I don't know about site traffic but it is one of the most viewed fan comics narrated by Mondocool and he covers most of them. DBM is still one of the few fan comics I've seen with really passionate fans like yourself who comment multiple times per page and have 100s or 1000s of comments overall.

I would hate to see my boy Shady Doorags leave. I do think it would be frustrating for any author if their story had some really dedicated fans who post hundreds or thousands of negative comments and sound like they hate it every time they posted. I have the fan comic compilation thread on Kanzenshuu and DBM is the only one on that entire list that gets this kind of attention. For every other fan comic, the only people who consider it worth their time to comment have to like something about the story so it's only constructive criticism. Occasionally there's a negative comments but no one spending years posting like that.

I recall you saying you had a YouTube channel so it would be like having someone bash your content every video and sometimes multiple times per video. I think it's normal reaction to question why they would dedicate so much time specifically to your content when they sound like they hate 99% of it and not interested in using that time on other channels instead.

Well giving criticism is within the rules but I don't think anyone is talking about the occasional constructive criticism. There are some people who comment every page or multiple times per page and have hundreds of comments that are mostly all negative. Of course they're free to do that until the very last page of the comic. It's just pointing out the difference since they sound angrier and giving the story more attention than most fans for any fan comic out there.

Round 2! I'm glad the fight continues since it's probably the last brawl of the tournament. XXI always wins with one spell but I hope Gast is able to counter some of his magic.

Speaking of Gast and Vegetas that know Instant Transmission...I have finished Gast & Palz! Thanks to everyone who took the time to read it!

Well there's always someone stronger until the series ends. Toriyama said one of the reasons he ended with the Buu saga was because he couldn't think of more powerful villains than Buu popping up and ways for Goku to get stronger. This is from 2016 so he only continued after getting new ideas and suggestions. For DBS, many fans already expect Goku's peak to around Beerus but still below Whis and Zeno not surpassing them offscreen after it's over. This applies to every shonen series I've seen. The characters continue to grow stronger and reach their peak or close to it by the end. It's also why almost every fanfic I've read doesn't have them grow much stronger unless they're introducing new forms and stronger villains. The concept of a limit or diminishing returns applies to all those and it's usually mastering their final form, ability, etc in that series.

I think Old Kai was talking about SSJ in general when he said "it overstresses the body". He was referring to permanently remaining in SSJ since that would have a greater toll than transforming every once in a while. When Goku and Gohan were mastering SSJ, Goku said they'll remain in the form except while sleeping so that could mean Goku thought it's possible to eliminate most of the stress but not 100%. Reducing lifespan doesn't necessarily mean they're going to drop dead soon and just that a Saiyan who uses SSJ more often might have a slightly shorter lifespan than the average Saiyan.

Maybe one day they'll include a Pretty Cure cameo :D. I googled the name "Kururun". I thought it was an alternate spelling of Krillin or something but turns out it's a Pretty Cure character.

Nice he's still reading! I thought it might've been by someone who saw this page in advance since it was only a few hours after the page was released.

Stouty :D! Who's your friend? The artstyle looks familiar!

There needs to be a way to get notifications once someone replies to your comment. I think at least five people pointed out to you that Salagir doesn't write this comic including Salagir himself. It also helps to read previous comments on the page since he mentioned it again but you replied to some of the comments so I assume you read his? Just trying to help!

I don't think it was outright stated but more implied based on their actions. Shin was aware of the Saiyans and Freeza but only intervened against Buu. I guess it's not uncommon for fictional gods to only intervene against universal threats while letting the universe work itself out when it came to a mortal overlord, army, or violent races. Same with Kami. He didn't get involved with anything on Earth until there were threats to the whole planet.

Well that's an interesting way to look at it. Some people give their opinions but some go the extra step of insulting everyone who disagrees. I'm not sure what's wrong with what he's saying. It's basically reaching the same conclusion as the gods in U18 except that he witnessed alternate universes that show they don't have intervene in every potential threat. It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to jump to the opposite extreme of doing absolutely nothing in his universe.

Well this conversation couldn't happen in DBZ since the Kaioshin only got involved with Buu who threatened the whole universe and Other World. This is from a Kaioshin who intervened in every potential threat to their universe. I don't think it's trying to make DBZ more complex since some of what they mentioned were just references to other franchises. It's not like we're getting entire chapters of it.

