Teleported_Bread was saying: Wtf is that bulge, why is Kakaditz so hung?

Because of the fusion, everything increases. ;)

What an arrogant POS! Vegito is outright appropriating Goku's name and look. Looking back, this is pretty clear foreshadowing that Vegito is going to turn evil later

my questions:

1. Is Bacterian(the stinky male wrestler in the last chapter that beat yamacha) the father of yajiirobe?

There are no Zenkai boosts for Saiyans who have already reached SSJ. In DBM, only Cell gets more Zenkais because he is an exception.

Next page Goku falls down and TADA - the perfect cliffhanger XD

SeanPaul2389 was saying: On the Contrary Goku did a very similar feat during the Saiyan arc where Nappa surprised him with a mouth beam and despite it happening pretty much point blank Goku was able to fire off a lightning-fast Kamehameha and overpower it. Vegeta was so impressed (and or surprised) by the speed of the move, of Goku's reaction time that he decides that was the time for him to step in.

Goku was faster than Nappa there and he had his guard up. Here, Goku just got caught off guard and these two are supposed to be on relatively equal fighting terms (if anything, Vegeta would be faster since we were shown he was better than Goku in the Pan special). Though I will say, after reminding me of that scene, this does feel a lot more believable.

Soooooo, this form was supposed to maximize their potential, ki control, bla bla bla and now is fading away???? Ok...

How different is it from SSJ3 then? Isn't that time limited as well?

Zzzz

Me thinks XXI possessed that Vargas.

Gohan's speed is dimensions above Krillin's. Krillin shouldn't have been able to catch him by surprise.

Myetic Zander was saying: Truly a uh….interesting page. I’ve had this account for over four years and haven’t left any messages. Just had to finally pipe up and say this is weird. lmao

Have people not actually read/seen Dragon Ball? This is par the course for Roshi, he's done WAY worse.

So Krillin had his foot on the arena before the dino landed outside the ring?

Looks like who will win is a toss-up now that the predictions are wrong.

Anti-climatic. There are a lot of other things Giran could've done. In fact, I fail to see how running forward would solve this problem.

MadameJadeK was saying: SuperSaiyan4Vegetto was saying: Hmm, my money is on Giran. Goku won because he's stronger AND the nimbus cloud saved him.

If Giran wins this, it'll be for the joke where all of the MCs get eliminated in the first round.

Yamcha has a nose so isn't immune to Bacterian.
Roshi is perhaps UNIQUELY vulnerable to Lan-Fan
Krillin doesn't have as many saves as Goku so Giran tosses him out.
And Gohan, seeing that his pupil is out and he no longer needs to teach him a lesson, concedes to Namu.

As for who would win the tournament overall, I think the final would be Giran vs Namu. We have no reason to think that Giran would be swayed by Lan-Fan, and I believe in Namu's discipline in resisting Bacterian's uh... "techniques" and beating him quickly.

So then the question comes down to whether Namu can defeat Giran.
Yes.
This is precisely what I predicted like 2 pages ago, lol.

Hmm, my money is on Giran. Goku won because he's stronger AND the nimbus cloud saved him.

Maybe because this is a build up? You know?

Funny how Krillin ends up with 18 while Roshi ends up single.

Krilin: In the "find the rock game", gave a lethal fall to Goku (cutting a bridge) and cheated at the game.

Thingamabobs?

Your nickel was saying: Fight choreography was phenomenal, though I do wish we saw some more of their new techniques. In the novelization Vegeta showed off a spirit bomb-like technique against Kakarot and hinted he had more in store to use against Goku

Isn't the novelization only up to Majin Son Bra?

Oh great, another universe 9 exposition comic, after this. We've already had like 3 of them already... get to the good stuff like when they fight cooler, vegeta, babdi, android yamcha... etc.
No one cares about kid krillin training with Roshi without goku. Cmon man.
They also did this for Universe 13. We had like 3 chapters of exposition of Kakarot's time on earth. And I heard they are planning a 4TH ONE!

Goku touched down outside the ring. Vegeta is beneath the original location of the ring and is thus not disqualified.

Always goku winning..what a damn shame.

Smh. Vegeta is losing too many of these little moments. Big sad as a Vegeta fan. But yes, the page is awesome.

If they dont leak energy they cant be sensed too, right?

Regarding the name of this new form - why not "Apex" since it's the peak of the apes?

Other contenders are Zenith and Nirvana, though "Zenith" sounds a bit too close to "Zen" Buu for my tastes.

Max is taken by Cell Max, Ascended is taken by USSJ, Perfect is taken by Cell, Mystic/Ultimate are misnomers, etc. Honestly, I don't think there are any other good names left that aren't claimed by someone, somewhere.

