If I remember correctly (can't remember if this manga is using DBS lore) Yamoshi was the first Super Saiyan God brought forth by him and 5 other good hearted Saiyans. But unfortunately the transformation didn't last long enough for him to defeat all the evil Saiyans and didn't absorb it into his base like Goku and was defeated.

Well, we managed to catch up with current vision for 1 hour at least. xD

It's a magical time stop. You're overthinking it.

One thing I never understood is how King Kai and Bubbles didn't get revived by their wish to revive everyone killed by Cell unless Shenron counted it as Goku killing them.

... Huh... I wonder if Cell counted as artificial enough to counter the Time Stop completely.
He was more grown than made, after all.

In either case, the look on his face makes me think he knows something.

partial spirit bomb was probably few percent of original spirit bomb (one goku gathered to beat great ape vegeta)

iit shouldnt take tien this long to gather energy to beat normal vegeta

HoCBo was saying: Haha, this is the page I've been working on for a long time. I learned a lot with after effect and photoshop animations, this is what Uub is actually seeing on the latest DBM page :D
Do you think he can take it? :D
Im curious, how does the website code work? Is it a gif you provided? And great effects work!

I knew it. I knew Cell would have one last surprise. Was he charging some type of Makankōsappō (special beam cannon) type move on the side with one of his clones??

I don't feel like we skipped a page. They stared each other down in the previous page.

This is as much acknowledgement as Trunks is gonna get from his father.

Vegeta always being obsessed with the saiyan heritage,but directly contributing to its extinction has always been a huge plot hole to me.

kcheeb was saying: Philsdesign was saying: Cosmichero was saying: 仅是剑客 was saying: The Gohan's character is weird, like he didn't know conquer Earth meant he would have to fight against his mother.

I think Gohan blocked out the memories he had on Earth, as a defense mechanism so he could survive in a world where he needed to commit atrocities or die.

He knew where he came from, but his feeling and memories only came back when he heard his mother.

That still doesn't make sense

Gohan couldn't stand his mom (literally asked if he could live with Bulma post Namek) and barely had any bond with his father (by the age of 16 Goku was absent for over 10 years). Both barely knew or cared for Gohan, Chichi was the definition of a tiger mom who made him study 24/7 without caring what he actually wanted and Goku a deadbeat who viewed Gohan as a mini him and again didn't care about his interests (the only actual time they ever spent together was training)

The true parental figure was Piccolo. In every adaptation this is shown and he is the one that effectively raised Gohan to be who he grew into

That never happened here, Nappa took that role and raised him to be a bloodthirsty killer, empathy and emotions are weak and so on.

Nasu doing a 180 like this makes no sense unless he either says he'll do it faster, plans to steal leadership from Vegeta (so be a true saiyan) or just goes full Omniman and says Earth isn't theirs to conquer
Chichi wasn't tiger mom yet at that age Gohan was 4

I think she only made him study stafting age 5

Goku told the others he wasn't allowed to train Gohan at all and Chichi had him studying all the time when introducing him.

Chichi effectively made Gohan study from birth and it showed. Gohan wasn't pleased to see her after his year with Piccolo and literally asked Bulma if he could live at capsule Corp with the Namekians after Namek

The person Gohan formed a parental bond with was Piccolo. The person he shared with and who truly understood him was Piccolo

If that bond has been formed with Nappa instead it could mean Nappa sides with him here (just like Piccolo "turned good" too). Though a true saiyan version wouldn't be side with earthlings but instead usurp control from Vegeta and become the new leader and conquer Earth for himself

Ammar was saying:
Ah yes, Goku never cared for his son, which is why he saved him multiple times & sacrificed himself twice to save his life. -_- But yeah, sure! Piccolo who kidnaped him and abused him is his true father. xD

Pretty much yes, Goku never cared about Gohan on a personal level, which is why he had no idea what Gohan wanted in life, knew nothing of his personality and so on. It's why he threw him at Cell thinking Gohan was a crazed battle thirsty warrior like himself and needed Piccolo to literally tell him who is son actually was.

Goku also abandoned his family to train in space for 2,5 years (could have been brought back but refused), then again for 7 years to fight people in the afterlife (could have been revived but refused), then missed all gatherings for 5+ years to train and then finally abandoned his family to live with Uub. Heck, look at DB, it lasted over 10 years but Goku saw everyone for a few weeks total (except the year training with Krillen) the rest of the time he was gone for literally years at a time. Goku saving people doesn't somehow negate him constantly disappearing for years on end and knowing pretty much nothing about any of them on a personal level outside of powerlevels

Yeah, pure and innocent, right. It shows.

Remember that South Kaioshin is being mind controlled. It would make sense at least.

You assume too much. He's not 'playing with his food'

I always thought that given the "potential" of the half-saiyans and the hard surviving environment of the future timeline, Ss2 Trunks should at least be as strong as Ss3 goku.

So does this mean that the elder Kai has to restart the entire ceremony all over again?

