So he just gets Super Saiyan not even a minute after being knocked out of False Super Saiyan?

what does that mean. what kritoad said.

goochskun was saying: DBZGirlOnFire was saying: ... this idea is hardly original. Neat to finally see it being applied to Dragon Ball, but it's rediculously common ever since video games existed. There's similar concepts in media like Ben 10 and Animorphs. It's disingenuous at best to say it was "copied" from DBM. Anyone would have gotten to this trope sooner or later in media like Dragon Ball.

Yeah exactly this isn’t exactly a new idea and I’m sorry but I really don’t think dbm is the inspiration for any of dbs. Dbm is cool and all that but let’s be honest it’s not “massive” or big enough for toriyama/toyotora/toei to steal ideas from it

I mean Toyotaro was discovered through his fan manga of Dragonball AF by Shueisha. You think he wasn't reading other fan works back then or even sometimes now? He constantly talks about fans and seems to legitimately care about appealing to us while making a far reaching story.

He isn't wholesale stealing from anyone, but great authors of all types and all levels borrow and adapt good ideas that they run into over time.

Oh he's letting Bracaa go? That's generous... And gives Bracaa a chance to regenerate, regroup, and attack again later.

I wonder why Goku is old. I mean, it's pretty cool to have him as an old master, but dead people dont age, right? And even if he did die super old, there's nothing stopping his "other world body" to be young... right? But I digress.

I am really loving this whole concept.

Broly: "Whoa.... Radditz added his ki to this combined blast?! My one weakness! Weakness itself! NOOOOO!!!!!!"

I also gotta wonder why Buu didn't try a candy beam and Dabura didn't try stone spit. I mean this is an obvious "It'd be neat to see Broly just trash everyone" fic but those are neat ideas, still! Could have tested it and had his invincibility block it or something and then have Dabura getting absolutely destroyed after his spit failed.

Mustard was saying: I will never understand why people like the "mystic" name tbh

I mean it sounds just as cool as "Ultimate", but less.. how to put it.. less over the top? Less ego? I don't know. It's more fancy and less cliché.

Even Raditz is there, WTF? That's indeed a desperate plan. Might as well recruit Frieza Soldier #278593 while you're there.

The first panel of this page has a crater but the other panels from this page lack that crater. Did that crater eat zenbu beans to heal itself? If yes, that would explain why U16 Bra has not eaten senzu beans yet during this fight.

U18 Bra is doing psychological projection by calling U16 Bra "benevolent double" despite U16 Bra's evil actions.

LolloBlaz was saying: The Seven Deadly SimsThe Seven Deadly Sims is a mod for The Sims 3.

Bird Mountain was saying: It would be awesome if her next attack was something like cruel dama (genki dama, but cruel energy)If that happens it would be a reference to Omega Shenron's Negative Karma Ball.

Bra doing multiple strikes that are so fast they look like one strike, is that Dragon Ball reference? Goku vs Krillin if I recall correctly?

"Tambo doesn't deserve this."
That's probably Misa, and really anyone's, best argument or reasoning for coming back. She's right. In fact, nobody deserves to fight their father, let alone be killed by him.

MajinPower was saying: Gosh guys, now I get it!! Coola is the only one drinking at his table compared to Cold and Frieza he has lost his first round!
BangBang was saying: Cooler, buddy... Easy on the booze.

I wonder if he can drink with the mask on or if he "un-equips" it (can't really take off part of your body)...

I recognized Logarine and Minirale, and kinda vaguely get the SF references - but a full list would be great.

Can Pan use instant transmission or did she just move quickly?

BangBang was saying: They could have wished foor him to ne teleported to the core of a star...But, noooooo.

Unfortunately, they could not. We already saw a wish made to teleport Goku back to earth but since he was able to refuse it then that must mean if your strong enough then the Dragon or creator of the Dragon, has to get their consent. It's similar logic as to why the main cast couldn't kill the Saiyan on their way to Earth since they were stronger than Kami. It's also good since it means the Dragon Balls can't literally solve all of the main cast's big bad problems, like instead of teleporting Piccolo to Namek, they could have teleported Freeza to a sun or off world.

I do think there were other options like undoing Piccolo's petrification and then while Piccolo kept the other guy busy give him his youth back so he's a match for him.

BangBang was saying: This is surprisingly...nice...of Zangya. Maybe she feels sorry for Bujin?

Two things

The real reason she saved him is that the little guy has an Unique abilitty, and it is no longer usefull if he is dead. As for the other guy "Yumcha" or whatever is a dime in a dozen.
Bojack has heard about Zanya's ruthlesness from others in jail.
Zanya likely heard plenty of Yumcha's crimanl and likely rape vested track record from others. An excuse to protect there newly discovered secret weapon to dispose of a danger to a dangerous thrister will do.

Pretty cool idea to have Turles work for Cold rather than Frieza. Maybe Frieza offered his dad a Saiyan soldier.

Is he actually related to Goku though because despite appearances I was under the impression that Bardock had two kids and Turles wasn't one of them (I haven't seen the movie in over 10 years).