Dr. Alan Grant ver.2 was saying: I don't think he's moving back I think the bottom of the arc is supposed to be behind the top of the arc so he is moving forward to catch up. Though I could be wrong if he does some blast in the next page.

So are you saying the headbutt forced Goku way back and now Vegeta is flying to catch up? I mean if that's the case, I don't think the art portrays it very well. There's no movement lines or anything to indicate any part of Goku moved besides his head snapping back. I don't think that would be consistent with the angle Vegeta would be flying from either, it would mean Goku's body turned slightly too, even though Vegeta hit him from.... head-on... ha. Seriously though.

ShadyDoorags was saying: Agreed, this makes no sense.

Yeah personally I've thought quite a bit of the choreography in this fight is strange. Someone else said their movements have been flowing smoothly... but I've seen the opposite honestly. Both of their movements just seem a little weird to me. They'll hit the other one and all the sudden the person who got hit is in a different spot than momentum would have carried them. The person doing the hitting seems to be in a different place than their momentum would have taken them too. Maybe I'm just mostly thinking about when Goku elbowed Vegeta, then punched him, cause the positioning in the punching panel just didn't seem consistent with the elbow, IMO.

Just the positioning seems weird to me, I guess. I mean they can move so fast it's not a huge issue, it can be explained away by that, and the art has still been great, but this page is a little too much for me. Just doesn't make much sense imo. I guess you could say Vegeta is flying back to put more momentum in another hit, but that would give plenty of time for Goku to counter.

I don't know how you could possibly look at what we know about the scope of the universe and everything in it, along with all the technological advancements and discoveries of the past few centuries, and think "yup no chance whatsoever that we might be a little off-base. No way there's things we might not fully understand about it yet".

Dr. Alan Grant ver.2 was saying: DBZFan92 was saying: Bring up the theory of relativity as much as you want too, but it's still just a theory. No human has traveled at or can fully understand traveling at light speed, because we haven't been able to.

So your argument is that Vegetto isn't out of character on this page... because he's also out of character in the novel so it doesn't count? Okay, I guess.

Calling it now, Vegeta just throws in the towel, tells Goku he's #1 and leaves, saying they'll have a real one on one duel with no spectators, no rules, no interruptions.

Majunia was saying: RockyJoe was saying: How the hell did Kakarott ever learn to sense energy if he didn't train under Karin or Kami?

He trained with Roshi (he still misses Krillin), it wouldnt be weird if he trained under Karin at some point.
Kakarot never received any training on earth whatsoever. Kakarot killed Roshi in their first meeting. And Gohan tried to teach him self-control but failed.

Wait, i thought Bojack was somewhere between Frieza level and the androids. Isn't that when his movie happened?
Forget Broly (because seriously, wtf???), Perfect Cell should have vastly outpowered him. I'm pretty sure it happened before the Cell tournament at the very least...

Boy, you have seen nothing yet! xD Although, he should feel Fat Buu & South Kai's strength.

Buu's ki is probably lower when at rest. When he was released, Vegeta wasn't impressed with his power until he attacked Dabra.

BangBang was saying: New strategy. Attack from all sides.

Like it is tradition... that will not work either.

Love the narrative, I hope the fight does not end with one of the opponents saying: "I have analyzed all the potential scenarios, and I realized I cannot win... you win" without an actual fight.

I do like how they never addressed or even mentioned buu ripped gast apart. just like 'you dead' and "im back its whatevers so how should I handle this.."

Jewbacca was saying:
Wouldn't bet on that. Gast has an important reason to win. He wants to restore his people by undoing his own fusion. So i doubt he is willing to give up for anything, or anyone. For now i wouldn't bet on either of them. Gast was able to disable Vegetto somehow so he certainly has a chance.

Yeah I think that's not gonna work out for him. Vegito tried to undo his fusion with the Dragon Balls and it didn't work, and I would imagine Buu would have unfused Gast if he could have, instead of setting up multiple spells to trap him. If it were me I would ask a few Nameks from the other universes to help him repopulate.

They seem strangely confident that they can bring back 18 and Raichi. I certainly hope they can since 18 is 18 and Raichi is one of my favourite characters from all DBM, but is that within the powers of the Dragon Balls? Admittedly it wasn’t Porunga who failed to revive 16 and alter 17 and 18, but still, will Porunga do any better?

Also Vegetto, get off your high horse, you didn’t save them from shit. Buu wouldn’t have hurt anyone, and even if he had, you were encouraging him to take over at first- even ignoring that, it’s not you who dealt with him, you’re impotent! It was the Varga who saved the day. I’m increasingly eager to see this big dork get humbled somehow. I do imagine if Gogeta is formed, he won’t stand a chance against Vegetto, unless perhaps Trunks and Goten can teach Goku and Vegeta the new and improved fusion dance.