King Kindred was saying: Trunks should not be struggling with Black. Nor should he be holding back against someone who destroyed everything he held dear. He's not Goku.
There are reasons why somebody doesn't throw everything they have at their opponent from the get go besides 'cause Goku does it'.

Can you guys just please read the story? I can't answer and put your complaints to rest without breaking any DBM site guidelines.

wasn't this chapter gonna be drawn by Asura? i thought i read that in the homepage

Kuririn: but that's Goku's son!!

Yeah, I can't wait to see Nasu's reaction to y'all once he's confronted with the fact.

BTW, I'm sure this has been asked a hundred times, but still... Does Goten-Kun write this or was it Salagir who wrote it?
Because the pacing of the story is awesome and I wanna know who to give credit to ;)

I just now noticed it but now I'm curious, why did Bardock enter the tournament with cracked armor?

I said it once and I'll say it again, the Saiyans get roflstomped.

Krillin went from being significantly weaker than Raditz to being at least full power Frieza in 4 years. (1 year for Saiyan Saga Frieza saga was a few days, and then 3 years training for the androids. Imagine 6 years after that.

That’s kind of a mean thing to say his art has been fine it isn’t like he’s been in charge of doing main story

To point a sword at someone’s else is your sword sharper ? Is your art better ? Stop hating

Yall think Frieza saga Frieza would die to a nuclear bomb???

MaddoxX was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: WHAT???
At least make him look older? They both look like teenagers. Actually, Shallot looks like he's a bit older than Yamoshi.
I don't care about Saiyan genetics, this is just crazy revelation.
Sayins don't age like humans do think of it this way maybe yamoshi is ~40 year old and both his sons are ~20 would make since seeing how yamoshi leads a pack and is well known and respected

Look at adult Gohan and tell me he doesn't look distinctly younger than adult Goku. Or what about Trunks and Vegeta?

These two (three) here, look about the same age. Yamoshi is depicted too young.

The again, if these are reminiscent of U6 Saiyans in DBS (which are supposed to be direct evolution of the ancient/good Saiyans), then I guess it does makes sense for their looks to be THAT way, more slimmer and whatnot, unlike modern Saiyans.

WongTing was saying: Pay attention. It's not a years later conversation.

Its obviously recently after Goku and Piccolo died and Raditz left.
I am paying attention. Comic etiquette dictates announcing a drastic change in story chronology; it's not to be left to the audience guessing. If this is years before the previous set of panels, you narrate the time difference.

Wait, if Universe 20 literally doesn't exist anymore, how did the Vargas even find Broly?

jonathan_vik was saying: And remember, this version of Broly is much weaker than SS1 Vegito. I guess Piccolo was right about Vegito being a threat to the entire Mulitverse in that one vision Bardock had.

Idk, Vegetto lost to a chicken femboy and Yamcha had to save the day.

Yes, BUT, this is very vague reasoning. Especially when most wishes are about bringing back people from the dead, and some are about recreating the whole planets.

Just wish broly so far away it would take forever for him to get back

They've got one wish left. Couldn't they just wish that Broly was dead (if he's alive)? I mean... it's kind of a dull way to take him out but that could work couldn't it? Or is Broly immune to wishes made by the Dragon Balls?

Do we get an award for most patient fanbase

I wonder where c16 gets a new hand after this lol

Yeah but would a Broly candy be able to blow up planets? I feel like this would at least save the universe if nothing else.

Or Mario Kart maybe?

How do you pronounce XXI?Is it ExExI or 21?Sorry I dont remmember if someone explained that.Also I am very intersted to finaly see the true form of him.I belive Gast will survive or XXI gets DQ

I thought based on the way the announcement for the Ghast chapters, we would have several more consecutive chapters about Ghast and his universe before starting back on the main story.

That's a bit mean, if you're referring to the story.

It IS a mask! I called it!

MysticGoober was saying: Welp, considering this Gogeta’s strength and using ssj3, better do it in one in order to not defuse like the enhanced gotenks.

That thing was originally introduced on DBGT, just so Gogeta ssJ4 wouldn't finish off Omega shenron and reduce the end to a repeat of the DBZ Buu fight ending. In DBZ never was it established that greater strength made the fusion last longer. Gotenks fused in the Time Chamber,got out, fought Buu for a good lengthy time, lost his ssJ3 and after a few more minutes defused, quite obviously after 30 minutes. I have also, absolutely no idea why DBM implemented this on their story, imho it's completely unnecessary and nerfs needlessly an awesome character.

I wonder why Salagir chose that word instead of what he did in French, "Yomek", which is Yoshi + Namek.

Also in French, "yomek" sounds like "yo dude"

unlike the dragon at least he tried to kill the bad guys

what? is goku not a "regular"?

reminder, dbs, GT and daima don't have anything to do with this comic. nor does the movies.

Osha was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: Cor Petit was saying: Osha was saying: This mirrors how Kami tried to offload his role to Goku at the end of the 23rd World Tournament.

