournament and relationships of universes and team members going forward..."
And during that narration, you could have had two pages of imagery illustrating the narration.
Purposeful and RELEVANT writing. That's "STORY TELLING". Hopefully they get on with the story now.
And during that narration, you could have had two pages of imagery illustrating the narration.
Purposeful and RELEVANT writing. That's "STORY TELLING". Hopefully they get on with the story now.
Sorry amigo, If you think 'good story telling' = narration then I won't put much stock in your opinion.
Not to be rude - but Comics (like movies) are a visual medium - don't 'narrate' what you can show. 2/3 pages of 'downtime' after a chapters long arc is not excessive.
Tombo
13 Januar 2021
I like the page. It's good to see everybody.
People wishing this would've been skipped to get to the action, I understand, but keep in mind this is a single page.
Ignoring this for short term gratification would make the comic as a whole worse in the longterm.
Besides, this way everybody gets to see their favourite character come back, whichever it might be.
DB Multiverse page 1833
People wishing this would've been skipped to get to the action, I understand, but keep in mind this is a single page.
Ignoring this for short term gratification would make the comic as a whole worse in the longterm.
Besides, this way everybody gets to see their favourite character come back, whichever it might be.
Tombo
11 Januar 2021
If Gohan does have a plan to stop a berserker Bra you would think he would've enacted it when Bra went berserk and killed everybody.
I wouldn't trust any plan he claims to have haha.
DB Multiverse page 1832
I wouldn't trust any plan he claims to have haha.
Tombo
7 Januar 2021
Really hope this is not the end of it.
Right now we've only heard from a handful of people, but I was at least expecting a bit more shock at everybody being wiped out.
But who knows, it might still play into the story moving forward. Could be salavaged if we start seeing people be wary/suspicious of Bra moving forward in the tournament and Bra doing another hard heel turn.
The way it's played off now it does look like Bra could just be playing along making the moves she thinks are most likely to keep her alive.
I dunno
DB Multiverse page 1830
Right now we've only heard from a handful of people, but I was at least expecting a bit more shock at everybody being wiped out.
But who knows, it might still play into the story moving forward. Could be salavaged if we start seeing people be wary/suspicious of Bra moving forward in the tournament and Bra doing another hard heel turn.
The way it's played off now it does look like Bra could just be playing along making the moves she thinks are most likely to keep her alive.
I dunno
Tombo
6 Januar 2021
Fan sagte:
Tombo was saying:
Someone is forgetting Gohan being saddled with protecting the earth after his training o being 'left to die in the middle of nowhere after being threatened by piccolo'
Also the 'slip up' as you are referring to it was destroying a galaxy. I'd hate to see what you consider a real boo boo.
Most people would have difficulty reconciling the fact their kid killed one person. Let alone a universe..
From my reading of the material, Vegito also did not force Bra to become space cop or saddled her with the responsibility to protect the universe. That's why Gohan isn't being forced to partake, or trunks, or Goten.
Bra wants to be the strongest and the best and was following around Vegito to take over from him at one point. She is actually the only kid Vegito has with the same kind of lust for fighting as him. I see no indication anywhere in the material that Bra 'Wanted out' but was 'forced to stay a space cop'
You're reaching.
Vegito has issues as a parent.
Bra is a full scale psychopath that has murdered galaxies.
I actually like Bra as a character, but if you had a good friend, sibling or kid that ended up killing a family due to drunk driving you would have a lot of difficulty forgiving them for that - even if they were drunk and 'not in control of their actions' at the time.
And I'm pretty sure you would get very angry if that person then turned to you and said 'I know I'm not Perfect, but neither are you!!'
I mean sure I snapped at you when you didn't clean your room, but I didn't piledrive a planet into oblivion.
Also
— ---
As many people have mentioned.
Bra still has Bulma. There's no way Bulma wouldn't be able to give her an out to do something other than fighting since Bulma is Brains >>> Brawn anyway.
Let's not forget that according to the story - despite bra's faults - most people actually like/love and support her. So even if Vegito is a bad parent - she still would've had other people to give her support when needed.
This makes me believe (as mentioned in previous comment) that Vegitto has been covering for her anytime she goes on a real rampage by erasing memories - so he's the only one that truly knows how terrible bra is. Maybe Bra herself doesn't even know.
I'm hoping that's the case and Vegitto reveals this after breaking from Gasts control (which he should do. We all know Power beats all in DBZ eventually)
Did you forget that she was put into the role when she was like what, eight or less? This is assuming that kids have the ability to make good decisions as a stable adult.
Someone is forgetting Gohan being saddled with protecting the earth after his training o being 'left to die in the middle of nowhere after being threatened by piccolo'
Also the 'slip up' as you are referring to it was destroying a galaxy. I'd hate to see what you consider a real boo boo.
Most people would have difficulty reconciling the fact their kid killed one person. Let alone a universe..
From my reading of the material, Vegito also did not force Bra to become space cop or saddled her with the responsibility to protect the universe. That's why Gohan isn't being forced to partake, or trunks, or Goten.
Bra wants to be the strongest and the best and was following around Vegito to take over from him at one point. She is actually the only kid Vegito has with the same kind of lust for fighting as him. I see no indication anywhere in the material that Bra 'Wanted out' but was 'forced to stay a space cop'
You're reaching.
Vegito has issues as a parent.
Bra is a full scale psychopath that has murdered galaxies.
I actually like Bra as a character, but if you had a good friend, sibling or kid that ended up killing a family due to drunk driving you would have a lot of difficulty forgiving them for that - even if they were drunk and 'not in control of their actions' at the time.
And I'm pretty sure you would get very angry if that person then turned to you and said 'I know I'm not Perfect, but neither are you!!'
I mean sure I snapped at you when you didn't clean your room, but I didn't piledrive a planet into oblivion.
Also
— ---
As many people have mentioned.
Bra still has Bulma. There's no way Bulma wouldn't be able to give her an out to do something other than fighting since Bulma is Brains >>> Brawn anyway.
Let's not forget that according to the story - despite bra's faults - most people actually like/love and support her. So even if Vegito is a bad parent - she still would've had other people to give her support when needed.
This makes me believe (as mentioned in previous comment) that Vegitto has been covering for her anytime she goes on a real rampage by erasing memories - so he's the only one that truly knows how terrible bra is. Maybe Bra herself doesn't even know.
