Anyone else feel like these stories have been having a lot of holes in them lately?

Honestly as someone who doesn't take risks, plotting to overthrow the tournament with other universes seems way riskier after wishing for this power. 1 Replie(s)

Did he somehow open up his old Special beam cannon wound?

Yeah but they both lost right away too. Maybe the trick is to let him breathe a lot?

Mhm ^^ they're also great a capturing that dragonball vibe. It's the little things I love, like the way the biceps are drawn here between the three characters.

If Yamcha can't reach it in time I wonder if Nasu will block raditz' blast

In hindsight idk why I expected Launch before Puar.

Also Damn Chi-Chi is strong. Her husband was killed ten years ago and on that same day her child was abducted by the killer. Idk if I would have had the strength to keep going.

If I was Gohan/Nasu idk if I'd have the strength to face her, even though it wasn't his fault.

I love how this story is going!

I agree ^ I'm guessing Roshi, launch, Bulma, or chichi. Even in the main timeline they were ready to throw down, Gohan just sat on Vegeta before they could get there.

Though it's looking like Raditz and Nappa might be getting a little bit done with Vegeta in this timeline.

Omg I remember you from way back then! I've been following for about the same time. I remember you being a lot more active back in the day when the comment sections were pretty wild and somewhat angry.

Like you said this really is a great manga. Even with the loud critics, I don't imagine they would be so upset if they weren't so invested in the twists and turns of the story.

Okay I have been seeing people argue for years with this writer about their logic that the Mafuba becomes obsolete at a certain point; sorry for the long post but Imma hop on my soap box about this.

Isn't that the whole damn point of The Mafuba? It never succeeds and always makes the situation worse.

To me Toryama seemed to use the Mafuba as a critique of the notion of the Bushido tactics from WW2 Japan, and how killing oneself to protect loved ones or atone for mistakes -Is-Not-The-Answer-.

So the first time it's used is by Mutaito; he is heartbroken and feels guilty that Piccolo and his demons killed most of his students, so he invents this deadly move and uses it. He is essentially choosing to atone for the death of his students by sacrificing himself to stop Piccolo.

It did not work; Piccolo is back in a few centuries

When Roshi is telling the gang about this Tien takes it as this grand, noble sacrifice on the part of Mutaito; and as the answer to their problems. He even says "I have to experience it at least once" or something like that. Keep in mind Tien is pretty much the same age of those "Special Attack" units in WW2 Japan that did suicide missions.

Roshi, who is WAY wiser than anyone else in the show points out that it's not the answer, but in the end he uses it against Piccolo in an effort to save Tien and Chaotzu from getting killed fighting, and because he feels guilty over the (perceived) death of Goku and wants to atone like his master did.

He misses the jar and it doesn't work

It doesn't even work in detering Tien or Chaotzu, the latter of whom is then killed by Piccolo thanks (in part) to Tien.
Now Tien feels guilty about spending his life hurting people, and (in his eyes) failing Chaotzu and Master Roshi.
He decides to try it against Piccolo.

His Jar is cracked and his plan doesn't work
I kind of feel like this is meant to reflect the kamikaze pilot Takehiko Ena's story. He ended up surviving because his jet had engine troubles and was never able to take off.

Then Kami uses it against Junior; he had no intention of dying from the move, but...

Piccolo had made a counter measure against it and the Mafuba doesn't work

To me this kind of reflected the Showa generals who orchestrated Kamikaze attacks; they should have realized it was a dumb tactic and stopped using it. It was devastating early on in the war but by the end of WW2 these tactics were easier to identify for the Allied armies and kind of lost their effectiveness. Despite this Japan was still training Special Attack units up until the end of the war.

So, if The Mafuba was Akira Toryama's nod to Japan's use of Bushido/Special Spirit tactics (and propaganda) in WW2 then pointing out that it wouldn't work and straight up becomes obsolete at a certain level of power, Like this writer does, isn't just a valid argument.

it's the whole damn point of the technique.