Examples of your work would also help on how to do things the right way. It sounded like you were an accomplished writer since you brought up greatly improving your skills from criticism. Are you using a different pen name? I googled "Mr Quill" but couldn't find anything other than for GotG.

I agree with your comment about constructive criticism helping an author improve. I was curious what you meant by "you think I got to where I am". Do you mean you have your own fan comic you're working on? I have a thread on the Kanzenshuu forums where I compile fan comics/manga. I can add yours to the list!

Let it be known that Gast & Palz Vegeta was the first Vegeta in DBM to learn Instant Transmission way back in 2012!

This comment reminded me of Toy Story :P.

If you feel the art is the only thing good about the story, that's a fair opinion to have but what's the point of adding that last part? A lot of fans have given criticism without needing to justify why they're on here or make it sound like they're forced to do it.

@Rogeru
Do you think you'd like to draw another special one day? If so which universe(s) would you choose?

@Rogeru
Hello! Nice job on the special so far. I had some questions if you can answer them.

1. When did you begin working on this special?

2. How long did it take to complete?

3. What happened to Dragon Ball EX? It was a pretty good fan comic but hasn't updated since 2016.

@Lord Rime
U18 appears in most of Bardock's visions that haven't happened yet and the other universes with the most screentime diverged from different choices made in U18. At the time, almost everyone in U18 has completed their character arcs which is why characters from other universes are getting the chance to have some development. I think this was established early on within the first few years of DBM. I understand if someone doesn't like this concept but no one should be surprised by it this many years later. If this was a major deal breaker or hinders their enjoyment of the story, they probably would've left by now.

To be honest, most of your recent criticism and/or complaints sound like from someone who only recently found DBM and never read another fan comic. I checked your comments and from your previous account and I don't think you've had these complaints before. I know people can change but it took you years to complain about ideas that were established when DBM first began.

You also talked about sunk cost and watching a trainwreck but is that worth all the time and effort to keep up with DBM including checking the comments for replies. It sounds like you're not looking forward to anything in the story and no longer like the general premise that was known years ago. If a long running show drops in quality, the TV ratings decline and sometimes cancelled because fewer people care to watch it. There were some fan comics or fanfics I've read that I no longer enjoyed so I either stopped reading them completely or caught up with them far less frequently. I enjoy DBM but if there came a time I lost interest then I would do the same and not spend more time on it.

I do think this flashback is taken out of context and Bra is looking for an excuse to blame Vegetto for her actions. It's already been brought up but before Bra was even born Vegetto worry that his son would be unstable and threaten the universe one day. Vegetto was also putting up with Bra and trying to help her control her power so I don't think Salagir could forget all that to make Vegetto to blame for how Bra turned out.

I agree if this scene is meant for us to sympathize with Bra so she doesn't have to face any consequences then it doesn't work. If that was really the goal, it would've made more sense to have her attempt to resist Babidi or at least show regret for her actions. I don't think that's where the story is going because she's only having this breakdown after being called out on her insecurities. I hope the special goes into more detail and reveals the whole flashback.


To be honest, this is the first time I've heard this. I've heard people say they hate Bra because she hadn't had her comeuppance yet. I can understand that but the story isn't over and I assume Salagir wouldn't give her flaws if he doesn't intend for her face consequences from them. She lost to Zen Buu and only survived because he wasn't taken them seriously. She was evil enough to be possessed by Babidi and too weak to resist him but we still have to wait to see what consequences she'll face.

Besides Bra, I'm not sure what other characters you're talking about. Several characters who had it coming have lost or been killed throughout the story. In universes where a villain has won, they suffer internal conflicts that implies they won't have a happy ending.

I agree about the Senzus and teamwork. It only happened twice but I think once would've been enough. I would've had Piccolos run out of Senzus or maybe decide to destroy them and rely on Buu to heal people so Bra wouldn't have any to steal. Bra returned and attacked them before they could come up with a plan but I still would've liked to see more teamwork and more characters attacking at once to account for what they were doing.

