I am starting to think dbm hates vegito.

Lost easily against xxi
1 shot kill by ikl
Was not able to defeat Majin buu
Put in place by ghast.

King Kai training aside, Tien never had his potential unlocked nor traveled to space for training in the original timeline and yet was able to hold back semi perfect Cell. He should be the strongest of the 4 imo.

The earthings should be far above Nappa and Radditz. Interested to see how this shakes out. Still feel like the Z warriors smack Nappa and Radditz and Vegeta angrily intervenes, which will lead to a battle with Gohanasu

Oh wow Yamcha got a hit in.

Unfortunately that may have been a mistake since Raditz is probably miles stronger than the original stories Raditz.

The pose of Raditz, looks like a reference to his first fight against Piccolo and Goku, maybe is intentional? Nice touch! :D

https://imgur.com/qbVvbhu



TheN was saying: Yamcha is going to one-shot kill Raditz and we'll have Nappa go "VEGETA! Put the scouter back on and tell me what the scouter says about their power level!"
Ahahahah I would like that xD
"Tenshinan! Those saiyans are made of cardboard! Kick their butts!" xD

So epic. Like DBZ back in the day.
I get major Piccolo vs Imperfect Cell vibes from their first encounter.

It never made sense to me for them to take the scouters off. Like I understand not trusting their initial power level, but you would want it on to see any increases when they do go all out. By taking them off you become blind to what their current power is. (Yes, this is nitpicky, and was an issue in the OG manga, not this one!)

(...) I'm wondering if Goku will interject by talking to Gohan through King Kai.

Seriously, why didn't Roshi ever learn how to fly? Even up until DBS, but it did make for a funny joke.. Kind of.

Next we get "Broly from U20 did his best"

Damian Qualshy was saying: Oh so it's IKL aka DIO reference not Chibaku Tensei.

And hell yeah, KotH.
Don't expect a Naruto ref. >I've never watched it.

Here a statement from Xman34 (french comment section), the colorist who did this change of Son Bra in the third panel. Translated from french to english for you :)

Hello, I hope you like this page.

I wanted to modify panel 3 a little, to pay tribute to the character of Bra with a slightly more worked drawing and a better design.
I based myself on an old artwork of Gogeta Jr that I customized.

Attention: I want to add, that no one wants to replace or criticize (or minimize) the incredible drawings of Gogeta JR over the entire period where he participated in DBM.
Let's take it as a bonus and a desire simply for the DBM colors team to push certain aspects a little further.

A+

This powerscaling is even worse then Dragonball Heroes lol. Janemba got one shotted by SSJ Gogeta, but now he can take hits from a Broly that is giving a challenge to SSJ3 Gogeta? Rofl. Why not make Krillin equal to SSJ2 Gohan?

This comic is a one big fever dream, like the Yamoshi one. Stuff just happens on a whim, and while I understand action is cool it just doesn't make sense.

What‽‽‽

Damn, what a technology! Ship in two weeks. And they supposed to be "early, stupid sayians" ;)

Didn't Braaca regenerate from the three on one attack he took earlier? If his immortality is regenerative in nature, shouldn't he simply regenerate from this too?

Wow I've never been this early. Anyways, my prediction is Gast is far more powerful than this, but he's making himself seem weaker so he can catch XII off guard.

I'd absolutely be on board for a spinoff prequel series with this guy.

aww he brought out Daddy's sword. Or did he steal it from Janemba?

Guess Piccolo will be joining the split personalities club like Ghast is on the main comic.

Yeah he obviously got a power up, because this didn't go for long enough.

Okay what is it referencing

But what can he do against immortality?

The last panel reminds of Nae from Steins;Gate (the VN). I think Phipsil is in big trouble.

I told you. Breezing right past Vegito reacting to literally being shattered just for the status quo to return. Nothing ever has any consequences

I'm not sure how I feel about this comic. I mean, its Mario and Dragon ball: whats not to love?

But it's all over the place and the pacing is...well...questionable I guess.

I kind of expected his aura to be brighter not gonna lie. Though it doesn't take away from the epicness of SSJ3 Vegetto.

Even Broly had to look at this and be like, "gg".

Sigh... You know what is worse about the story? All the things that have being teased for something exciting were pointless.

Raditz has being sitting in our time for more 10 years to have his potential unlocked for what? One bonus chapter that leaded to nothing.
Ik'll was teased since the beginning for what? 1 chapter defeated by Yamcha with no development from anyone.