I'm hoping that's the case and Vegitto reveals this after breaking from Gasts control (which he should do. We all know Power beats all in DBZ eventually)
Did you forget that she was put into the role when she was like what, eight or less? This is assuming that kids have the ability to make good decisions as a stable adult.
Gohan was 5 when the Saiyans came.
This is DB. DB 5 (or 10) is not the same as real world 5 or 10. 1 Antworten
Tombo
4 Januar 2021
I feel like most people aren't blaming bra. I also feel like you guys are making the same assumptions on how majinazation works as the other side is.
It's besides the point though. The main issue people have with this page is that Vegito is being scolded by everybody and everybody is defending Bra at this point.
It's not entirely realistic even if every character does assume and fully believe majinization is 100% mind control and Bra had 0 control of her actions. Especially considering Bra has a history of losing control and the only person in these pages that has actually experienced being majinized is Vegito by way of Vegeta.
Why trust what Gotenks has to say on the matter or Gast when (as far as we the readers know) they have 0 experience or knowledge on the matter?
I can see that it's building up to Vegito snapping, and for that they need to bring him down first - but I'm hoping for some defense of Vegito coming up in the following pages and not a 100% heel turn with no nuance. Especially considering Vegito is the top 1 hero and fighter for peace of his galaxy - despite his flaws.
Of course, we should all keep in mind this is a single page (or two pages with the last page) and is not indicative of anything when you consider how little a page means in a full chapter - especially a full saga. Everything can still change/be given nuance/become clear.
I trust the team here.
Tombo
4 Januar 2021
Darkstar sagte:
ddshunko11 was saying: English section is so full of trash. It's almost indecent.
Ikr
KidTrunks was saying: Someone was saying: I can’t say I’m as invested in this as many others that comment here are, but I just wanted to say something.
As good as the artwork is, the writing is poor. Not the worst I’ve seen for what is essentially FanFiction, but still poor. It’s inconsistent at best, and sloppy at worst. There have been so many holes the writing has brought the comic into over time, and rather than address them directly, the creative team has decided the best course of action is to pretend they didn’t happen. This chapter alone has had several bizarre tone shifts and out-of-character moments that have been discussed in the comment section in great detail. The dialogue as well, which used to flow more naturally, has become increasingly stale and robotic. It’s really hard to invest in these characters when they hardly talk like people anymore. The vocabulary can be very mature and complicated, but it never seems necessary for the story. It’s just using big words for the sake of using big words, it doesn’t make you sound any smarter.
The same thing goes for the themes of the story. Rather than showing us through the (admittedly very pretty) visuals how the themes played out, we’re just being told how they happened. Bra’s complex, her Majinization, Vegito’s reaction, everyone else’s reaction, a lot of it is being told to us through dialogue, which feels like the writer’s way of shaping the narrative to fit their views, rather than leaving it more open-ended.
I’m just unsatisfied as a whole. I know the comic is free, and this long-winded speech seems ultimately kind of selfish, but I just know you guys could do better. There’s so much untapped potential in this story that isn’t being represented, and just a few tweaks here or there could fix a whole host of problems. It’s your vision, and you can do whatever you want with it, which is fine. And hey, you probably won’t read this anyway, that’s fine too. I just wanted to give my two cents.
Well Said. Salagir, you're a legend - you've built and written a DB fanfiction that is arguably the reason why Super exists, they've even copied the multi-dimensional tournament from you. With that being said, this is honestly not your best work. It's outright disrespectful to the Spirit of the Father. Not to become religious but, akin to the story of Noah's drunkeness, it's a curse to expose the nakedness of one's father. It's important to critique yes, but to outright embarrass is a recipe for spiritual disaster.
In a lot of ways, the world recently has been spitting on the Patriach, and of course there are issues, but point being that this seems to be chaining itself to that hatred and disrespect of what our forefathers have built and what they have done to protect civilization. Vegito has done nothing that would suggest that his sons and friends would have to team together to eliminate him to protect the universe. Vegito though his own person, is a fusion of a redeemed Vegeta and same loving Goku, so as much as his power and the events with Bra may change him, he's a far cry from an evil or bad guy not and deserving of this. Please please consider reassessing the next few pages (even if you had to delay them) to turn this around before its too late.
Writing is not poor. Just because you havent seen tge full script doeent mean people can just jump to conclusions.
People just don't have patience.
This is by far one of the best fan Mangas out there. If you just go and read the non English comment sections you will realise people in this section are just too much brown nosing
عمار was saying: OH. MY. GOD!
>You decide everything alone,
BECAUSE HE IS ALONE YOU DUMB FUCK! YOUR TWO HALFS NEVER BOTHER TO TRAIN & WHILE HE WAS TRANING BRA TO CONTROL HER SSJ,
YOUR HALF WERE TOO BUSY LOOKING AT A WOMAN'S ASS!
>Yet you're fallible & hot-tempered
YOU'RE THE ONE TO TALK?!!!
>If Son Bra managed today, it's not thanks to you.
MANAGED WHAT?!!!!
KILLING HER BROHTER?!!!
KILLING THE PICCOLOS?!!
KILLING PHIPSIL?!!!
OH WAIT! YOU ARE REFERING TO THIS BS?
WELL, FUCK YOU THEN! IT IS THANKS TO VEGETTO, BECAUSE UNLIKE YOU, HE ACTUALLY PUT HIS MAIND TO IT!
>You've never shown regret for any of your past acts
REGRET FOR WHAT?!!! FOR WHAT "PAST ACTS"?!!!
OBEYING THE KAIOSHINS TO PROTECT THE UNIVERSE?!!
TRAINING BOTH BRA & PAN?!!
SAVING THE TOUENAMENT FROM BROLY?!!!
MAKING SURE ZEN BUU DOES NOT ABSORBED BROLY?!!!
SAVING YOUR PSYCHO OF A SISTER FROM A BODY THIEF?!!
CONTAIN SAID PSYCHO FROM DESTRYING THE UNIVERSE?!!
SAVING YOUR UNGRATEFUL ASSES FROM BUU 20 YEARS AGO?!!
OH! WAIT! YOU MIGHT BE WROING GOTENKS, I THINK VEGETTO IS REGRTING SAVING YOU NOW!
>I know I'm not perfect
OH YOU'VE THE NERVE TO "I'm not perfect" ACT NOW! AFTER ALL THE BULLSHIT YOU'RE PULL THIS NOW?!!
Not perfect?!! BITCH! You're far away from being a "good guy"!
FAR
AWAY
FROM IT
>I got resentment & hatred in me.
