Alphrant was saying: I like gast's reaction here. I think he hadn't figured out yet cell has namekian cells, so he is surprised to see cell regenerating like one. Wonder if that will make him start thinking if cell can create dragon balls or something to bring his people back.
Wait, that is a genuine question. Can Cell make dragon balls?

Videl taking Kakarot? Seems farfetched. Wasn't she at her limit fighting against a Majinised Cell Jr? I can't imagine that little stripling being any stronger than Cell Games Goku or Gohan at the most. Since Kakarot has gained Super Saiyan 2, she would be outclassed. Don't know what she means here.

Yeah, that seems to be a bit too coincidental of South Kai showing up so suddenly. Wasn't he trying to get the Vargas to send Elder Kai and Raditz back to their respective universes? If he did, then they should already have been teleported away. Seems a bit jarring that he would circle around just to confront them again like this.

This is the first time, that I see a Namekian without shoes. I'll always remember this sniff

I dunno, getting a hole punched clean through his stomach did a pretty good job too. Not that he'd know that at the time.

He attacks sounds weird for a line

He should like gasped then jump away

No offense but what is Buu going to do?

Vegito is right there

Gast is also there

And XXI is there (that's if he is nice to help)

Alphrant was saying:

What makes you say that? Has salagir ever stated to pretend ssj levels have fixed power levels or something? If so this is very absurd.
Won't goku or vegeta be stronger in ssj forms if they train more? Does that mean that kid goten and kid trunks can easily beat freeza as ssjs?
Obviously, ssj vegeto and ssj2 bra are above mystic level, why would they be an exception? Well ofc because they are stronger in base form and ssj forms are just multipliers.
I always assumed like for example saying "x character is ssj2 level" just meant that they are about as strong as ssj2 gohan in cell saga, and ssj3 level just around ssj3 goku in buu saga.

Kid Goten and Trunks could certainly beat Frieza easily as ssjs.

I think Salagir's system works something like that: You can improve in base, but after a time the improvement slows down, becomes negligible and finally stops. To break this wall you need a new form, which multiplies your base power, and you can improve in it until it again slows down and a new form is required to break the wall and so on. In DBM the sayians maxxed out their base, it's stated to be somewhere below Frieza level in DBM and I would guess probably maxxed out at least ssj1 too. I think you can unlock a new form before maxxing out the one before though. I think Goku's base improved somewhat after unlocking ssj1 on namek, not to the point of frieza level though, and I don't think he maxxed out ssj2 before reaching ssj3. Maybe because it was quicker to unlock while dead in other world or something. It's all fan theories anyways.
This way it also makes sense freaks like Gotenks,Vegetto and Bra's froms are much stronger than the same form on other saiyans. Their base power is already so strong through unnatural means, much stronger than Frieza, that there is no way for the other saiyans to raise their base to that level through training.

SSJ2 Vegeta is not as strong nor close to the power of SSJ3 U13 Vegeta. SSJ2 is SSJ2. And SSJ2 will always be weaker than SSJ3. And Cell is stronger than SSJ3. So, yes he's holding back.

I wonder what the match-up will be now! Goku versus King Cold maybe? or Vegeta versus him

I don't know why a lot of people are confused about this? This is just like page 261 of chapter 12.

DrewSaga was saying: In all seriousness, is that a countable infinity or not?
Nope! ∞! they cannot be counted even if we kept counting forever. But keep in mind that each universe has an ∞ set of universe which is identical to it (Except U1). Meaning there's ∞ number of universes who are identical to U18. Same thing for the other 18 universes who are in the multiverse tournament. You can check this page. they explained "The Multiverse" in depth.

Beat-kun was saying: Reisen Storm was saying: Kryslor was saying: Alphrant was saying:
Dude, it has been established in this canon that broly's power just rises with the passage of time, that's the nature of the LSSJ in DBM. If you have no idea what i am talking about check the FAQ.

But still, why you are surprised now about broly's power, like... did u miss the entire vegeto vs broly fight?

It was also established he was only invincible from physical damage (except carbonite because....reasons) while in legendary form. Are we supposed to assume he maintained the form for 10 straight years while flying through space without needing to breathe?
The more pressing matters are why didn't King Kai, Old Kai, or Kibito Kai forewarn the Z-fighters that Broly was alive? If we go by the novelization, Broly's in his LSSJ is mindless berserk destroying and killing everything in his path, with Goku, or "Kakarotto", being the only thing that will give him any sort of focus and that's only if he spots him in the first place. I also like to point out in the novel, Goku in his Super Saiyan 3 form, could at minimum, deal with Broly. With the information that's been given, Broly for all intents and purposes should have lost in Universe 20.