Kaioshin using fingers to teleport?

ZenBuu was saying: BMS was saying: But alas, at least it's about over it seems, and will be another one to File 13 just like the early Bojak specials haha.
I think its really funny and ironic that you say this, while having a pfp of the first Bojack special, that you seem to dislike so much. ;D

MysticVegito was saying: ZenBuu was saying: Dear god, as soon as Gohan appears on the screen, all the negative comments start again...I'm so glad we are nearly done with this special. Reading most comments during this special was super awful and no fun anymore.

My dude, it's not the fact that Gohan appearing on screen that pisses people off, far from it, but his behavior and dialogue that he spouts what is prompting those negative comments, especially since the distasteful Baba segment. Also, this isn't the first time in DBM's history where you have a backlash for the story direction, be it specials or tournament, but if other specials are written in this way, then prepare yourself for far more negative comments. Just saying.
My dude...it's the fact that people get "pissed off" about this in the first place. Some people here take this way too serious. I love DB too, otherwise I wouldn't be here and part of the DBM team. But this is still a free to read webcomic about Dragon Ball ffs. I almost get the feeling some people here feel insulted on a personal level by what they see and now they feel the need to shit on almost everything that gets released here. I see people here complain every day, on nearly every page. Funnily, most of them only leave negative comments, never something positive. They are weirdly silent during some pages, when they have nothing to complain about. Coincidence? I think not.

Also strangely, me and many others don't have a problem with this special or Salagir's writing decisions in general. Weird, huh? Does that mean we have no idea how DB works? Is our opinion wrong now? Are all the negative comments necessarily wrong because of that? No, not really. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But there is still a thin line that gets crossed many times by people (on both sides tho).

And before this comes up again, no we don't only want asskissers here, you can obviously criticise if you really feel the need to, but do it respectful. I've seen people flat out insulting Salagir and calling all of his writing "garbage/trash" etc. And people who defend it/like the story, are pathetic. They even go on a personal level with the insults. No joke, these comments were made.

You said yourself, "But who am i to dictate your writing decisions? shrug" sorry to say it harsh like that now, but you definitively will NOT dictate any writing here. This is still Salagir's story and he can do whatever he wants. Wether you like it or not. Agree to disagree, but do not blindly jump on a hate train while being super disrespectful (not talking about you here, just generally) to the author or people who enjoy this special/story. But sure, I'm always prepared for "far more negative comments".....

WukongTheMighty was saying: BMS was saying: Daiko was saying: Man this special was boring. Really sucked.

Yeah I kinda have to agree with this. From the weird Baba segment, to Gohan just completely crapping himself constantly, this special has just kind of...."been a thing". What was the point of divergence from this timeline and the Future Timeline? The Roshi bike race? Just a lot of questions that don't really matter as this was written pretty poorly. But alas, at least it's about over it seems, and will be another one to File 13 just like the early Bojak specials haha.
No no, this special occured in all of the Future Universes, not just the one where the androids won.
Baba told Gohan to eat shit and die face down in a puddle in despair in 3 of the 20 universes we see in DBM.

At least we learned...
wait, what DID we learn from this special, anyway? That Baba is a terrible person in the DBMverse?
You can't stop that overly sarcastic attitude of yours, huh? It's actually really ridiculous by now ngl. ;P

YellNinja1600 was saying: I didn’t read what anyone above me said but why is Roshi dead if this special also covers Universe 12?

But even in the Kakarot game Roshi was alive in his submarine.
Maybe you should read the comments then. The answer is literally here in the comments of this page...by Salagir himself.

And since when do we take DBZ games as canon? That's hilarious tbh xD

Razmalian was saying: I feel like everyone forgets so much about Gohan because all they see is the image they made up in their heads off of like 3 moments they liked and NOTHING ELSE.

Gohan was NEVER a fighter.

Gohan NEVER enjoyed fighting.

Gohan was ALWAYS terrified of violence when he was younger.

Gohan was USUALLY fairly quick to give up.

Gohan was NEVER going to be as good as Goku, nor as stubborn as Vegeta, nor as mentally sound as Piccolo, nor as patient as Roshi, nor as determined as Trunks would later be forced to be.

GOHAN. IS NOT. A SAIYAN. He is a Saiyan HYBRID of a Human.

Humans give up when facing a superior power. Hell, humans will do ANYTHING to live, even if it means hiding and living like trash.

But Humans will even fight on if it's meaningless, for no other reason than because they HAD to.