Honestly the author here has done a great job on showing it. Chaotzu has been doing a lot here; he saved Tien's life, he's being using telekinesis to stop Nappa, and Vegeta even took notice of this a few pages ago (at least I thought he did). Listening to Tien and running away (and potentially pulling a Yajirobe and coming back for a sneak attack later) would have been such a better idea than using a move that they've never actually seen stop a threat and almost always ends in the death of the user. 1 Replie(s)

I'm still not convinced Raditz is the only one from universe 13 breaking rank. Kakarrot is a definite wild card. 1 Replie(s)

I guess this universe is really out of commission for now; Yamcha got to shine and krillin got some cool fights but I was still hoping to see more of them. 1 Replie(s)

Nah they've shown that this kaioshin is able to read minds; he did it to some of Freeza's soldiers the first night of the tourney.

He seems dumb enough to forget to use his powers though, or maybe it has flaws I in it like you said. 1 Replie(s)

So Dragonball has pretty defined lines for good and evil. For instance; Goku's Nimbus cloud wouldn't let an evil person on it, but he also can't fire the spirit bomb when he's in Super Sayain mode because his anger-based transformations make him a little more aggressive and less pure.

With that in mind, I know that Raditz couldn't fight this Kaioshin before, but if the Kaioshin acts out of anger, or with influence from Xii as people are pointing out, would Raditz then be able to kick booty?





This has me wondering how out of commission some universes are as well. Sure the Bojack Universe would be all done, but Universe 9 has arguably the wises Kaioshin who now has knowledge of other universes. Same with Zen Buu; now that The Universe Zero Kaioshins and Vargas have exposed the existence of other universes, as well as the existence of technology to travel between them, the ability for some of the entities they've invited to travel the multiverse may be inevitable.

The vargas stated that they're the only universe that can travel, but they don't even know why that is. We, the reader, also know that's hubris; Bulma was able to make a machine to break into other dimensions via time Travel.

Furthermore XXi seems to think that the Dragonballs would be enough to enable him to travel the multiverse; Someone as skilled as the elder Kaioshin may be able to do the same with the Bulma or the Dragon Balls in Universe 9, and I feel like Zen Buu getting back is only a matter of time. 2 Replie(s)

Woooo! 2,500 pages!

If this was physically printed there would probably be about 15+ Volumes at this point.
Dragon Ball by itself is 16 Volumes; that makes DBM as long as an official Dragon Ball series!

Technically it's longer running too; it started way before Battle of the Gods was a thing and has kept going after Dragon Ball Super went on hiatus.

I love how when it's come to the events involving old kaioshin it's been kept in that silly comic style of drawing

So the dragon said that they know Xii and he doesn't take risks.

Telling all of these combatants seems really risky to me. I mean aside from all the other variables he knows kaioshin can read and communicate with minds.

He must really be concerned about his fight with Goku to be going this far.

Ehh I mean he's offering something different than Babadi though. Babadi was just enslaving. Cell has stated that he is bored in his Universe and he needs challenges.
Xii would be offering him infinite challenges, infinite chances to fight Gohans, or push himself beyond what his Universe can give.

Honestly when I reason it like that to I can kind of See Vegetto behing on Xii's side too. Maybe that's why he just gave him a Xensu Bean.

Vegeta and Nappa might be on board for it, but I doubt kakarott will. I wonder if Vegeta will need to restrain him somehow for a while. 1 Replie(s)

Build and all that aside, it seems pretty unlikely that our stickler for the rules south kaioshin would murder these two before expelling them from the tournament. Especially since one of them is a Kaioshin.

That being said I wonder what he gains from riling up this kakarot. Maybe to get kakarot to rush to that apartment,attack south kaioshin, which would lead to his universe (and elder kaios "champion" against xxi) being expelled. 2 Replie(s)

Idk i feel like this is pretty in-line with Vegetto. They've built up that he does have a resentment to the Old Kai of his universe; neither of them trust the other after years of having to work together.

He's also starving, they've gone over how he burns more calories than he can consume. IF he ate all of the food in the tournament he would still be starving. Both of these were established like a decade ago in the writing.

He's also confident that while the Magician could try something, nothing would actually stick; he's immune to poison and in their last fight he just delayed Vegetto by (in his eyes) a matter of seconds.

