>killed children
>killed
>ed
Glad we got that squared away. Meanwhile, Roshi still (sexually) assaults them.

>backlash
Did you have a point here? Roshi sure hasn't had any.

>it isn't about
It is.

>never showed regrets
Does he need to in canon (Super has what you seek for what that is worth)? He just stopped doing it (unlike Roshi).

>pass mistake
>pass
What? Like throw them?

>not a role model
He came from a bad place with different standards and adjusted instead of isolating himself to an island outside the law. Vegeta is easily superior to Roshi even morally. I'm glad I was able to assist you with this understanding.


>almostnone
I don't follow. 1 Replie(s)

>on about things no longer the case
>reformed murderer
>this versus an unrepentant pervert who has not changed
See? Are you getting it? 1 Replie(s)

>I read what you said and deliberately ignored that it is about canon
Of course you did. That's what casual fans do. They are secondaries, so this is natural. Thus your link to the adaptation and continued talk about it as if it has any value to the discussion (a meme perception colored by Koyamaverse).

>still humors the joke naming
Piccolo's technique, rather. You a child, then? That how it is? Is this why you deliberately insist on being wrong?

>it worked
See?

>greatly outclassed in the manga
Not so much in the anime where this was being done, thus the move gets put over (even with two doing it). Write that one down, will ya? Don't forget that part with Gas knocking out UIku since you enjoy Super (based on Zammy with his sexually questionable bodysnatching small minded tea maid-boy wasted his super wish in hilarious fashion). Frieza? Blasted the piss out of Pickle Man for raffs. Do I really need to go over all the canon cases (much less get into the horrible mess that is the glorified cartoon with its many, many more instances of these things)?

>as for the other thing
>cites non-canon
>it is an anime link
As ever. Why do you waste words? Even humoring your nonsense, he did that to Toppo (who beat Gokeks ass, by the way) and then defeated him in the continuity where he did it (not that it matters given we're talking Super). Again, Vegeta did it, then beat his opp. Gohan did it and Dabura skedaddled. He did it again and paid the price (no Bejita around to make it work). Vegeta did it exactly once and won. Gokek did it before him and twice (losing both times with one occasion being against Vegeta). The whole thing is a ridiculous forced narrative by know-nothings among the fanbase.

At least with the 'Vegeta technique' gag it is partly owed to a ridiculous thing from CANON (where the not-so-clever former MC wrongly attributes a ki barrage from Buu as copied from Vegeta who never used it against the tubby genie what makes this even worse would be the failed protagonist actually does know the first to do it and was the first person it got used on yet he said this because his author/writer was senile even then). There is no excuse for the attribution of said gesture to Vegeta saved Toei coloring perception with the most famously pushed case being the 'Ore Wa' against Semi. This same tier of fans would be under the impression Trunks blasted Vegeta away, but guess what didn't happen in reality? That. Stick to primary when discussing 'what is'.

NOTE: As Mr92 noted, LA is not the source. TFS isn't either. Not even for Gokek being a terrible father, husband, friend, hero, lover, etc. That was canon (and known to manga purists long before the modern fans were born). These comedy channels just amplify memes (unfortunately, often mistaken as truths as in the LA case or 'just jokes' as in the TFS case). 2 Replie(s)

>defeat flag
Jobber Pose? The first in Z to do it was Gokek. And the second (against Bejita, whom beat his ass for it). Vegeta used it once in canon (and won). Even Rice Junior got away with it once (with the help of his prince). Not so much the second time. The first time in full canon DB? Tao against KEKarot (former got his face BTFO by a frag). Official material uses it way, way more with mixed results, too.

As for ki barrage, Pickle made that move (but uses it rarely and poorly). Geets uses it more, but with better results. It has worked before well enough (even in official material like killing Future Gohan). Gas put JOBku down with a KO win using that, which is a horrible look, but it happened. Does it have the best record? No. Is it a Vegeta move? No. Those are the facts (like Vegeta being 4-0 over his vassal in canon). 1 Replie(s)

>Sally gives Gokek the dub
Because someone who isn't AT had to. What a nice guy.

>Mystic
Funny. Of course, the potential of Gokek is laughable. He already had SKW giving him passive Oozaru. Frankly, his SS3 should be all you can expect of him, but in base (leaving room only for KK to help give him a fighting chance against his Lord Prince). Vegeta should have a massive gain and more potential, but not so much as to surpass a hybrid like Gohan (creating an upper limit). Of course, DBM plays by its own rules (as with the incorrect interpretation of Broly's LSS with power gain with time versus simple ki gathering with limitation). As we all know, Geets only ever defeats his vassal in canon, but there is no telling how it will go here.

>gave Geets the PSYCHOku look
Weird.

>just two fights
Vegeta is 4-0 at this point. Undefeated against Goku. Will Sally go against AT's will, or will he honor it with the 5-0 ducked by way of running off with a little brown boy in EoZ? Find out next time.

>21 easily won
Of course. Still, I'm left wondering, what's this all about?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AikqaGsSmUU

>sucker punching
You say that like it has any significance other than as a coping tool for those with house rules based in a culture of honor. Real fights don't work this way. Deceit, outside help, boosts, items and still more. All legit. This wasn't the Budokai. RO, killing, early/late hits and more are all fair game. No refs. No DQs. Guldo paid with his life. Gokek should have paid with his existence, but was spared by his Lord and Liege, Bejita-sama. A merciful master.