Gohan isn't this "I'll save the world!" Superman-esqe being y'all made up. He's just a scared child trying to make sense of a world full of violence he never wanted nor can do anything about. He doesn't have Goku's drive nor Vegeta's pride. He doesn't have Chichi's fury nor does he have her determination.

The reason Gohan fought for so long is literally ONLY BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE COULD. The human side of him won't let Trunks and Bulma try to handle things while he leaves to train - and this means fighting as hard for as long as possible and hoping he can one day defeat them before they kill everyone. He doesn't have Piccolo, Roshi, Vegeta, Krillin, Goku or even Yamcha or Tien to guide and help him. He has no one, no way to see the future and no way to win.

Do you wanna know why he fought in the past?

When he flipped out against Raditz, all he wanted was to help his dad so he could go home from this scary situation. He had his dad with him and seeing him hurt broke his temper so bad it caused his power to explode for the first time.

When he fought against the Saiyans, he knew Goku would arrive some time that day. For him, all he had to do was help buy time for Goku to come back - he never once intended to fight Nappa and Vegeta, nevermind the Saibamen that sprouted up unexpectedly. All of those losses hurt him pretty badly, and his snapping at Nappa was just a childish outburst, expected when the only "family" you've had for nearly a year, your friends and father's friends are falling left and right. He had Goku to rely on for hope - if he stayed long enough, his dad would come, and all would be well again. That was his hope.

When he fought on Namek, he only did so because he saw a way to help his dad and bring back those who had died. I'm gonna break down the Namek time because it's actually pretty cool but still nothing like Gohan's true self:

>Against the aliens (Freeza Force), he wanted to slip by, get the Dragon Balls, wish everyone back, and leave. No intention of Red Ribbon-ing the Freeza Force, because eventually, his dad would come.

>Against Dodoria, who could stand idly by and let some innocent child be slain again? Remember, he's still a child - but he's also Human. Familial bonds are very strong with Humans. You yourself wouldn't let some bully attack a child while you could stop it, right? In this case, this one was all Gohan - though what followed was pretty standard for Gohan. I don't think he could've won against Dodoria (at that time) - though I could honestly be wrong. Regardless, the aim is the same - stall for time, get the Dragonballs, resurrect everyone, wait for daddy.

>Against the Ginyu Force, he KNEW Goku was on his way. Things happened too fast, so Gohan of course had to fight. His thinking was that if he somehow survived here, his dad would come, everyone would come back and all would be well. Here we see Gohan's own personal pride come out for the first time, though to be brutally honest even this isn't Gohan's will to fight here, moreso a will to stand against everything going against him. He's still part human, very stubborn, and his friend and Vegeta are down. (To be honest, that was a little too close. I think this is where the Saiyaman would eventually be born from.) Also, seeing his dad's body being stolen and losing his shit, yeah, THAT one was pure Gohan. Please don't steal his dad's body - Gohan is a terrified child, but he's also a terified Saiyan child with lots of repressed trauma. You can't afford that bill.

>Against Freeza himself, well, this again stems from his hope in his father. Hold out long enough for Goku to recover and let his dad take care of things (though to be honest he'd probably have pitched in because by now he's aware he can at least help, at least until Freeza started transforming, and then things just went off a cliff). In this, he had hope in his father (and later fear because his father had NEVER been this angry before in Gohan's entire life, but to be fair, who wouldn't be scared??).

>The fight against Vegeta afterwards is sorta a mix between a tantrum, outrage, fear for his father and outright peak anger boiling over. I kinda wish Gohan had won tbh - Vegeta needs to be down a few million pegs.

>Against Freeza and Cold, he was ABSOLUTELY ready to fight. The reason? His dad was on his way. That, and he'd grown a lot. But he still HATED violence, HATED fighting and HATED having to harm others. He's still a child, after all.

>Against the Androids, well.....yeah. Awkward. But he still had hope. Well, had hope. Until Vegeta (and then Krillin) literally fumbled the nuclear footballs. Though honestly, I don't blame Krillin as much as I genuinely despised Vegeta for what he did. The fuck, man.