" oH I aM sO MaD! I'm tHe sEcONed StrOnGEst In thE UniVerSE!!! GRRRR!"
FUCK. OFF!!
>But..so do you, Dad!
Any father will turn to villains if he had ungrateful assholes like as children!
YOU ARE FUCKING IDOIT IF THAT WAS YOUR GOAL FROM THE BEGGINING!!! YOUR DAD WATED TO TRAIN YOU SO YOU WILL PRETECT THE UNIVERSE JUST LIKE HE DO!!! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE OBSESSION OF BEING "NUBER 1"!!!
Fine! You go & do that! But do us all a favor & do it offscreen because I'm tired of seeing your face!
Well the question is did he EVER TRULY ASK HIS CHILD WHAT SHE REALLY WANTED TO DO IN LIFE.
NO
He just threw the responsibility of gaurding the ENTIRE UNIVERSE when she was not even 10 years age.
That's not what parents do. Neither in real world NOR IN DB WORLD.
That's BS.
You can not just throw your aspirations on your children just because you like to do that work.
Then when she made slip ups.. he outright left her to die in middle of no where space.
Sounds like GOOD PARENTING right?
BS.
Instead of taking her to a therapist in any part of universe he just threatened and left.
And if you remember dbz kids take time to control their powers. When Goku was training Gohan he spent months to train him properly and ONLY WHEN HE HAD MASTERED HIS SSJ1 FORM AND LEARNT TO CONTROL HIS POWER he came out of HTC.
Not like spending 2 days and giving up .
No doubt Vegito is the one to be taking the blame.
He never gave his children any choice to become anything else like vegita and Goku did to bra trunks goten and later in series even to Gohan.
Bra was just forced in this police life with no way out.
Vegito should be humiliated infront of evryone so that he learns a lesson he will remember for his entire life.
Only now seeing her other self u16 bra realises that there is a way of life other than policing universe.
A better way to enjoy life instead of killing villains who did nothing wrong to earth or it's people.
And now when she is a bit older she can finally make choices for her self instead of the pathetic excuse of a father that is vegito.
Imo
Ikr
KidTrunks was saying: Someone was saying: I can’t say I’m as invested in this as many others that comment here are, but I just wanted to say something.
As good as the artwork is, the writing is poor. Not the worst I’ve seen for what is essentially FanFiction, but still poor. It’s inconsistent at best, and sloppy at worst. There have been so many holes the writing has brought the comic into over time, and rather than address them directly, the creative team has decided the best course of action is to pretend they didn’t happen. This chapter alone has had several bizarre tone shifts and out-of-character moments that have been discussed in the comment section in great detail. The dialogue as well, which used to flow more naturally, has become increasingly stale and robotic. It’s really hard to invest in these characters when they hardly talk like people anymore. The vocabulary can be very mature and complicated, but it never seems necessary for the story. It’s just using big words for the sake of using big words, it doesn’t make you sound any smarter.
The same thing goes for the themes of the story. Rather than showing us through the (admittedly very pretty) visuals how the themes played out, we’re just being told how they happened. Bra’s complex, her Majinization, Vegito’s reaction, everyone else’s reaction, a lot of it is being told to us through dialogue, which feels like the writer’s way of shaping the narrative to fit their views, rather than leaving it more open-ended.
I’m just unsatisfied as a whole. I know the comic is free, and this long-winded speech seems ultimately kind of selfish, but I just know you guys could do better. There’s so much untapped potential in this story that isn’t being represented, and just a few tweaks here or there could fix a whole host of problems. It’s your vision, and you can do whatever you want with it, which is fine. And hey, you probably won’t read this anyway, that’s fine too. I just wanted to give my two cents.
Well Said. Salagir, you're a legend - you've built and written a DB fanfiction that is arguably the reason why Super exists, they've even copied the multi-dimensional tournament from you. With that being said, this is honestly not your best work. It's outright disrespectful to the Spirit of the Father. Not to become religious but, akin to the story of Noah's drunkeness, it's a curse to expose the nakedness of one's father. It's important to critique yes, but to outright embarrass is a recipe for spiritual disaster.
In a lot of ways, the world recently has been spitting on the Patriach, and of course there are issues, but point being that this seems to be chaining itself to that hatred and disrespect of what our forefathers have built and what they have done to protect civilization. Vegito has done nothing that would suggest that his sons and friends would have to team together to eliminate him to protect the universe. Vegito though his own person, is a fusion of a redeemed Vegeta and same loving Goku, so as much as his power and the events with Bra may change him, he's a far cry from an evil or bad guy not and deserving of this. Please please consider reassessing the next few pages (even if you had to delay them) to turn this around before its too late.
Writing is not poor. Just because you havent seen tge full script doeent mean people can just jump to conclusions.
People just don't have patience.
This is by far one of the best fan Mangas out there. If you just go and read the non English comment sections you will realise people in this section are just too much brown nosing
عمار was saying: OH. MY. GOD!
>You decide everything alone,
BECAUSE HE IS ALONE YOU DUMB FUCK! YOUR TWO HALFS NEVER BOTHER TO TRAIN & WHILE HE WAS TRANING BRA TO CONTROL HER SSJ,
YOUR HALF WERE TOO BUSY LOOKING AT A WOMAN'S ASS!
>Yet you're fallible & hot-tempered
YOU'RE THE ONE TO TALK?!!!
>If Son Bra managed today, it's not thanks to you.
MANAGED WHAT?!!!!
KILLING HER BROHTER?!!!
KILLING THE PICCOLOS?!!
KILLING PHIPSIL?!!!
OH WAIT! YOU ARE REFERING TO THIS BS?
WELL, FUCK YOU THEN! IT IS THANKS TO VEGETTO, BECAUSE UNLIKE YOU, HE ACTUALLY PUT HIS MAIND TO IT!
>You've never shown regret for any of your past acts
REGRET FOR WHAT?!!! FOR WHAT "PAST ACTS"?!!!
OBEYING THE KAIOSHINS TO PROTECT THE UNIVERSE?!!
TRAINING BOTH BRA & PAN?!!
SAVING THE TOUENAMENT FROM BROLY?!!!
MAKING SURE ZEN BUU DOES NOT ABSORBED BROLY?!!!
SAVING YOUR PSYCHO OF A SISTER FROM A BODY THIEF?!!
CONTAIN SAID PSYCHO FROM DESTRYING THE UNIVERSE?!!