Finally, we're looking at this through a reader's lense. We've known that he somehow goes beserk for years and that XXI can't be trusted because of factors the character doesn't know about. We're assuming it's a cursed bean because we're using those facts to conclude it; Vegetto doesn't have those facts. He has the brain of a very VERY starved sayain who was just offered the one thing in this universe that can sate him.

I feel like they haven't really tried as hard as they think they have on Gohan. These are Strangers to him, why would he join them? He knows they weren't there for Goku when he died, while the sayains were strong enough to Kill Goku and (for the most part) have accepted him.

You know what I think would help turn him?

If Vegeta...well if he "Vegetas" Nappa lol. That or if the Ox King, or Chichi were there. Though it's hard to imagine how Chichi kept going after what happened to her son and husband. 2 Replie(s)

I was expecting Cell to look a bit more monstrous without the Freeza DNA; looking back I'm not sure why. This was a pleasant surprise though!

Also, does the power of the Androids Cell absorbs affect their perfect form? Like These were likely energy absorbing models, so they would have been weaker than C17 and C18, but also not had the same energy source. Is this cell going to be weaker due to that?

For that matter, Piccolo can't survive being blown to tiny fragments, but Freeza can. Is this Cell going to be able to survive wide-ranged energy blasts like their doppleganger in other universes? 1 Replie(s)

I kind of see it as them having a bit of an over-reliance on the scouter that they are aware of. If they keep it on Vegeta is worried that, even against their better judgement, they'll fluster themselves over the readings and wouldn't react as quickly to a crucial attack.

Also there's our Uncle Nappa! Just so supportive of Nasu!

I do think there is something sweet in how proud the Sayains, but especially Nappa, seems to be of Nasu. Probably something there about the older Sayain General being happy he got to see a new generation sprout up at least one more time. 1 Replie(s)

It's said this one is ten years from the prior chapter. The prior chapter left off after Ghast was created and defeated Cold. That means that if this is Goten, the oldest he could be would be ten or eleven. That doesn't seem too likely since he's taller than teenage Videl and Sayains don't typically hit their growth spurts til their teen years.

So wait, Super Chicken's hair isn't naturally black, but from the pupils we can tell that he did just transform into super sayain, his pupils before this are black.
Does this mean that Sayains can bleach their hair? How many times did Super chicken have to bleach it to get a blondish color?

It may or may not be but we haven't seen his face, and he certainly talks like he's younger (saying "mister Cyborg). If you mean height, "Sayains stay small for a long time until they suddenly hit a crazy growth spurt!"

Gohan may have hit his right before Videl hits hers. 1 Replie(s)

Is that General Silver? 3 Replie(s)

Maybe, but I can't imagine this generation of androids is trained as martial artists, or even to use their strength when fighting humans. Plus it had its guard down for her.

You're kind of right but you could interpret there being a lot things they could have done differently leading up to that. Goku and Vegeta could have fused right off the bat, while they still had other fighters and more stamina. Maybe they could have utilized Janemba against Broly, they could have tried to heed the elder kai's warnings, and Buuhan could have not self-sacrificed.

What they don't show is it took this android 30 minutes to realize that's not the same human he was chasing. And that it is, in fact, not a human at all.

Oh god poor Chichi.

Since Bulma knows about Goku black we can assume this timeline and Trunks' original one are the same up to some point after his appearance.

Morro wouldn't have his magic; Majin Buu isn't dead, just sleeping since Trunks killed Babadi before he could wake. With Babadi dead, no one knows the spell to wake Buu. Supreme Kai might have been able to replicate it but he died fighting Daburah, which also killed Beerus.

Broly is likely on Vampa, and he won't be discovered there since Freeza wouldn't have had his soldiers scouting for talent. Instead, Freeza would stay dead, which means Granola would have no reason to wish to be the strongest and the Dragon Balls on that planet would stay undiscovered.

Wow i was way off; still love it being different!

Omg yes! I thought this would be such a better scenario than what they did in super. He went to a similar timeline to his in that it's either the one where Cell Killed him or one where Trunks never returned from the past, right?

Woo! I'm excited about the next special; I love the new version of the RR army and their Armada of androids.