Technically, Buu still has the Heliotes' Armor (battery is dead tho). Dunno if absorbing inanimate objects allows him to "analyze" or "dissect" it itself or if he has some manner in powering it (probably not; Armor thing could have just been a 1 and done thing for him). Beyond that, though, I wouldn't be surprised if they're standing on pieces of him though (since he likely already had pieces of him scattered throughout the arena).

So... Xxi, wanna help?

... No...?

... Okay...

So It's pretty obvious how this is going to end. With Earth's forces and itself being destroyed by the Saiyans.

Is there a reason the lower half of buu's body hasn't been shown since he came out of the spell?

"It's true you should always know where your towel is" LOL, did Buu absorb Towelie?

Also, he's kinda rewriting history. The kai's weren't killing people with disagreeing ideas. They came after you if you had power and were using that power for evil against others.

I know super buu (canon version) recognized that the grand kaioshin was keeping him from being pure rage and hate, but he still lived for violence until he absorbed enough people to get perspective.

That being said, if we exclude his tenure as kid buu, zen buu has almost assuredly killed less people than even Vegeta considering he only absorbed those who were exceptional. He's basically the Beerus of his universe now, so labeling him as evil now is reductive. It's easy to hate him considering what he's done to the main cast in his universe, I can see where this "Actually, he's not all that bad, just misunderstood by mortals" is coming from.

Millions of years? Buu was locked inside for 99.9999% of his lifespan. He didn't experience millions of years. Even with all the people absorbed.

I'm guessing this story is going to go 1 of 2 routes.

1. XXI goes on to win the tournament and Vegito then freaks out over it which results in him either stealing the winning wish to disable XXI and then destroying the Dragon Balls which would fulfill Bardock's vision.

2. XXI's wish enrages Vegito which results in Vegito's rampage.

After seeing how Buu was beaten in literally a single move, there is no way that Gast or Son Bra can beat XXI. Not really sure what XXI would wish for though, seeing as how he seems to be invincible.

But let's face it, I just want to see Gogeta VS Vegito. We all know it's coming and that that will be the grand finale or at least the way they stop Vegito. No other way would be satisfying. Not even a plan to unfuse Vegito would cut it. Because let's face it, if they unfuze Vegito they'd better also unfuze Buu and Gast as well.

No problem about the late reply. Regarding using dragon balls to undo the fusion, we know that Vegetto couldn't unfuse with the dragon balls, and that if people are absorbed by Buu for too long that they become one with him and can't be separated. Seems to be a theme that those who are merged can't unmerge. I think Gast's wish would most likely be to be able to sire offspring instead of directly unfusing. And I don't think Xxi's dragon can grant wishes like that, seems more like a knowledge dragon than anything else.

Umm, basic question here: what's wrong with the Kaioshin being in league with Buu?

...Okay! Who put this a@@hole as a judge??!! "Arrest this guy, send this guy to his universe, pin this fusion man" F@@k! Mind your own god damn business!!!

I don't know why all of you are shock.
XXI is clearly the antagonist in DBM. He will be in the finals against our Hero Goku. And all the Saiyans are there so they will help him turn SsjGod. People seem to forget beerus came to the tournament and he might come again. Goku will go ssjgod against XXI....maybe ssjblue but is exciting and obvious at this point

This smoke makes the page unbearable

Beautiful page!!!! For all those who say buu is winning. What did I say? XXI is the true villain in the DBM..
I can't wait to see goku vs XXI on the final battle!!! Goku will unlock ssjgod possibly Blue to fight him!

Remember Xen Buu is in two locations. I imagine that one of Bardocks visions will come to fruition.

mystic or not, Vegeta 13 would still wipe the floor with raditz anyway

Yeah Bojack's face looks awful and they're oversexuallizing Zagnya too much, and it doesn't have to be this bad. I never liked Dragon Ball Pee pee and this gives me that kind of vibe.
Also, why is Bujin in some weird protection orb? We've never seen him in something like that before. And WHY is Zagnya complaining to Bojack. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure she's ok with whatever stuff Bojack does, being annoyed with him seems very out of character.
Yes, this is for free, and yes, I should just go away and come back when the special's over, but heck I'm entitled to an opinion at least.

Gast can one-shot Bra though right? He did pin down her dad at SSJ3 with a magic spell, he could surely just do the same against Bra, making the fight one-sided.