Yea hope he declines
Tbh, same. Because a leader of Namek should be of the Dragon Clan with his life tied to the Dragon Balls. The Warrior Clan is too focused on honing their skills and ensuring the protection of the Planet Namek and her people for magical matters and those of a leader.
Then again, although Piccolo absorbed Kami and still can't create Dragon Balls, does that mean the ability is totally lost to him or is he capable of learning? Idk if it was ever confirmed outright or outside the show.

He didn't even try. And Piccolo is technically of both clans, especially in this story iirc?
Piccolo is 100% of the warrior clan, he cannot create Dragon Balls, that's established during the Cell arc. That and being able to produce offsprings are abilities limited strictly to the dragon clan.

Brother... King Piccolo LITERALLY created a bunch of offsprings. JUNIOR BEING ONE OF THEM.

Teleported_Bread was saying: Cor Petit was saying: Osha was saying: This mirrors how Kami tried to offload his role to Goku at the end of the 23rd World Tournament.

Yea hope he declines
Tbh, same. Because a leader of Namek should be of the Dragon Clan with his life tied to the Dragon Balls. The Warrior Clan is too focused on honing their skills and ensuring the protection of the Planet Namek and her people for magical matters and those of a leader.
Then again, although Piccolo absorbed Kami and still can't create Dragon Balls, does that mean the ability is totally lost to him or is he capable of learning? Idk if it was ever confirmed outright or outside the show.

He didn't even try. And Piccolo is technically of both clans, especially in this story iirc?

I wonder what their fusion is going to look like, if they can fuse at all, specially considering that Chibi Son Bra and Gorkor the Great are not wearing any blue Metamo-Rings. I wonder if their fusion is going to have Gorkor the Great's regeneration.

For those who are wondering why on this CSBDHB page Chiaotzu has yellow skin instead of albino skin, it is because it is a reference to Chiaoldo from Dragon Ball Fusions, in that game there is a yellow skinned character named Chiaoldo (a fusion of Chiaotzu and Guldo) who almost looks like Chiaotzu except that Chiaoldo has yellow skin.

And yes, I think that the character show on this CSBDHB page is actually Chiaoldo, not Chiaotzu, because on this CSBDHB page Chiaoldo is show wearing on his wrists those blue Metamo-Rings from Dragon Ball Fusions, with those blue Metamo-Rings being another reference to Dragon Ball Fusions.

Zeromus was saying: I always know that Gorkor the great will be last hope of the multiverse.It helps that Gorkor the Great has regeneration on the level where he had fully regenerated a few pages after he was burned to a crisp by Zen Buu during that U4 special.

DrewSaga was saying: Chaotzu put their differences aside to do what is right.The character show on this CSBDHB page is actually Chiaoldo, not Chiaotzu.

Friendly reminder that on this CSBDHB page Chiaoldo is show wearing on his wrists those blue Metamo-Rings from Dragon Ball Fusions, which means that Chiaoldo is that Ex-Fusion of Chiaotzu and Guldo from Dragon Ball Fusions.

"I see, your father had to kill your mother..."

"Had to kill" is a really weird phrase for Goku to use there. It's like saying Goku gets it- the man wanted to be king so he had to do it. "Your father killed your mother..." or "Your father wanted to kill your mother...".

Okay, now you need a big conceptual explanation.
This is how I see the afterlife in DB:
For me, it's a parallel dimension (like the mind/time room) but on a much larger scale, which prevents it from being accessible by the living.

This dimension is completely surrounded by 3 spherical layers:
— The universe itself, whose purpose is to isolate it and make it inaccessible to mortals.
— an enormous spherical boundary of magical ice, which keeps the departed souls in good condition; the afterlife is a place where it's cold enough.
— clouds, to give the place a touch of style and hide the big, unwelcoming ice border.

The ice frontier is the most important. If it were to be destroyed, there would be a leak between the universe and the beyond, like removing a silicone plug separating a tank of water from an electrical circuit.

The most useless attack against someone who can regrow limbs

Huh, doesn't this disqualify U16?

As a guardian he clearly hasn't guarded the temple from decay or being dirty.

Shouldn't Goku be able to live a 1000 years from the buu saga after elder kai gave his life to goku

That actually kinda looks like Grandpa Gohan's sleeve. Do Saiyans live long enough for this to be a very old Goku dressed in his grandpa's old style?

Where is "Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start"?

I wonder why Ikari form is seen as superior to ozaru when the power multiplier is the same and they DON'T benefit from the massive body bonus.

So either Earth's afterlife is closer to Namek than Earth, or Enma is stronger than warriers on Earth so Tambo can sense his ki from Namek. I suppose it's the latter because if I recall correctly, it was stated Enma is strong when Goku was about to train with King Kai.

For the former point, are the afterlife, Kaioshin's realm and Beerus's planet in DBS even on the same plane of existence as Earth? It's interesting to think about the several instances characters sensed ki across these places and how distances and teleportation work across different planes of existence.

So did Tambo die or something?

Roshi Wins
18 kills Roshi to get payback on 17 stealing her kills
Gohan protect Bulma and Trunks’s escape
Gohan gets the scar on the eye, the one we see in the Movie