I can guess 90% of this guy's lineage. Pretty Boy has really strong genes, huh

Lucas was saying: DrewSaga was saying: Toppo: "Sorry, I am retiring from being a Warrior of Justice to being a Lord of Destruction so that I can be your enemy potentially and possibly Jiren putting me in my place."

I feel like the two are contradictory. This is something DBS never cleared up and I hoped this would too. Like what kind of superhero team is the Pride Troopers even that they are led by a guy planning to become a Destruction God (which would go against any decent sense of justice). They did call that group on the last page a terrorist group but that might be propaganda (since it's easy to justify murdering millions of innocent people by saying "we gotta stop the terrorists", after all, the worst terrorists on Earth today do just that) rather than them being an actual terrorist group (though that I wouldn't be sure of) themselves.

Point is that the Pride Trooper's integrity should probably be called into question by Toppo's decisions there. Toppo's decision to be a Hakaishin seemed to have even undermined any chance of winning the ToP as rather than actually do teamwork they try to fight on their own (Toppo trying to take on Frieza and #17 and then Vegeta and Jiren trying to take on Goku, Vegeta, Frieza and #17, both people lost ultimately). I have to admit it does make the Pride Troopers hell of a lot more interesting with this aspect of the story.

I guess also that Toppo got tired of all the paper work and didn't wanna tell anybody. Maybe he puts it all on Jiren (even though Jiren isn't leadership material)

KidTrunks was saying: Belsurs was saying: When the galaxy's chief of security runs off to join the circus

Not just any circus, the destruction circus

The Circus of Destruction.

Frorenst was saying: DrewSaga was saying: Toppo: "Sorry, I am retiring from being a Warrior of Justice to being a Lord of Destruction so that I can be your enemy potentially and possibly Jiren putting me in my place."

I feel like the two are contradictory. This is something DBS never cleared up and I hoped this would too. Like what kind of superhero team is the Pride Troopers even that they are led by a guy planning to become a Destruction God (which would go against any decent sense of justice). They did call that group on the last page a terrorist group but that might be propaganda (since it's easy to justify murdering millions of innocent people by saying "we gotta stop the terrorists", after all, the worst terrorists on Earth today do just that) rather than them being an actual terrorist group (though that I wouldn't be sure of).

I guess Toppo got tired of all the paper work and didn't wanna tell anybody. Maybe he puts it all on Jiren (even though Jiren isn't leadership material)

KidTrunks was saying: Belsurs was saying: When the galaxy's chief of security runs off to join the circus

Not just any circus, the destruction circus

The Circus of Destruction.

In DBS the Gods of Destruction are not really villains (aside from universe 9, dunno whats up with them even their supreme kai is evil). Remember that Universe 7 has the third lowest mortal score = Beerus has done his job not so good. So destroying planets on a whim as Beerus displays in a sort of villainous act is not the norm. Universe 11 has the fourth highest mortal score, so Clown person is actually quite a good man. In the manga I believe it is implied he works with the Pride Troopers quite regularly and is on good terms, which is I guess exactly why Toppo is his chosen successor.

I ain't saying they are villains like you know, thieves, terrorists, and criminal organization type of villains. I am saying they are destroyers. Destroying planets is in the job description for destroyer gods and the fact that Toppo would accept that is telling of his own character and that he don't live up to his ideals of justice (which Toppo already demonstrated in the Tournament of Power). Destroyers (gods or not) are the very kind of people superheroes fight all the time to protect people from annihilation). It's the kind of people Superman fights for instance as well as many others. You don't even have to be a superhero to wanna fight those types but you can't be a superhero and become a destroyer god. I am actually more surprised that Belmod and Toppo aren't enemies (though let's be real, Jiren would beat his clown ass) when I first saw the characters (obviously they were allies during the ToP, but that's a different situation where the entirety of U11 was at jeopardy.

But you may have a point and I might be wrong on this, U11's destroyer god might not abuse his powers and only ever uses them if absolutely necessary (like if there was a credible threat to the universe). And because of that Toppo and Belmod have good relations and Belmod would allow Toppo to succeed him. And Toppo's strength might be owed to his training with Belmod, not to mention Jiren's. Also on a small footnote I think U11 has the fifth-highest mortal score (during the ToP, if U11 was 4th I think U11 would have been exempt from competing) and U7 had the second lowest score (during the ToP, 2nd only to U9). As for U9's supreme kai (lol), he might be a douchebag but was he half as bad as Zamasu (U10) towards people?

But dang, to think Beerus would be more evil than a destroyer god that looks like an evil clown, I guess those horror movies should stop tarnishing the name of clowns everywhere.

Gods of Destruction aren't really evil. They're more like forces of nature. Their job is necessary. Beerus himself said it at some point: "Before creation, comes destruction". Their role is to bring a balance to their Universe by destroying what needs to be destroyed. Sure, they can abuse their power and end up destroying people and planets out of anger or whims, but that's not in the job description. And even more than that, if you look at it from a big picture perspective, even that destruction may be necessary to be able to bring forward new life forms and planets that take the place of the ones destroyed.