SAVING YOUR UNGRATEFUL ASSES FROM BUU 20 YEARS AGO?!!
OH! WAIT! YOU MIGHT BE WROING GOTENKS, I THINK VEGETTO IS REGRTING SAVING YOU NOW!
>I know I'm not perfect
OH YOU'VE THE NERVE TO "I'm not perfect" ACT NOW! AFTER ALL THE BULLSHIT YOU'RE PULL THIS NOW?!!
Not perfect?!! BITCH! You're far away from being a "good guy"!
FAR
AWAY
FROM IT
>I got resentment & hatred in me.
" oH I aM sO MaD! I'm tHe sEcONed StrOnGEst In thE UniVerSE!!! GRRRR!"
FUCK. OFF!!
>But..so do you, Dad!
Any father will turn to villains if he had ungrateful assholes like as children!
YOU ARE FUCKING IDOIT IF THAT WAS YOUR GOAL FROM THE BEGGINING!!! YOUR DAD WATED TO TRAIN YOU SO YOU WILL PRETECT THE UNIVERSE JUST LIKE HE DO!!! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE OBSESSION OF BEING "NUBER 1"!!!
Fine! You go & do that! But do us all a favor & do it offscreen because I'm tired of seeing your face!
Well the question is did he EVER TRULY ASK HIS CHILD WHAT SHE REALLY WANTED TO DO IN LIFE.
NO
He just threw the responsibility of gaurding the ENTIRE UNIVERSE when she was not even 10 years age.
That's not what parents do. Neither in real world NOR IN DB WORLD.
That's BS.
You can not just throw your aspirations on your children just because you like to do that work.
Then when she made slip ups.. he outright left her to die in middle of no where space.
Sounds like GOOD PARENTING right?
BS.
Instead of taking her to a therapist in any part of universe he just threatened and left.
And if you remember dbz kids take time to control their powers. When Goku was training Gohan he spent months to train him properly and ONLY WHEN HE HAD MASTERED HIS SSJ1 FORM AND LEARNT TO CONTROL HIS POWER he came out of HTC.
Not like spending 2 days and giving up .
No doubt Vegito is the one to be taking the blame.
He never gave his children any choice to become anything else like vegita and Goku did to bra trunks goten and later in series even to Gohan.
Bra was just forced in this police life with no way out.
Vegito should be humiliated infront of evryone so that he learns a lesson he will remember for his entire life.
Only now seeing her other self u16 bra realises that there is a way of life other than policing universe.
A better way to enjoy life instead of killing villains who did nothing wrong to earth or it's people.
And now when she is a bit older she can finally make choices for her self instead of the pathetic excuse of a father that is vegito.
Imo
Someone is forgetting Gohan being saddled with protecting the earth after his training o being 'left to die in the middle of nowhere after being threatened by piccolo'
Also the 'slip up' as you are referring to it was destroying a galaxy. I'd hate to see what you consider a real boo boo.
Most people would have difficulty reconciling the fact their kid killed one person. Let alone a universe..
From my reading of the material, Vegito also did not force Bra to become space cop or saddled her with the responsibility to protect the universe. That's why Gohan isn't being forced to partake, or trunks, or Goten.
Bra wants to be the strongest and the best and was following around Vegito to take over from him at one point. She is actually the only kid Vegito has with the same kind of lust for fighting as him. I see no indication anywhere in the material that Bra 'Wanted out' but was 'forced to stay a space cop'
You're reaching.
Vegito has issues as a parent.
Bra is a full scale psychopath that has murdered galaxies.
I actually like Bra as a character, but if you had a good friend, sibling or kid that ended up killing a family due to drunk driving you would have a lot of difficulty forgiving them for that - even if they were drunk and 'not in control of their actions' at the time.
And I'm pretty sure you would get very angry if that person then turned to you and said 'I know I'm not Perfect, but neither are you!!'
I mean sure I snapped at you when you didn't clean your room, but I didn't piledrive a planet into oblivion.
Also
— ---
As many people have mentioned.
Bra still has Bulma. There's no way Bulma wouldn't be able to give her an out to do something other than fighting since Bulma is Brains >>> Brawn anyway.
Let's not forget that according to the story - despite bra's faults - most people actually like/love and support her. So even if Vegito is a bad parent - she still would've had other people to give her support when needed.
This makes me believe (as mentioned in previous comment) that Vegitto has been covering for her anytime she goes on a real rampage by erasing memories - so he's the only one that truly knows how terrible bra is. Maybe Bra herself doesn't even know.
I'm hoping that's the case and Vegitto reveals this after breaking from Gasts control (which he should do. We all know Power beats all in DBZ eventually)
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Tombo
4 Januar 2021
Hmmmmmmm.. Really wonder how this is going to be saved.
So far I'm on board with Ashanark on this - and I like Bra has a character.
I was ok with the developments of the last page - but I was really expecting Vegito to break Gasts hold now in anger - 'I won't allow you to judge me, I've been training, supporting and shielding this child for her entire life trying to keep her homicidal psychopathic tendencies under control - Babidi might have been the cataclyst this time - but he's far from the being the sole reason for her slaughter.
In the last 6 years of her life she has killed X amounts of people, X Amounts of Planets and X amount of entire universes in her fits of rage.
ETc. etc. etc.
To kind of make his point more than clear.
He could then still calm down etc. But I see no reason everybody is seemingly validated in talking down to vegitto at this point. Saying you are worried you have to defend the universe from him at some point is only logical in the same way batman plans for the case he needs to stop Superman, this does not mean Vegito hasn't been saving the universe non-stop since his inception.
Hope the snap still happens and Vegito gets validated.
I was really looking forward to him becoming the villain, but not like this with his ass in the air.
DB Multiverse page 1829
So far I'm on board with Ashanark on this - and I like Bra has a character.
I was ok with the developments of the last page - but I was really expecting Vegito to break Gasts hold now in anger - 'I won't allow you to judge me, I've been training, supporting and shielding this child for her entire life trying to keep her homicidal psychopathic tendencies under control - Babidi might have been the cataclyst this time - but he's far from the being the sole reason for her slaughter.
In the last 6 years of her life she has killed X amounts of people, X Amounts of Planets and X amount of entire universes in her fits of rage.
ETc. etc. etc.
To kind of make his point more than clear.
He could then still calm down etc. But I see no reason everybody is seemingly validated in talking down to vegitto at this point. Saying you are worried you have to defend the universe from him at some point is only logical in the same way batman plans for the case he needs to stop Superman, this does not mean Vegito hasn't been saving the universe non-stop since his inception.