>only people recognizing the win are
Not scrubs, yes. They ACCEPT the will of AT. The feelings, thoughts, etc. of others don't change what is, was and forever shall be. What could have been (SS3 is a jobber form and even more so in the hands of Buu Saga Jobalot) doesn't matter, either. 2-0 is THE SCORE. THE STREAK of the NEMESIS over his vassal (Son Jobku). That he employed a repeat from Namek (he lifted off Cui's failed attempt *who was just a poor imitation of Krillin's weak application from years earlier*) successfully just shows the weakness of 'our hero' never went away. Naive to a fault (something Pickle chided Gotenks for).

>any bone
Shall we go over "bones" given by the creator who so loathes this man? I don't mind helping you with this. How about being the only Oozaru master? No other was ever shown to have full control in that state. No other was shown NOT passing out when reverted. No other was shown to have a means to force it (though Vegeta states it was just an elite technique and not exclusive). The primary MC was an Oozarulet. Smaller than others (even his would-be replacement was the full size as at a much younger age). Couldn't even fire mouth blasts. His boy at least broke through being berserk on his second go at the form (with help, mind you).

GG? Just a better KMHM (which failed to even do more than cosmetic and emotional damage to our Prince with more than a 77% advantage *Vegeta killed Dodoria instantly with generics at less than 33% over him*). Pure and simple. An equivalent move with an obvious power advantage (in excess of 33% as made clear when his disadvantage didn't hinder him from getting a stalemate against KKx3). He made it as a young man (Roshi spent 50 years of his 300+ year life). Without masters, training or even zenkai. Kept surpassing it, too. Can't even say FF suffers from charge-up as that is anime-only (was only concerned Cell would evade it).

Got the main heroine while the protagonist got shafted with AT's wife's insert. Said to be done to make AT draw her more (he didn't), but more likely for raffs (spiting the shippers like his editor and annoying fans). The proof of their union (Trunks *a fabulously popular character*) is a Terminator reference that goes on to save all of creation. His being freed up from main villain status prevented him from jobbing or perma-dying as was planned (Fridge was invented to do this in his place *a nice legacy that his popularity led to this character in the first place*). Who directly helped Rice take out the bug? Geets. Who took Buuhan down to size and made SB actually work? You already know. How he suffers for being hated by the mangaka...If only he was treated like the author's sometime favorite (whom he is basically just a better version of *Big Green*). Alas. Anyway, 3-0 when? 2 Replie(s)

I was only ever under the impression Buu was additive with absorption though there seemed to be a problem with his 'evil' conflicting with sufficiently 'good' people (watering down his power). Being Mr. Buu, that should not be an issue, but it is hard to say. Broly is given different properties in DBM and is scaled up drastically. Even the difference between fighters is not like in canon (Vegeta should be nothing to SS3 Goku who is nothing to Gotenks who is nothing to Gohan). If Gohan was getting thrashed, the power offered by the others would be worth nothing more than a mere momentary distraction. Technique should decide things if they are to have hope.

Tien should just ECW Broly away. Still, letting Buu absorb him would give access to the broken Tri-Beam (even before the DBM take on the anime version). This in tandem with the other fighters adding power would (against this Broly) with how DBM treats the fighters should let him hang for a bit, but he should just use Tri-Beam to blow him away, ECW to seal him, absorb him outright or catch him with Candy Beam (perhaps in some creative way even if only making a barrier of the thing around himself with a ki barrier underneath to make it safe).

>Gokeks think WEAKu is the strongest in EoZ
Not in canon. Also, SS3 is a jobber form (he would just get GOT by his Prince again as always).

>Gokek gives up again
>jobs to his Lord and Liege, Prince Bejita-sama AGAIN
3-0, baby. AT willed it so.

He seemed quite a lot taller during 1-0 and 2-0. Even before 1-0, really (sole canon Oozaru Master showed the Oozarulet relying on purple drank *SKW* how it is done).

2-0 is pretty funny. But seriously, 3-0 when? AT wills it, after all. 1 Replie(s)

Or bother to save her? What's the point of keeping her around? For laughs? If he is fretting over being replaced, he going to wish for immortality, then?

>the jobber point of Vegeta
As infamous as it is mistaken. Toei added quite a lot of this gesture (and not just for Vegeta). However, in canon, you will find there are just four examples to look at. What are they? Goku just before he faces off with Raditz the first time. Outcome? OHKO with a knee to the gut. Not Vegeta, but he did lose after doing it. Who is next? 17, as it happens. He does it just before getting beaten down and absorbed by Imperfect Cell. Well, 2:2. Still not Vegeta, but guess who is next?

That's right. And he does it to Semi-Perfect Cell. Then beats him ragged. He won (and we'll get back to that). The last is Gohan against Super Buu. Supes absorbs his way (rather than just taking Gohan from the start) into a position to pound the boy. So, three of the four times it led to disaster showing it tends to go poorly. The exception? Vegeta. Who gets associated with it (and losing)? Vegeta. Curious. Sort of like his being paired up with ki spam (Ma Junior was the first, Goku said Buu learned it from Vegeta despite it never getting used, others did it more in canon, etc.).

Getting back to the fight with Cell, some will contend (incorrectly) Vegeta was played, so Cell had not lost and instead won. Not so. Cell was blubbering about 'what if' when Vegeta took interest in the talk of how things would be different were he to become perfect. Cell quickly wipes away his tears and puts on an act even as Vegeta openly acknowledges he is allowing this farcical "deception". Vegeta beat Cell, but gave him a chance at a round 2. That it went poorly for him is another story entirely. He didn't throw out the pose in question before that, so there is no reason to pair it with him. Super means nothing, but even humoring it, you get a case like before Toppo (where Vegeta wins). Best to stick with 'what is', eh? That they have him doing it against Moro (with the tendency to humor anime-only nonsense) does bode poorly, true. I just wonder where DBM goes with it.