I have to disagree about DBM behaving like a manga with the release of a web conic though. It's been pointed out multiple times how this is far shorter than many battles from the original manga. Finding examples of other fan comics with even shorter battles doesn't mean DBM's are anywhere near the length of those found in professional manga.

I enjoy DBZ Elsewhere but it only had a chapter per year since 2018 so I usually only check it once a year and I'll have to catch up. I remember the battle between Goku and Heiwa lasted three chapters and about 45 pages which is about equal to two DBM chapters. That's longer than every battle in DBM except for this one due to this being a group battle and not a one-on-one match. U3 Raichi vs U13 Vegeta was shorter but most of the ghosts were fodder to Vegeta and easier to kill than the opponents Bra was fighting. I think this battle could've been handled better but I can't say it's too long by fan comic standards.

I respect if that's your opinion but how did you determine it's the general consensus? Less than 1% of the people who read DBM leave a comment. It's hard to determine how they feel but usually because they don't care to comment or it's already been said so they have nothing to add. Since comments vary and don't share the same opinion, it's an even smaller percentage of overall fans who have taken the time to complain or consider most of the arc a waste.

I understand wanting the story to move faster but I think the length should matter more than the time it takes to release. The entire Majin rebellion is about 1/2 to 2/3 as long as the battle against the Ginyu Force so it's already short for a battle royale involving this many characters. There's a YouTuber animating the chapters of DBM and each chapter is about 10 minutes long. The entire Majin Rebellion would be about 4 normal length anime episodes.

It took three years to release but it's going to be a completed arc far longer and however long it remains online. Shortening the story even more so it would take less time to release would only make it feel more rushed and wasted potential for future readers who would only take a few minutes to read it all.

Did you recall all your previous comments within the last month from memory? I assumed you had to double-check your comment history so you just needed to scroll down a little more to see those comments :P.

Anyway I was just curious because it seemed like you didn't have major issues with the Majin Rebellion and first two chapters of this battle. It could be you weren't interested and wanted to wait until the arc was over which you almost did since this might be the last chapter. If you feel the whole arc is filler now, you might feel it's a bigger waste of time the more time you spend on it and in the comments.

I keep up with several fan comics but DBM is the only one I read by page. The majority update much slower than DBM so I usually wait to read them by chapter every few months or year. I still offer criticism when I catch up but I don't frequent them more often and complain since that doesn't speed things up. Fan comics already have shorter battles so I rather they don't rush through them even more.

Well that's not entirely true. You had some comments a few months before:


These comments were at the end of Budokai Royale 6. What changed between the previous chapter and this one that you've come out with all these complaints this chapter? Did you expect this battle to end after she killed Gohan and shocked to find out there was another chapter after that?

Yeah you could find them here. Specials mainly exist to give the main artist more time so I decided it's more fun making my own version to pass the time than complain every page. I plan to do that with this battle once it's over. Anyway I just wanted to offer possible solutions for your criticism. I wasn't sure if you agreed or disagreed with my last comments about constructive criticism and the authors not wanting the story to feel too rushed for future readers since you didn't reply to them.

I've been reading DBM since 2011 so you're not the first person to complain about pacing/schedule and won't be the last. Same goes for almost every fan project I've seen. I've done it too after catching up with the comic but eventually I get used to it. I assumed that happened with the others who complained about it since they're around anymore.

All fan comics have shorter battles than in Z due to the slower release schedule. Almost every battle in DBM has been shorter than Goten vs Trunks or Zarbon vs Vegeta aside from two or three. The authors also don't want them to feel rushed to future readers. Blaze explained it better in a previous comment:
"Considering DBM will be a completed (or abandoned) work for far longer than it will be in the process of being made, I really hope they don't increase the pace of the comic. They're already sacrificing a lot of stuff to have new events come out within every page or couple of pages, any more would be too much.

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad" has some flaws as a quote (namely that a delayed game is not going to necessarily turn out good) but I think it applies here."


I've done that with some of the specials and plan to do that with this battle. From experience, that has taken less time to make them than frequently checking the page and having long discussions throughout those chapters.

Tone is part of it but that's usually in the definition of constructive criticism so I didn't think I would need to specify that. It's recommended in literature, business, or any interaction with another person because it has a better chance of leading to a change and requires more effort. Of course, it won't change anything in a chapter that's already drawn but it comes off as as less negative than constantly complaining so you would feel less of a need to respond to people just to defend your right to complain.