I don't recall any of the dragons we've met looking like this, but this dragon does have some details of other ones we've seen. Maybe the reason the power is limited is because this is a sort of patchwork dragon, brought up by using different sets of dragon balls together?

This is a fun way to show different sides to the characters. Nappa seems pretty proud of Nasu 2 Replie(s)

I just noticed that while the three sayains still wear scouters, Nasu hasn't been shown using one. 2 Replie(s)

Other people have said it before but honestly this story feels like it'd work better and be more satisfying if it took place after Broly had been returns by the Vargas. (Almost) everyone in the universe was dead, and the otherworld had been planning and biding their time looking for any chance to spring on broly and revive themselves. They were worried that Broly, even in Ice, would sense their powers and awaken but when the varga came and got him that's when they took their chance.

Then All these tactics, sacrifices, and even the struggle SSj3 Gogeta is having would have made more sense and had more weight, right?

It's true! Most of those aren't participants anyways so it's not like the awards are for tourney members only. And she worked hard to smash those weaker majins! 1 Replie(s)

Bulma must have gotten the inspiration from Vegeta explaining some designs. The earliest we see this blue spandex/white armor with no shoulder pads is sayains wearing it on Vegeta.

Oh wow the art here is just so nice and neat.

I'm really pumped for the story too! The ending he got in DBS never sits right with me; I'm okay with his world being obliterated but the gods just breaking more time to put him in a duplicate world seemed so bizarre. Especially when there were timelines already made by Trunks that were trunkless. Like cell's original timeline.

Ohhh that's Clever; the title of the chapter was made to throw us off that this was the end!

I wonder if there is a universe out there where Babadi gave up on trying to revive majin buu, and instead focused on his true calling; making a killing off of a career as a fitness coach.

In that universe, the M stands for Muscle!

That also seems to be the canon in this comic; they go over in the exposition that they need a sudden shock to depower him, but between this and the power level set by Vegito in the main manga I don't think this is really following the established logic anymore.

It's weird right? Having a protagonist that's not liked is normal in stories, that's like the whole point of redemption arcs. And character wise she's pretty much just acted her age- like an angsty sayain teen.

And again, disliking general characteristics like she had in the majin arc are normal, and to us the reader with our reader knowledge it makes sense we'd say "uh-oh bra! This looks like a bad idea!"

But some people have always hated her for having any line of dialogue and I think that those people need to have a good hard think on why this fictional woman doing any single thing makes them so mad. 2 Replie(s)

I think this is spot on. As for why he won't just poof Goku to another dimension, he might not have that ability a second time. Maybe it's old rules where a dragon can't fulfill the same wish twice?

To be fair, pulling out crazy wins that no one expects is kind of a specialty of Goku's!

We also know that this thing isn't invincible. He was scared of Ghast(to a degree) and of Elder Kaio's abilities. 1 Replie(s)

Thank you for such a fun an Nostalgic adventure!

I can't tell if he was sandbagging there. The energy drain always seemed to be pretty harsh when android 19 and 20 used it. The only one who seemed unaffected was Vegeta, and he all but admits that was a bluff to scare Gero.

That being said, the Z fighters also seem to get their bearings pretty quickly after the drain stops. Plus I still think that running on fumes Ghast could take one of these androids. When Piccolo is talking to Gero in the original sub he pretty much states that the energy the androids drain doesn't make much of a difference since real fighters like Vegeta and Piccolo can focus, stretch, and utilize their own ki much more efficiently.

Thank you very much for the story! It was a delight! I loved your world building, I loved how you wrote Piccolo, and so much more. I'm excited to read your next comic!

Oh god I'm so excited about this. I really really hope this is mostly Slice of life style Dragonball stuff!!

Oh god am I not supposed to have one of those?

To be fair he said it was a horrible experience; and god if they failed to completely disentigrate him to the point that he could be restored imagine how much worse it'd be for him.

I like this ending to the arc! Leaving your enemies to contemplate how to kill you after being spared is the second step in the Goku school of making friends. Piccolo certainly knows that.

Piccolo's thoughts right now: "My Kami this is soooo much easier than punching. Why didn't I try using one of these on Goku?"