Hope the snap still happens and Vegito gets validated.
I was really looking forward to him becoming the villain, but not like this with his ass in the air.
Tombo
28 Dezember 2020
AllEyesOnMe sagte:
Magic is so overpowered in this damn manga. Why the hell even have fights at all if you can instantly drain your opponent of energy. I don’t like this one bit. I kinda get why Vegito’s going insane. He’s two of the most determined warriors to increase their own strength and he’s getting clowned left and right by magicians. It’s obnoxious. How do you even counter that? How the heck do you beat magicians in this fanfic if they can just teleport you across the universe and zap you of any strength.
Honestly I’m finding gast a more annoying than Any other charcter at this point. Gast can apparently stop Vegito and Buu like gnats, but he couldn’t counter Babidi? Gast is too convenient.
Honestly I’m finding gast a more annoying than Any other charcter at this point. Gast can apparently stop Vegito and Buu like gnats, but he couldn’t counter Babidi? Gast is too convenient.
I'm fairly certain Vegito is going to power through the magic.
He mentioned (I believe) dealing with Magic users in the past, so I'm sure he's got some tricks up his sleeve.
Tombo
21 Dezember 2020
UMW sagte:
seanpiece was saying:
I think part of the disconnect between the two camps is that there's a difference between a retcon and a revelation.
Fair.
seanpiece was saying:
We are seeing Vegetto in a crisis right now, and he's reacting poorly. None of that is a retcon. It's not being "conveniently introduced" - the groundwork has been laid, as many have pointed out.
That's not what I (or others, I believe) are calling convenient. The timing of this "revelation" is convenient. In the middle of Bra's crisis, right before breaking the majin seal, as she's trying to justify her actions we see this flashback of how Vegito "traumatized" Bra. Vegito has long been shown to have a latent dark side, yes. Vegito traumatizing his daughter has not. I challenge anyone to show me examples from the comic of Vegito threatening or traumatizing his daughter before 3-4 months ago.
seanpiece was saying:
As for how people feel about Bra, there's a difference between sympathy, empathy, and pity. A lot of people are mad that Salagir is "trying to make them feel bad" for Bra. Feel however you feel!
For some, sure.
But largely, I think this is a projection/defensive tactic on the part of people who are enjoying the comic and perhaps even Bra herself, and won't tolerate critique out of some weird sense of devotion.
Anyway, this is the heart of the issue and what is being confused by many: The issue is that while Salagir wants the audience to feel bad for Bra, he has deliberately wrote a story that has done everything to make it impossible for that to happen.
It's not an argument over fanboyism like many want it to be, it's an argument over writing conventions. And no one wants to have that conversation, because if they did, they'd have to admit the criticism is fair.
I think part of the disconnect between the two camps is that there's a difference between a retcon and a revelation.
Fair.
seanpiece was saying:
We are seeing Vegetto in a crisis right now, and he's reacting poorly. None of that is a retcon. It's not being "conveniently introduced" - the groundwork has been laid, as many have pointed out.
That's not what I (or others, I believe) are calling convenient. The timing of this "revelation" is convenient. In the middle of Bra's crisis, right before breaking the majin seal, as she's trying to justify her actions we see this flashback of how Vegito "traumatized" Bra. Vegito has long been shown to have a latent dark side, yes. Vegito traumatizing his daughter has not. I challenge anyone to show me examples from the comic of Vegito threatening or traumatizing his daughter before 3-4 months ago.
seanpiece was saying:
As for how people feel about Bra, there's a difference between sympathy, empathy, and pity. A lot of people are mad that Salagir is "trying to make them feel bad" for Bra. Feel however you feel!
For some, sure.
But largely, I think this is a projection/defensive tactic on the part of people who are enjoying the comic and perhaps even Bra herself, and won't tolerate critique out of some weird sense of devotion.
Anyway, this is the heart of the issue and what is being confused by many: The issue is that while Salagir wants the audience to feel bad for Bra, he has deliberately wrote a story that has done everything to make it impossible for that to happen.
It's not an argument over fanboyism like many want it to be, it's an argument over writing conventions. And no one wants to have that conversation, because if they did, they'd have to admit the criticism is fair.
Asking for an example of Vegito abusing bra 3-4 months ago doesn't say much considering that was only a couple of mainline chapters ago.
You're expecting too much because everything takes longer, but it's not entirely reasonable. It's not abnormal to lay the groundwork subtly (vegito getting angry, storming away in a huff because bra won't listen etc.) that leads to a more telling reveal once the timing is right (explain vegito threatening bra when she rampages).
In a normal manga this would've been just a couple of months apart, not years due to the pacing.
You can also see by how many people either feel bad for bra or hate bra that the characterization from salagir is not as clear cut as you are claiming it to be.
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Tombo
21 Dezember 2020
It makes sense to me.
This is a saiyan household - so it's only natural that 'beating' would be an even bigger part of child-rearing than it would be in human household (pretty normal thing for most of our history)
And this isn't bra spilling milk for the umpteenth time. It's her murdering friends and family for the umpteenth time. It's absolutely natural for Vegito to be extremely angry after the many warnings he has given her. I think even in a normal family household a slap or a physical altercation between parent and child wouldn't be very out of place - let alone in a household where they fight each other for fun and training anyway.
The 'you dare' makes sense also - if you are a father and you are punishing your child physically for bad behaviour (putting aside if you should or not, again fictional Saiyan vs real Human) if that child raises their hand against you instead of accepting what you believe is their just punishment this would absolutely insult you.
Looking forward to where this goes.
DB Multiverse page 1823
This is a saiyan household - so it's only natural that 'beating' would be an even bigger part of child-rearing than it would be in human household (pretty normal thing for most of our history)
And this isn't bra spilling milk for the umpteenth time. It's her murdering friends and family for the umpteenth time. It's absolutely natural for Vegito to be extremely angry after the many warnings he has given her. I think even in a normal family household a slap or a physical altercation between parent and child wouldn't be very out of place - let alone in a household where they fight each other for fun and training anyway.
The 'you dare' makes sense also - if you are a father and you are punishing your child physically for bad behaviour (putting aside if you should or not, again fictional Saiyan vs real Human) if that child raises their hand against you instead of accepting what you believe is their just punishment this would absolutely insult you.
Looking forward to where this goes.