>Against Cell, well, he was hoping his dad was kidding about Gohan being stronger than him and that his dad would eventually win. Allow me to remind you he is still a child, it's okay to be naive. Things went....uh, wow. What a train wreck. Firstly, Goku GIVES UP (WHAT), then nominates Gohan (wait WHAT), and then just as Gohan has decided to wear him down so he can deliver a decisive strike, Cell, suddenly....uh, loses all fatigue (and won't have to eat for like 10 days) (GOKU???????). And then, just as Gohan is forced to try and find the will to fight, an Android of all things tries to talk some sense into Gohan, and is promptly killed trying to lift his spirits. Right. So....Gohan, having FINALLY fucking had enough people die in front of him, loses his shit, and then loses his literal senses, commits infanticide, and damn near commits fratricide several times over, pulls a Vegeta and then also loses his arm to save Vegeta (of all people) (Wow Vegeta is doing a lot of damage, goddamn). Somehow, SOMEHOW he managed to pull through (only because again, his dad LITERALLY spoke to him from beyond to motivate him). He only succeeded because his dad helped him to.

>Against Bojack, I think that one still counts. His dad helped, sure, a lot actually, but once he realized he HAD the means to stopping them, there went Bojack's chance of stopping Gohan. To be honest, Goku could probably have fought Bojack and won. But Gohan (when fully determined to fight) is pretty much Goku's opposite - good luck, you should've fucking left long ago, because now you die. Don't touch his friends/family/world. (no really, please don't, he has Chichi's temper.)

>Against Buu, well....He felt he had no choice but to fight. After all, his father wouldn't go down without doing nothing. Surely, Son Goku's son could stop Buu before things got worse, right? That was his sole hope - stop it before the situation gets Vegeta'd. Fate is cruel for no reason.

>Against Buu, well....I mean, he WAS him. He was apparently also Vegeta because he not only lost his intelligence but also lost his sense of self. The rest is, uh...pretty self-explanatory. It all blew up in his face. Literally. It actually killed him this time.

[End of Z]

[Start of Super]

Against Freeza, well, he had to buy time. His dad would come, and so would Vegeta, so surely he could survive that long, right?...Right?

Against his Dad, he just...Actually, I think this one was literally just a refresher. And then his other half of him (his Saiyan half) woke up and he wanted the smoke. And I won't lie, that fight was fun to watch. It REALLY makes a difference how good his fights are when he's not forced to shoulder the burden of the entire solar system, huh?

Against Lavender, uh...yeah, pretty much every fight from here on out was just Gohan being Gohan - hyper intelligent and nearly impossible to break hope-wise. I mean, look what he did to Golden Freeza and later Dyspo (especially Dyspo, damn) once he had the chance to fight back. Good lord.

Even in the manga, he wasn't fighting to buy time, he fought to save the world (and the future) on his own. Though honestly he still holds hope, now just he includes himself in that hope too.

Even in GT he still fought for hope of a better future and he had people to rely on and help him.

But here, he has NO ONE. His last friend in this world that he could count on for reinforcement (and teaching) has died.

>His dad is dead to a virus no one saw coming nor could treat.

>Vegeta, someone Gohan really doesn't like, is dead.

>Krillin, Goku's oldest friend, is gone.

>Yamcha, his oldest rival, is gone.

>Piccolo, his only real teacher, is gone.

>And now Roshi, his true only teacher and beacon of wisdom, is dead.

He's too weak to save anyone.

He's too young to know what to do.

He's too unprepared to learn anything.

He's too scared to fight still. (He's still a child)

He's too dependent on everyone to go alone.

What could he possibly do now?

Who could he possibly ask for help?

Where could he possibly go?

When could he possibly train?

Why was he the only one left?

Why him?

There's no one left.

And soon (at this rate), there'll be no one left.

Gohan, a terrified child, forced to fight nearly all his life against odds he frankly never really had a chance against nor fully understood to begin with. Friends he really only knew through his dad, a Saiyan who he only really associates with because his father saw something with him that Gohan could never have seen, and a Namekian he only really looks up to because he has so little of his own life to pull from.

Gohan, with all of this, now alone because anything remotely close to him is now gone.

There's no hope for a child who never wanted a fight.

What could he possibly reasonably do?

And before you answer that, don't look at it through the BS lens of "a world made of cardboard". Look at it through the lens of a child finally realizing what his father's had to deal with and is unable to handle it anymore. Of all those connections gone for...well, nothing.

Of course Gohan would feel hopeless.

Not even Freeza was this bad.

This is who Gohan truly is. Given what's happening, can you even blame him?
I absolutely agree with you, good comment! :)

SuperSaiyan4Vegetto was saying: Thank you for at all of your work. I know this may not be worth as much but I know that we would basically have no content during this time if you didn't.
Anyway for what it's worth.
Well, you don't have to thank me personally, afterall this special was not made by me. ^^
But you can still enjoy DBM colors in the meantime. :)

Also, please do not double post, you can edit your posts!