I don't recall Goku Making Janemba look as mad as he has here for Ghast. Ghast is probably a good bit stronger than Goku; not to mention power levels like that are hard to estimate. Even if he's on par with a experienced SSJ3, he doesn't have the drawback energy drain, he has a good head on his shoulder for problem solving, he seems to be more direct when he attacks, and his regeneration is through the roof.

Janemba is a trickster demon for sure though so it may not be an issue with power levels so much as an issue with Janemba's bizarre fighting abilities.

Besides, shock, awe and a higher power doesn't equate to being beat right?
Ghast was just as shocked at the techniques Hacthiyak pulled out and looked just as banged up, but he still pulled out a win. 1 Replie(s)

You guys are so freaking cool!!!!!!!

Spoiler alert: Having drunken and licked up several different varieties of Blood, Broly would later succumb to a variety of blood borne illnesses.

In the end it was not Goku and his friends that saved the universe, but a lack of knowledge on germ theory.

That actually wouldn't have worked! That's what Z-Buu tried on this exact Broly in the special about it.

You're right that he was doing this all to be extra though.
Zen Buu points out that Vegito could have used the advanced moves he learned with Bra but opted to do this the fun way. 1 Replie(s)

ehh idk. I always thought that Buu's absorption as more like addition while fusion was like multiplication.

If Buu absorbs Gotenks their power is Buu + Gotenks. If Vegeta and Goku Fuse their power is Goku * Vegeta. On top of that Buu can't access multiplier transforations like supersayain or other power ups. Goku is even admitting here that even though Z-Buu failed, their fusion might have worked. (We know it works thanks to DBM, but they don't. They're just rationalizing that it might have).

Plus if they had a year of prep time before acting on this anti-Broly plan they had time to learn that dance. 1 Replie(s)

I think they're just trying to show a more realistic post-pregnancy body.
You don't immediately lose the weight after a baby, and mothers will still have that belly.
It may just look a wee bit like it's deflated.

This Legendary Sayain's lifespan compared to the prior ones is still dramatically increased. In my own head cannon part of the reason this one survived is because he kept being shocked back into his dormant state by the Z Fighters and this allowed him to eventually recover and adapt to the strain.

Elder Kai just running away at the end xD

Just because we know the ending doesn't make it irrelevant. It seems to me that this is about World building- we get to see how some of the Major characters across DBM react to (to quote zen buu) "God-tier" fighters without the Z fighters present.
Plus Broly Doesn't have impenetrable Plot armor. He's beaten in the First round by Vegeto, we see him die in the U3 Special from Carbonite, and The Vargas are able to get rid of him pretty quickly with their gadgets.

Also, Broly is just cool. Sometimes things are just about things because they're cool.
I feel like that's the basis of 99% of Dragon Ball.

This joke worked so well because of the two days of theories people gave on it. xD I love how they poke fun at their own page-per-page release schedule.

I love that green tint everyone is in so much!

Funny and in character for the Ol'Demon King! I wonder if he's getting any De'javu.

I feel like this comics done a great job of breaking down the age old issue of Gohan having so much potential yet never being able to beat the Androids in this timeline, and playing on the importance of the master and pupil relationship.

What good is all of that raw potential if he doesn't know how to hone it?
In a way Goku and Vegeta's mental aptitude and fighting genius are more useful than Gohan's raw potential. 1 Replie(s)

It is an interesting dynamic; if anyone is equipped to help guide Gohan through feeling like this it would be Master Roshi. Imagine how he felt when Mutaito disappeared for training and he and Shin were the only ones who survived King Piccolo. 1 Replie(s)

Idk seems pretty in character with Goku to me. Nothing he said was that hard of a concept to understand, and he's been practicing martial arts since he was a small child. It makes sense he'd sound like a wizened monk. He kind of is!

Goku got that punch-smart good.

You know you have a point. People want to talk about how (prior to the newest DB movie) Gohan had the most potential and squandered it, but they always forget about Guldo. If he had just applied himself more and worked out those li'l legs he could have been the Captain of the Guldo Force! Or defeated Freeza, forming the Guldo Empire.