Tombo
4 Dezember 2020
Would be cool if it turns out this happens all the time and every time Vegito wishes everybody back and all memories wiped, including Bra because every time it happens she hates herself and loses her drive and Vegito wants her to keep trying to get stronger.
DB Multiverse page 1816
Tombo
21 November 2020
I'm on board with the 'it's within character to be mad and warn Vegeta, but he wouldn't say he would kill him in front of his kid' crowd.
Even going on the assumption that both Gohan and Vegeta knew 100% that the attack would pose no risk or cause potential damage, Gohan would be mad because Pan could not know this. This is made very clear in the special itself.
However, because it's made so clear that Pan is not used to seeing them like this, I'm also inclined to believe that Gohan puts a lot of effort into shielding Pan from the more 'violent' aspects of her environment - including threats of violence.
Therefore, I feel like he would imply the 'threat' in a way Vegeta would understand, but Pan would not.
Sure there have been moments where Gohan threatened to kill somebody, but this is usually only after that person has murdered quite a few people Gohan cares about and shows no sign of stopping. Not entirely the case here.
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DB Multiverse page 1811
Even going on the assumption that both Gohan and Vegeta knew 100% that the attack would pose no risk or cause potential damage, Gohan would be mad because Pan could not know this. This is made very clear in the special itself.
However, because it's made so clear that Pan is not used to seeing them like this, I'm also inclined to believe that Gohan puts a lot of effort into shielding Pan from the more 'violent' aspects of her environment - including threats of violence.
Therefore, I feel like he would imply the 'threat' in a way Vegeta would understand, but Pan would not.
Sure there have been moments where Gohan threatened to kill somebody, but this is usually only after that person has murdered quite a few people Gohan cares about and shows no sign of stopping. Not entirely the case here.
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Tombo
18 November 2020
Arcady Picardi sagte:
Tombo was saying: Damnb I love this froggy b*stard! Keep up the amazing work
I'm from Belgium, a cooler cousin of the Froggies. That's an important point :p
I'm from Belgium, a cooler cousin of the Froggies. That's an important point :p
In that case if I ever run into you in Belgium I'll buy you a beer of your choosing
From
A guy living in Vlaanderen
Tombo
17 November 2020
Arcady Picardi sagte:
DrewSaga was saying: I just realized something, didn't Gast do the same thing with Cold's death ball in the U7 special?
Actually my idea was the same with a small difference but really important for me:
Ghast vanished the attack of King Cold when Gohan crushes the Big Bang Attack from Vegeta.
The idea is the same, the mind is different.
Bacon-Man was saying: does picardi have his own webtoon i really wouldnt mind knowing
I don't have a webtoon but you can read somme comics that I make on my facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/ArcadyF.Picardi
The point is that's in french, you have to translate.
You can fin the first chapter of a story that I want to edit: "Galaktika, Space Spartan", She's the brutal rage, the one that pushes you to smash a pillow when you're angry. She's the feeling of thrilling power when you're facing a thousand of adversaries in GOD of WAR. She's the scream that echoes in your voice when you're singing "KICKSTART MY HEART" by Mötley Crüe and the epic that goes through you when you're listening "Trought the fire and flames" by DragonForce. She's small, had an insane strengt and solves everything in the most badass way possible.
And if you don't like it well ... she's screw you.
By the way, there'is really an easter egg about "Mask of Zorro" who's one of my favorites movies. I tried to make Gohan a perfect father with a strong aura like Mufasa in "Lion King"
I drew that scene to show you what moment I thought when I creat my interpretation of Gohan
I like you're enjoying my chapter, I read your comment with google translate. I can't answer you all time because I don't speak really good english.
Continue to comment every pages, it's a real pleasure for me ^^
Thanks all of you!
Actually my idea was the same with a small difference but really important for me:
Ghast vanished the attack of King Cold when Gohan crushes the Big Bang Attack from Vegeta.
The idea is the same, the mind is different.
Bacon-Man was saying: does picardi have his own webtoon i really wouldnt mind knowing
I don't have a webtoon but you can read somme comics that I make on my facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/ArcadyF.Picardi
The point is that's in french, you have to translate.
You can fin the first chapter of a story that I want to edit: "Galaktika, Space Spartan", She's the brutal rage, the one that pushes you to smash a pillow when you're angry. She's the feeling of thrilling power when you're facing a thousand of adversaries in GOD of WAR. She's the scream that echoes in your voice when you're singing "KICKSTART MY HEART" by Mötley Crüe and the epic that goes through you when you're listening "Trought the fire and flames" by DragonForce. She's small, had an insane strengt and solves everything in the most badass way possible.
And if you don't like it well ... she's screw you.
By the way, there'is really an easter egg about "Mask of Zorro" who's one of my favorites movies. I tried to make Gohan a perfect father with a strong aura like Mufasa in "Lion King"
I drew that scene to show you what moment I thought when I creat my interpretation of Gohan
I like you're enjoying my chapter, I read your comment with google translate. I can't answer you all time because I don't speak really good english.
Continue to comment every pages, it's a real pleasure for me ^^
Thanks all of you!
Damnb I love this froggy b*stard! Keep up the amazing work 1 Antworten
Tombo
22 Oktober 2020
Damn nice art.
I also just got the reason for the time chambers existence. Don't have to draw any backgrounds!
DB Multiverse page 1798
I also just got the reason for the time chambers existence. Don't have to draw any backgrounds!
Tombo
16 Oktober 2020
Tharos sagte:
Why don't they ask Shenlong to limit Bra's power?
Or they could ask him why she's going insane in SSJ2 form.
Or they could ask him why she's going insane in SSJ2 form.
Considering the dragon was unable to impact Vegeta and Nappa due to their overwhelming power - I feel like there's really nothing he could do to Bra on any level.
Tombo
13 Oktober 2020
Also, what are the chances Bra calming down - realising she lost control again and just straight up taking her own life?
DB Multiverse page 1794
Tombo
13 Oktober 2020
Here for the Obligatory 'Asura Is Amazing' post
Really great. I like where this is going - good writing as usual from Salagir.
It puts it in perspective - If she keeps going crazy there really is nothing to it for Vegito besides putting her down before she gets stronger than him.
Wouldn't even be too terrible considering we know there is an afterlife. Although, I wonder if there is a way to use the DBs to siphon away her powers instead.
DB Multiverse page 1794
Really great. I like where this is going - good writing as usual from Salagir.