So, in short, Toppo wanting to become a GoD after being the leader of the Pride Troopers it's not contradictory. It just changes the scale in which he does things. As a Pride Trooper he helps in more clearly visible and direct ways, that are less ambiguous, but also have a smaller extent to their effect. Where as a GoD his job would be to bring balance into the Universe, even if that means doing things that at first seem to cause just the opposite.

Think of it like entropy in our actual universe. You could argue that living beings dying and stars and planet seizing to exist is sad and nothing good can come out of it. But objectively, it's all just part of a cycle and what those living beings leave behind gets used to "create" new life. In the DB universe those tasks are not randomly ocurring but caused by different kinds of Godly beings. This particular one is the Gods of Destruction's task.

I get the abstract justification, but I can't imagine a case where it would be "good" for a Destroyer to just explode a planet. Maybe if it was like the Saiyans in U7?

bigdeano89 was saying: Thats always bugged me, Kami couldve literally wished for Shenron to restore his lost memories or at least tell Kami what happened and where he came from lol
Could be one of these things that's considered to be impossible in relation to the creator's powers.

Teleported_Bread was saying: "You should know by now, Kakarot! PRINCE VEGETA!! NEVER!! GIVES!! UP!!!"
Except for that time he fought frieza and that time with broly.

why does piccolo not know who kaioshin is?

So question, what is the last panel supposed to be?

It's more retconned or just interpretation.

Not sure about the manga but the anime said the same wish cannot be granted twice, so that would cover someone being wished back twice but even that is worded open to interpretation i.e someone being revived twice even if the wish was something like the first time "Wish back person A" and another time was "Wish back ALL the people who died on X day"

I always wondered if it was an anime only line but wasn't it also said that all God's creatures die when he dies, not specifically Shenron.

And no, Dende's DB's couldn't revive a person more than once that was why Goku wasn't ressurected after he died because of Cell.

Sabishii_Kouen was saying: For those who are confused, Athena is the Goddess from Saint Saiya (Knights of the Zodiac in the US). It's a reference to that.
No Athena is the greek goddess of wisdom smh my head

Light grenade? My favorite move from Piccolo, always wondered why he never done it more often.

Osha was saying: Wrench ≠ wench
Unless you're calling her a tool I guess.
I thought it was spelt wretch

How the hell did Kakarott ever learn to sense energy if he didn't train under Karin or Kami?

Is Bardock psychic in this version of the story or he just has a hunch?

DrewSaga was saying: Unfortunately for Trunks I don't think he can revive someone who died over a year ago.

But if he does have this wish, how come he has never told U18 Vegeta (who easily defeated him) or anyone else about his wish? I mean with that we got 3 wishes:

1) Defuse Gast (unlikely this works but who knows)

2) Save U19 from Carbonite Chaos

3) Bring back the deceased in U12 from the destruction caused by the Androids.

The year-limit, at least in the original manga, was only ever said to apply to large groups of people. Individuals don't fall under this banner, as far as we know - there are a bunch of instances people plan to bring someone back after a year has passed (Goku in the Saiyan Saga, Krillin in the King Piccolo saga, I thiiiiiiiink some of the dead Z-Fighters in the Namek Saga), though it didn't end up happening for one reason or another. While not canon to DBM, they do bring back Frieza after many years - it's commonly cited as a plot hole, but...it's not really, I don't think.

Finally, I was eagar to see children die today.

Füchsin was saying: Has the beat down to the ground followed by ki blasts combi ever actually killed anyone in DB?

I think usually it's just a "Oh my Gosh, how are they so durable!!" Moment lol.

Well shit, knew that was going to happen, yet to see it with little fanfare is disheartening.

Mr Quill was saying: Now technically, this was always a speculated Powerlevel of Kami and most likely untrue, but supposedly at this point Kami is actually supposed to be around 1,000. And we saw just how powerful Piccolo went in the Android Saga when fusing with him became. However, even if they did fuse, I doubt Kami is anywhere near that power level realistically, and I doubt them to fuse, nor if they did would they be capable of stopping this threat at all.
I thought it was Popo who had a powerlevel of 1030. Certainly enough to deal with the Saiyan children but not Raditz, but then again, Popo did fight Goten and Trunks as super saiyans when they woke up so who knows.

Uub is down for the count. Look at his eyes, he's practically knocked out already. Even if he hits goku, this wont be enough to knock him out anymore.

Even so... well done Uub, you surprised Goku and gave him a good beating that will in turn remind him that soon he'll have someone on par with him and vegeta to spar with.

"Humble and sincere excuses."

Mistranslation or Ginyu has a great sense of humor.

Did everyone suddenly forget...or is that a sliding slope of doom that escape my notice.


What I am saying here is. Everyone has now be stricken with the idiot ball and no one is doing anything about it.


TELEPATHY


IDIOTS!

It's just like Vegeta to go after the boss instead of helping out Kakarot or Raditz. It's also just like Vegeta to get his ass beat, like what's about to happen in the next page.