The Thing! THE THING! HE DID THE THING!
After years of waiting Yamcha finally did the thing! :D

Dammmm look at that leg reach! you know these two do their morning stretches!

God this makes me think of the time chamber special with Pan, Vegeta, Goku and Gohan, obviously because it shows us that u18 Pan was thinking here. She seemed surprised that u16 Gohan didn't stop this either and she seemed to imply in it that her dad would have stopped Bojack if it had been her.

For everyone questioning why Gohan didn't stop this, it's been really well explored by the writers of DBM. Really doesn't make this scene less difficult though????. The red hue on the silhouette really drove this home for me.

He gonna eat it!

Tambo is the ultimate mix, isn't he? He is a descendant of Sayains and the Triclops race, with ties to the Turtle School on his mother's side and the Crane School on his father's.

Omg that's brilliant! Especially with the neck snap Bojack does at the end of the last chapter. I know the DBM specials have always had an alignment with the upcoming chapter to bring something to reader's head, but doing it across the multiple comics on the website is so cool!

Although I'm worried that hunching over my computer and reading so many bojack stories to prep for this is making my neck a little stiff. Does anyone know a good chiropractor?

Damnit Jim they're murderers, not doctors!

I love the world-building this does; how long has the Frost Demon Dynasty been keeping peace in the galaxy?

Enjoy your break! Thank you for making this! It's been a blast to read!

So if it's not god ki, Whis the Angel is worried about it, and 4 universes away it caught Jiren's attention.
Is it Demon Ki?

omg I love this banter. It makes perfect sense for Goku and Vegeta.
Though not as much as I'm loving Handsome Whis and his ominous vibes. <3 <3 <3

Ahh the many powers of Angels. Ultra Instinct, Super Baby Delivery Magic, and Now a divinely perfect contour!

Dang, so does this mean Goku finally beat Vegeta in a match?

Man between this and Cell's fight with Gohan people just cannot anticipate elbows.
I guess when you get strong enough to blow up a solar system you just don't think elbowing will be a thing anymore.

It's like waiting for Christmas every other day.
I'm going to end visiting and re-reading this single page like 5 times before Friday XD

It goes to show how enveloping a story is when your clamoring to see every page.

You know they can bicker all they want but I bet those two besties are gonna be sitting together. 1 Replie(s)

You know in MVP Cell's defense He's been taking punches to the head for from superpowered warriors for 30 years. When you think of how many times his head has been blown up and regenerated it's a wonder he's not developed any short term memory issues. Given that I think his plan of punch things and be Gohan's friend but also punch gohan was pretty solid.

It really seems like Uub has been glaringly absent from this whole debacle. There was a portion of Buu teaching him magic at the time the others were fighting the cool guy.

Gosh King Piccolo is just having a really good day

I never got why people tried to measure DB characters by power level instead of by the amount of Os their blast puts in "doom" 2 Replie(s)

Honestly I really see both sides. This seems bad but it's probably exactly what Saiyans like Goku and Vegitto want, and I honestly don't think Buu would permanently kill any of them. On the other hand he is a bit too Chaotic Neutral for the likes of real peace keepers like Gohan or Trunks

As for DaiKaioshin- Buddy it's a tournament about fighting, how did you think it'd end XD

I think by god tier Buu literally means God tier- like anyone who is at or surpasses the level of a Supreme Kai 2 Replie(s)

It's true that he helps or hurts people at his own whim, but he never claimed to be in charge of his universe. If the Kaioshins hadn't interfered in the progression of the universe maybe something just a neat as Zen Buu could have popped up in theirs 1 Replie(s)

I my goodness I love the black smoke effect added on that was such a fun idea!

I do think this is the end of buu's fight.

We can also see pieces of him absorbing into the ball, but we know magic and power has trouble reaching closed apartment sections. Its not impossible because babadis telepathy could reach, but not his harder to use teleportation spell. I think he'll still be around a little later on thanks to the piece with uub.

What a villian, so far he has beaten every fighter including vegetto easily, but everyone except Gohan wrote it off as cheap magic.

I love Yamcha's response! Good on him for playing on Vegetas insecurities!

Ah yes, the one form stronger than SSJ3.
Super Vegeta Three 1 Replie(s)