It puts it in perspective - If she keeps going crazy there really is nothing to it for Vegito besides putting her down before she gets stronger than him.
Wouldn't even be too terrible considering we know there is an afterlife. Although, I wonder if there is a way to use the DBs to siphon away her powers instead.
Tombo
17 September 2020
Just posting to say that this page shows a MARKED improvement on the art throughout this special.
Very nice growth dsp27 - the experience you've gained shows already.
DB Multiverse page 1783
Very nice growth dsp27 - the experience you've gained shows already.
Tombo
14 Februar 2020
Son Star???? sagte:
Dude was saying: I assume Gohan was going to say that Babidi had the stronger willpower over Bra. Which makes sense. Despite being weak Babidi is an extremely powerful magician with a powerful will.
Bra is a troubled teenager whose scared of her own power that she cannot control. Bra also was recently body snatched and never had time to process how much that affected her mentally.
When this is over Bra is going to be mentally traumatized over what Babidi made her do by removing all her restraints and emotions.
MUI was saying: No @salagir. This girl doesnt need to get out of control of Babidi by killing her brother. This girl deserves a terrible death. Nothing more nothing less. If she gets away with this then I would call it injustice. You cant have a person let kill so many innocent people and get away with it. At DBZ everybody got their punishment for these actions. Heck even our Vegeta got tortured and killed (by Frieza).
So please dont let this murderous girl get away with this.
Vegeta still has a way larger bodycount than her. So does Freiza. And Cell. Hell, so does Piccolo.
And she won't get away with it. When the Majin Seal leaves she'll have to face the fact that she killed the brother who raised her. Bra has also shown that she geniunely loves her family and that she is very afraid of her own power because she loses control. Such as when they fought Zen Buu in space she lost all will to fight after accidently hurting her family.
You also forget that the Majin Seal took away all her emotions, free will, and restraints while amplifying negative emotions to the 11th degree. Bra would never intentionally hurt her family - let alone kill them. That's just not who she is.
Blaming her for what Babidi did to her and is making her do is wrong. Bra isn't in control of her actions.
On another note... Your zealous thirst for violence against Bra is highly disturbing.
dbz153 was saying: Bra I’m sorry I know u are under babidi control but what u did here is unforgivable in every way possible And unlike you at least vegeta hesitated to kill his own child dude and I really fucking hope someone kills u in the next chapter until revival I mean it’s for the best really you have too much power handed to you and personally you don’t deserve that power I got an idea what should happen when this is all over how about someone wish that bra powers get restricted for her Not to use but when the time comes where u deserve to use it only for good purposes and not ever willingly use it again
Vegeta was WAY older when he went Majin. Vegeta also baited Babidi to do it.
Another note is that Vegeta has already slaughtered millions, he blew up planets full of people.
Ergo Vegeta had far more control with his darkness. He embraced it.
Bra on the otherhand was asleep when Babidi attacked and she was mentally drained from the bodyswap ordeal that traumatized her. Bra is also absolutely horrified of losing control and deathly afraid of hurting her family. Bra is also very prideful and the fact that she cannot master and control her power is her greatest shame.
That and Bra is like 16. She isn't as mentally mature as Vegeta, a grown adult, was.
Not to mention that this entire tournament has only been through a few days.
During that time...
Bra watched her beloved lil Sis/Niece, Pan, die.
Bra couldn't stop herself from killing Zangya.
Bra lost control in space and badly hurt Gohan and Vegito. This gave her a BSOD.
Then the bodyswap business.
And recently forced into being a Majin at her weakest mentally.
Bra has been through a ton of BS, it's no wonder Babidi picked her besides just her power. Circumstances had aligned up perfectly for him to takeover her mind and will.
Redcommando was saying: If i were gohan after this i would no longer call us kin. Too much vegeta in this girl. I would be like stay away from me and my family forever. Anyone of yall who think she gets lienecy cuz babbadi id be like naw forget u
This is why Gohan is a stronger person than you.
He knows Bra isn't responsible for what's happening. He won't blame her because that isn't the type of person that he is.
Unlike you Gohan will only blame the one responsible - Babidi.
Maybe Zen Buu too for helping to make this happen.
Another thing....get off of Vegeta. How you gone sit and defend B** Bra at every angle. But put down others? Yes, Vegeta has a higher body count, he couldn't help the way(violence) of his people as a child or being under Frezia's control. Vegeta was a child when Frezia murdered his father, and all his people and home planet even after doing everything he was told. Not that Vegeta paints himself as a victim. But you can't deny that he has suffered years of damage physically and mentally.
And you want to sit her and play the mentally damage card for Bra over one little tournament? By your logic...
That's pathetic...that all the more makes her unfit to even succeed Vegito. Bra had a good childhood better than most. Hell her childhood was far better than Gohan's(especially Gohan's) even Goten and Trucks. You dont see none of them breaking.
Also bra was more mentally drained than anything not traumatized...because if she's traumatized over a little competition she's not gone make it in DBZ.
Note: Since the fight she's ate like 9 Senzu she should be mentally good.
How is she not responsible for what's happening?
How does she not have free will? When she stuck Babidi in a space bubble against his will. She has a form of will and to make her own choices.
How does she not have emotions? She's been showing emotions the whole time?
The way you interpret this comic amazes me unless you just making excuses cause you like her character.
Bra is a troubled teenager whose scared of her own power that she cannot control. Bra also was recently body snatched and never had time to process how much that affected her mentally.
When this is over Bra is going to be mentally traumatized over what Babidi made her do by removing all her restraints and emotions.
MUI was saying: No @salagir. This girl doesnt need to get out of control of Babidi by killing her brother. This girl deserves a terrible death. Nothing more nothing less. If she gets away with this then I would call it injustice. You cant have a person let kill so many innocent people and get away with it. At DBZ everybody got their punishment for these actions. Heck even our Vegeta got tortured and killed (by Frieza).
So please dont let this murderous girl get away with this.
Vegeta still has a way larger bodycount than her. So does Freiza. And Cell. Hell, so does Piccolo.
And she won't get away with it. When the Majin Seal leaves she'll have to face the fact that she killed the brother who raised her. Bra has also shown that she geniunely loves her family and that she is very afraid of her own power because she loses control. Such as when they fought Zen Buu in space she lost all will to fight after accidently hurting her family.
You also forget that the Majin Seal took away all her emotions, free will, and restraints while amplifying negative emotions to the 11th degree. Bra would never intentionally hurt her family - let alone kill them. That's just not who she is.