It also depends on what issues you have with the story. For example, I didn't like Bra stealing Piccolo's Senzu beans and thought it would've been better if they had fewer Senzus so they would be out of them by the time she was injured and needed it. They're out of senzu beans now so it's not going to happen again and I'm waiting to see how that affects the outcome of the battle. Other than that, I didn't have major issues and enjoyed most of it. Based on your complaints, you don't like the pacing despite it being a short battle by DB standards and you find it boring and predictable. That's perfectly fine but I don't think there's a solution for those besides waiting until the battle is over. Would you feel it's better to spend months reading it and having mostly the same complaints throughout or wait and catch up in a few minutes to give your thoughts on the battle as a whole?

Thanks pal! I was back for a while but I don't comment as much anymore.


To be fair, these took a few pages to show but you've been having the same complaints multiple times per page. I don't know what kind of professional work you've done but I assume a professional would know the difference between that and constructive criticism. I don't agree with everything that's happened in this battle so far but if I had as many complaints about it then I would've waited until the fight was over. To be honest, most of your complaints would probably be resolved if you waited until it ended since you could catch up in a few minutes.

I'm glad to see you recovered in time for the new page! I've been reading for nine years and still capable of taking a breaks. It's pretty common for fans to take breaks from long running stories when they're not interested in the current events. That way you could spend that time on something else and return when there's more content to read or watch.

Many people leave their thoughts on the page and then wait for the next release. I've noticed you're very active and many of your comments are either trying to justify your right to complaint or disagreeing with anyone pointing out the difference between complaining and constructive criticism like last page.

You're free to do that but I'm just wondering why you feel that's a better use of your time than taking a break or even just complaining once and waiting for the next page. Whether you complain once per page or keep revisiting the page to complain multiple times, it's still the same outcome. If they release the entire chapter now, it'll take a few months to complete the next chapter so it would still take the same amount of time to reach the end of this arc.

That's the common definition of "constructive criticism".


I agree. That's why I think complaining about the pacing when it's a pretty short battle by DB standards and demanding the fight end quicker isn't going to help since this part of the story is already written and drawn in advance. You're free to complain but it's not doing it multiple times per page is going to increase the likelihood of it changing anything.

There were more complaints when you posted his comment and has pointed that out before. I'm not sure why anyone would get upset over it. If they want to complain, no need to take comments about them in general personally.


You cut me real deep just now :(. Why would you assume I'm playing devil's advocate? I agree there's a difference between offering constructive criticism that could benefit the story and constantly complaining about what you don't like or something the author can't change like the release schedule.

I noticed he didn't quote anyone in particular and talking about the comments in general. One would only be upset by what he said if they felt it was directed at them. Here's a more detailed explanation of what Jim meant:

"The line between complaining and criticism is thin. Criticism is associated with judgements that are well thought-out and constructive in that they may offer a way forward. Criticism is an earnest attempt to improve something where complaining is verbalization of negative emotions and dissatisfaction."

Jim was merely pointing out the difference between constructive criticism and people who only complain. If you felt he was being hypocritical, are you saying you would agree with that comment if someone else said it?

You said: If they dont want their work criticized, the only answer is to lock it up where no one can see it.

Doesn't that go both ways? If you don't want your complaints criticized, the only answer is to lock it up where no one can see them :P. If you feel you were offering constructive criticism then you have nothing to get upset over or assume Jim was talking about you.

Sorry you feel they don't care about the fans. DBM is one of the very few fan comics with a release schedule and the vast majority either only release a page per week or whenever the artist has free time. While the next page has been delayed by a few days, at least we know when to expect it and not have to keep checking back every few weeks waiting for an update.

It's fixed now! Sorry we forgot to set the minicomics to update automatically. The pages appear in English first before being translated to other languages so the English page for this section is ready for Wednesday.


Jim! How have you been?? We've been worried and looking for a way to contact you. I even wrote you a poem :(.

I'm Spartacus!

I've been good. Same old same old. There's a link to the DBM Discord chat on the forum. Join us :D.

Hello old pal! I'm mostly on the DBM Discord and sometimes the forum. Nice seeing you again!