Sarcasm? No, I'm not being sarcastic. If I was being sarcastic I'd have said something that wasn't true. That was me actively showing contempt for Baba. Aside from that, everything else I said was completely true. Gohan will end up as a corpse lying face down in a puddle. All of this build-up that doesn't relate either to Future Trunks or Future Bulma is kinda pointless because we know it goes nowhere.
Whatever arc that Gohan is being written to go through HAS no narrative pay-off. The narrative pay-off here is him dying pathetically off-screen thanks to underestimating 17.
That's not how satisfying stories are written and that is why people are being so critical towards this. We don't actively need to see Gohan go through all this suffering and start griping about how he wants to die and meet his family or whatever before apparently eventually getting over it and then going on a suicide mission to fight 17 and 18 to die anyway.
It's not good to expand out on Future Gohan because he has the opposite of a satisfying character arc, no matter what he does on the journey, it's doomed to failure.
Stories like this are just total bummers and it's been done too much in DBM already.

The first time we saw an "Everyone dies, everyone fails, everything sucks" universe special, it was pretty shocking in its own right, but when you keep doing it over and over it loses its impact. If that's the story that Salagir wants to write, that's the story Salagir wants to write, but I don't feel like it has near as much narrative impact as it could have. This is why Toriyama had an editor, people always underestimate the importance of somebody who can tell the main creative mind "No.".
For Dragon Ball even, you've got the Buu Saga where Toriyama had the most creative freedom because at that point he was the most popular mangaka like, literally ever.
It's not just Salagir or DBM or whatever, I'll point out problems in whatever story I read. Even if I enjoy it, being able to point out and discuss the flaws in a story is crucial for a healthy audience, as well as the growth of a writer.
Back to my point about Dragon Ball, the Buu Saga is easily the worst written Saga in Dragon Ball. People always try to say Dragon Ball Super is where Goku becomes a sort of thoughtless jerk, but in reality that was all set up by the Buu Saga. I'll mock Emo Gohan here, but that doesn't mean I won't mock Asshole Goku in the Buu Saga, where...
— "Gohan... if you interfere in this meaningless tournament match where you're watching the girl you like getting brutally beaten, you'll be disqualified from it!"
— He didn't care about Gohan getting his energy stolen
— He could've instantly used Super Saiyan 3 to defeat everyone on Babadi's ship rather than play literally into the villain's hands despite Kaioshin constantly stating how important it was that they didn't let Buu be resurrected. (Goku fucking around and not listening t Shin here indirectly leads to almost the entire planet temporarily dying)
— He could've used Super Saiyan 3 to instantly defeat Majin Vegeta by knocking him out.
— He could've used Super Saiyan 3 to kill Fat Majin Buu (He said that he would've been able to do this himself, but he wanted to give the eight year olds a shot. He thought Gohan was dead at the point he fought Buu, so it had to be the literal non-fighter children he wanted to fight chaos given form)
— Tried to bribe Old Kai with another man's wife. (Or well, not technically wife, it's never canonically been mentioned Vegeta and Bulma married)

I can't believe that the writer seriously made them forget that he's immortal.

they - do remember he is immortal right

the new team 3 star.

I bet piccolo is thinking "Here we go again."

Wonder how they're going to handle an immortal being.

MysticVegito was saying: Ok, seeing young Baba is something that didn't cross my mind in the slightest, and yet here it is :D
Here, let me make it better (or worse xD):



Art by Asura: link

Such a stupid out of character thing for Goku to say.

TrunksTheMighty was saying: Such a stupid out of character thing for Goku to say.
Confirmed that this is Goku Black.

He's explaining science in previous page is bull crap.

What has changed, exactly?

I didn't understand why "bakuhatsu" is definied as a "special technique"... it's the name given to simple energy rays, the ones that even simple sayian soldier can use. Perhaps in this future it is such a rare thing to be able to manipulate ki, that any simple ray is considered special? Let's see how it continues xD

I'm guessing this will later to be shown as planned and this is all an act

It seems that Mr. Koshi has a very violent political ideology.

Blonde dude needs to see a Dr with that arm and hand being in an unnatural position

Some sort of Tri Beam?

she was getting her butt kicked so hard she lost her boot....or he took it off because Kakkarot likes feet? he truely is an evil crazy version of Goku