Blaming her for what Babidi did to her and is making her do is wrong. Bra isn't in control of her actions.
On another note... Your zealous thirst for violence against Bra is highly disturbing.
dbz153 was saying: Bra I’m sorry I know u are under babidi control but what u did here is unforgivable in every way possible And unlike you at least vegeta hesitated to kill his own child dude and I really fucking hope someone kills u in the next chapter until revival I mean it’s for the best really you have too much power handed to you and personally you don’t deserve that power I got an idea what should happen when this is all over how about someone wish that bra powers get restricted for her Not to use but when the time comes where u deserve to use it only for good purposes and not ever willingly use it again
Vegeta was WAY older when he went Majin. Vegeta also baited Babidi to do it.
Another note is that Vegeta has already slaughtered millions, he blew up planets full of people.
Ergo Vegeta had far more control with his darkness. He embraced it.
Bra on the otherhand was asleep when Babidi attacked and she was mentally drained from the bodyswap ordeal that traumatized her. Bra is also absolutely horrified of losing control and deathly afraid of hurting her family. Bra is also very prideful and the fact that she cannot master and control her power is her greatest shame.
That and Bra is like 16. She isn't as mentally mature as Vegeta, a grown adult, was.
Not to mention that this entire tournament has only been through a few days.
During that time...
Bra watched her beloved lil Sis/Niece, Pan, die.
Bra couldn't stop herself from killing Zangya.
Bra lost control in space and badly hurt Gohan and Vegito. This gave her a BSOD.
Then the bodyswap business.
And recently forced into being a Majin at her weakest mentally.
Bra has been through a ton of BS, it's no wonder Babidi picked her besides just her power. Circumstances had aligned up perfectly for him to takeover her mind and will.
Redcommando was saying: If i were gohan after this i would no longer call us kin. Too much vegeta in this girl. I would be like stay away from me and my family forever. Anyone of yall who think she gets lienecy cuz babbadi id be like naw forget u
This is why Gohan is a stronger person than you.
He knows Bra isn't responsible for what's happening. He won't blame her because that isn't the type of person that he is.
Unlike you Gohan will only blame the one responsible - Babidi.
Maybe Zen Buu too for helping to make this happen.
Another thing....get off of Vegeta. How you gone sit and defend B** Bra at every angle. But put down others? Yes, Vegeta has a higher body count, he couldn't help the way(violence) of his people as a child or being under Frezia's control. Vegeta was a child when Frezia murdered his father, and all his people and home planet even after doing everything he was told. Not that Vegeta paints himself as a victim. But you can't deny that he has suffered years of damage physically and mentally.
And you want to sit her and play the mentally damage card for Bra over one little tournament? By your logic...
That's pathetic...that all the more makes her unfit to even succeed Vegito. Bra had a good childhood better than most. Hell her childhood was far better than Gohan's(especially Gohan's) even Goten and Trucks. You dont see none of them breaking.
Also bra was more mentally drained than anything not traumatized...because if she's traumatized over a little competition she's not gone make it in DBZ.
Note: Since the fight she's ate like 9 Senzu she should be mentally good.
How is she not responsible for what's happening?
How does she not have free will? When she stuck Babidi in a space bubble against his will. She has a form of will and to make her own choices.
How does she not have emotions? She's been showing emotions the whole time?
The way you interpret this comic amazes me unless you just making excuses cause you like her character.
Sorry SonStart - Poster 'Dude' has made some great posts and observations on the character and motivations of Bra in comparison with other characters. There is nothing inherently wrong with user Dude liking Bra as a character ( I do too ), but do not try to pretend you are unbiased in your opinion as it is clear that you dislike the character - which is also fine.
Just to respond to some of your points
Comparing Bra to Vegeta does not mean user dude is implying Vegeta is a bad character - just that there are clear parallels to vegeta's earlier (younger) behaviour and that of Bra. Keep in mind, she is his daughter also.
Yes Vegeta had a stacked deck against him morally, people know and accept this and that's why he's considered a good character today - because he overcame these odds (eventually... partially...). Keep in mind that Bra is still in the beginning of that journey.
She has a different upbringing, which you might argue is less harsh than Vegeta, but also remember that Vegeta's biggest challenge was his violent nature and quest for power that is natural for all Saiyans. Vegeta enjoyed the fighting, murder etc and would have gladly done so without Freeza's influence as is shown in any of the multiverses where the saiyans won or Freeza was never an influence.
Bra shares all of these saiyan traits. She is much more in touch with her Saiyan side than a Trunks, Goten, Gohan ever were.
So in her case, imagine being a Saiyan - wanting to fight and struggle, but there's not a lot to actually challenge you. Your father is the strongest being ever, he's alway there to save the day (he is still actively chasing any challenge he can find as well) so even if there was something to challenge you, your Dad would want to fight it.
So the two main motivators every Saiyan faces and must overcome, she cannot do. She will more than likely never the be the strongest and she can't challenge herself.
Combine that with her human challenges - being a teenager, having a brother that is preferred over you, having an absentee father, having a father that overshadows you significantly etc. All of this does lead to a pretty tough upbringing, especially because she has no outlet she can rage against like Vegeta had.
So her mental state is not a product of the tournament alone - it's everything from before that which just wasn't spelled out as much because dbm can't afford to give her the same airtime vegeta had on 10 years of dbz.
Senzu beans are also never stated to heal any kind of mental damage or scarring. Heck, Senzu beans don't even heal regular scarring - just look at Yamcha and Tien.
The reason she is not responsible for what is happening is the fact that she has been majinized which is pretty much just mind control and increasing all evil intents and diminishing all good intents.
This is just the explanation - it's simple mind control. It's easy to think 'vegeta broke free, anybody can if they are cool enough' but the simple fact is that Vegeta is cannonically the only person to ever break the Majin seal. That we know of. Babidi was shocked he managed it and there has been no indication from multiverse Babidi that he was expecting somebody else could do it.
And again, bra is like 15/16 here, she is about 20 years of development behind Vegeta when he broke the seal - something he planned to do from the moment he let babidi take him over.
How is she not responsible for what's happening?
Sure - don't like the character, but from my point of view you are clearly biased against her and don't like anything to do with her. This arc is far from boring and she's plays her role of villain very well. Just look at the guttural responses she illicit from people like you that just NEED her to get her come uppance. That's a good villain.
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Sprache
Was just about to say the same after scanning comments first. Fairly certain she is their mother.