"Kakarotto!" Without wasting a second, Goku tightly clenched his fists and transformed into Super Saiyan 3. This was the minimum power he would need to cope up with Broly, who seemed be at least twice as strong as before! This change in physical appearance slightly surprised Broly. He had a moment of déjà vu... The slightly larger muscles, the long golden hair... -Dragon Ball Multiverse: The Novelization, Chapter 42,
well, most likely his unconsciousness while drifting through space, also kept him powering up. Remember, this is more than 10 years after the last time they fought broly, that is a long time to slowly power up while in Legendary.
That's the issue though, even after ten years, Broly hasn't eclipsed any of the Z-warriors, if Goku at the tournament can content with Broly, no matter how brief in his super Saiyan 3 form, even after Broly had ten years, then the z-warriors in universe 20 could, or rather, should have managed to defeat Broly third time around. They have Gohan and Gotenks, both characters more powerful than Goku.

Alphrant was saying:
Dude, it has been established in this canon that broly's power just rises with the passage of time, that's the nature of the LSSJ in DBM. If you have no idea what i am talking about check the FAQ.

But still, why you are surprised now about broly's power, like... did u miss the entire vegeto vs broly fight?

It was also established he was only invincible from physical damage (except carbonite because....reasons) while in legendary form. Are we supposed to assume he maintained the form for 10 straight years while flying through space without needing to breathe?

This story is so dumb. So Broly was blown away in a giant kamehameha wave and was gone in fucking space for TEN YEARS minimum (because goku is already training Uub). We're supposed to just accept that Broly survived in the vacuum of space and flew all the way back to Earth and somehow powered up enough on his own in the meantime to rival mystic gohan. Okay.

Also I know this is probably super duper irrelevant detail, but

Did someone bring Old Kai back from the dead? He doesn't seem to have a halo, and he died reviving Goku.

again, we keep getting our release an hour later! Is this permanent?

I agree with Dr.Raichi on this 1. If the special beam cannon really worked like this he could
A)1 shot final form Frieza since his final form is weaker than Colds 3rd form.
B)Imperfect Cell wouldn't be able to slap it away like a mosquito.
C)slice Super Buu in half.

so in conclusion it's bull.

This King Cold is stronger than Freeza.
You had to be a super saiyan to be able to beat Freeza.
Even in DBM tournament, 30 years later, Goku still turns super saiyan to fight Freeza.
Piccolo is way weaker than a super saiyan. Until he fuses with Kami. That thing with Raditz had a MUCH lower power gap than the gap between Piccolo and King Cold.

King Cold just beat Goku out of super saiyan and tanked hits from him like it was nothing.

Piccolo nearly kills king cold with one hit.


That is bullshit no matter how you look at it.
This is jumping the shark. It's not that hard to have a better conclusion to this fight. Have Goku blast him from behind while everyone else attacks him at the same time so he's distracted. Taking a kamehame point blank in the face at max power using instant transmission, like he did against cell, Have Goku charge a spirit bomb as a super saiyan, have Goku pull an "taking you with me explosion",...

Then Cold loses control over his reduced form and goes berserk while starting to transform into his original form.
The others notice how they wouldn't be able to touch him in that form, and kill him before he can finish transforming.

That would be believable.
This...this is just lazy writing. Complete breaking of suspension of disbelief. If Piccolo can do this to Cold, Piccolo could take out Freeza and Goku's ascension was completely unessesary.

And don't get started with that bullet thing or laser thing on DBS that's even more ridiculous and one of the reasons I pretend super doesn't exist except for the Broly movie.

It's happened before with the Gohan vs Dabura fight in the future timeline, where Dabura intentionally weakens his biggest asset because Salagir couldn't bother to come up with a better reason Dabura would be defeated, even though, as much as i hate it, DBS managed to do that one justice by simply having them show up 10 years later due to less humans on earth making it take longer to revive buu. And supreme kai holding Dabura down with his psychic powers while trunks becomes a ssj2 to finish him of. That made sense or at least sense enough to not break suspense of disbelief.

That said, the art is amazing as always, Omaru Industries really delivers, as they have for each page in this special. I hope we'll see more of them in the future.

@Moth, then Cold just has to dodge it, he's 50 times stronger than Piccolo is (super saiyan is x50), so no matter how hard Piccolo tries, he can't hit Cold.

The whole reason Goku died against Raditz was because he had to pin him down so Piccolo could hit him. That was post Gohan attack Raditz, he wasn't even in top form. And the power gap was way lower. Yet Goku still died over it.

It doesn't hold up.