Noice! This is my favorite outfit of Uub. :)

Now, the Vegeta vs Cell fight will start next page. looking at the "news", this chapter will last to page 1950, which will make it the longest main story chapter up to date.
If the fight ends with the chapter then the fight will last to 24 pages. Which will be disappointing. When Salagir said the fights will be long, I thought he was talking about...well, the fights themselves, not the chapters.

Disappointing to see if this is all the fight is, even if Goku stands up and wins. Guess we'll see his unique power in his final battle or something.

عمار was saying:
You do release that DBM existed years before DB Super, right?

I don't think anyone would be mad if U18 was retconned with stuff from Super. I'm pretty sure Salagir pointed out that U18 Goku and Vegeta would have techniques that "would surprise us" years ago, so it would be more disappointing if he went back on that idea.

So Goku has to outlast this Kaioken and retain at least Super Saiyan 2. Unfortunately for him that's Vegeta's specialty. If they both drop to base form Uub should have a massive advantage over him considering King Kai states that Maximum Kaioken is x20, and Maximum Kaioken kept up with Super Saiyan 3.

Edit: Actually, I need to quote myself from page 1901:

>It's worth noting that Uub is now running on a Kaioken x 20, since I'm pretty sure King Kai said that's the highest Kaioken anyone can do. According to Salagir in pages 82 and 1091, Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier, Super Saiyan 2 is a 10x multiplier, and Super Saiyan 3 is another 10x multiplier. That totals out to a 5000x multiplier. They appear to fight evenly.

>That means Uub's base power is 250x Goku's base power. That's fuckin bananas. They should wish him into a Saiyan.

People pointed out that Goku went to x100 in the movies and that might be the actual max. I think Transcended is x100.

I wonder if all the comments about how Goku was clearly winning last page (even while getting punched in the face- but I digress) will feel silly? Anyhow, time for Piccolo to look like a big idiot again when the we get a reveal of whatever page 1835 was about. Maybe Uub will say he didn't want to try this in a fight without practicing first, then we'll get "MAIJIN KaioKen!" or healing magic.

Hopefully after ~20 years Goku has something more to offer than SSJ3, but what way will DBM go? Super Saijin Purplish Golden God Super Saijin 4.1 Extreme Mode?

MajinPower was saying: This match is insanely good!!!

What do you think the next chapter (Vegeta vs Cell) will be called?
Option A) "Perfect Vegeta"
Option B) "Vegeta's secret"
Option C) "Pride VS Prejudice" xD

How about "The Enemy of Good", they say that "perfection is the enemy of good" and Cell is quite evil.

Unless your DBM Vegetto, how in the name of fuck is SSJ3 more draining than Kaioken? There is no basis of that being true, even the first time Goku used SSJ3 in the Buu Saga it lasted longer than Goku's kaioken. Goku has to turn his Kaioken on and off every few seconds for a reason while SSJ3 can last a few minutes to half an hour. Goku has always sustained SSJ3 better than he has ever sustained Kaioken. Uub at Maximum Kaioken I guarantee drains a lot more quickly than SSJ3. But it is a best bet that Uub forces Goku into SSJ3 but he definitely is at a disadvantage regardless.

Also, not sure why Uub wants to go all out. They’re both at a disadvantage, since Goku’s SSJ3 will wear him down significantly, and Uub’s Maximum Kaioken will damage his body.
It does make a bit of sense, so they don’t waste energy on fighting in lower forms though.

Pretty sure Zen Buu only taught Uub how to control/utilize his magic. The Kaioken is a ki amplifier technique, so it’s not something you can master by someone teaching you without you training it (what I mean is, Buu may have taught Uub the theory, but he still needs the practice). He could have shown Uub some way to control it better, but that’s probably as far as he’d go. Buu told Dai Kaio that he didn’t give the fighters boosts, just ideas.

عمار was saying: LET'S GOOOOOOO! KAIOKEN X100!!!!
Why do you think it’s kaioken 100 did I miss a page

Would be really interesting to know what Uub's base power is like. If it is around Goku's base, he would have to use an ungodly high kaioken to compete with the likes of fat Buu as base goku was stated to be below Frieza who was more or less the same as on Namek. Maybe Uub inherited some of Buu's limitless stamia and endurence and that's why he can use a very high Kaioken for longer times. On the other hand Z-sword Videl used a kaioken high enough to go from weaker than 3rd form Cold to smashing a Cell jr as a (probably) mere human. It was only for a moment and took it's toll on her, but still.

Or of course he is just much stronger than Goku in base beeing the reincarnation of Buu and all that.

Goku is starting the fight in base, unlike against 17 and Freeza where he started with SSJ1. Any reason for that?

Both at base levels and seemingly equal. This could go either way!

This should be so good. Uub is like the son Goku never had.