Well well well... If he reached out to U13 is because he's not as powerful as he looks and he knows it. He must have some weakness or something, or he wouldn't care about making "allies".

Paaah was saying: Hopefully this is Trunks messing around, otherwise Black might just impale him like the first Trunks.
Trunks isn't messing around, you're supposed to take it steadily in a fight or you'll just exhaust yourself, or worse, fall to an unexpected attack because you didn't measure your opponent.

carlosfc escribió: Saso escribió: Nota del traductor:
No me gusta como queda la traducción literal de "Ooooooh, cheater cheater cheater!!" En español, es muy largo, la elegí porque es lo que pidieron en páginas pasadas, en francés es "Ooooh le gros tricheur !!" Que vendría siendo algo así como "Ohhhh, ¡eres un gran tramposo!" Pero no me gusta tampoco, había pensado colocarle "Ohhhh, ¡Vaya tramposillo!" Ya que la idea es que se transmita el tono infantil de Kakarotto, y si bien con la inglesa traducida literalmente se puede, queda mal de espacio, mientras que la francesa literal siento que pierde el toque infantil, entonces se me ocurrió dejarlo a votación de los lectores, gracias por su feedback.

Yo tiraria por no hacer una traduccion literal y pondria algo al estilo "Ooooh. El viejales tramposo"
Sigue teniendo un tono infantil pero no peca de repeticion.
Jajaja excelente, voy a poner las opciones en una lista para que voten entre todos:
Opción0: "Ooooh, ¡¡¡tramposo tramposo tramposo!!!
Opción1: "Ooooh, ¡¡¡el viejales tramposo!!!"
Opción2: "Ooooh, ¡¡¡Vaya tramposillo!!!"
Opción3: "Ooooh, ¡¡¡ Tramposo!!!"
Opcion4: "Ooooh, ¡¡¡Vaya pillo!!!"
Opcion5: "Ooooh, ¡¡¡ Que tramposo!!!"

Zen Kuu was saying: Your nickel was saying: Zen Kuu was saying: Why is everyone acting shocked that Vegito says he’s immune to poison? This isn’t anything new in Dragon Ball…
Goku on Snake Way — he stops at Princess Snake’s palace, and they try to seduce him into staying by giving him food and drinks laced with substances meant to affect him. But Goku? He just eats everything, drinks it all down like it’s nothing, and keeps going like it didn’t even touch him.
So if that Goku — the one who had just lost to Raditz — could casually shrug it off, then Vegito, who’s millions of times stronger, saying he’s immune shouldn’t surprise anyone.
That was anime filler
Yes, it’s filler — but in DBM we have Bojack, Janemba, Broly, Cooler, and a bunch of other non-canon stuff. So?
Just saying, this isn’t something Salagir randomly made up — it’s something we’ve already seen before
I wouldn't have any problem with that reasoning if it were implied to have happened in DBM's continuity. But it never was, and therefore wouldn't work as foreshadowing for this "poison immunity". We've seen Goku get killed by a virus, so there's no reason to assume a sufficiently strong poison couldn't do the trick too.

Zen Kuu was saying: Why is everyone acting shocked that Vegito says he’s immune to poison? This isn’t anything new in Dragon Ball…
Goku on Snake Way — he stops at Princess Snake’s palace, and they try to seduce him into staying by giving him food and drinks laced with substances meant to affect him. But Goku? He just eats everything, drinks it all down like it’s nothing, and keeps going like it didn’t even touch him.
So if that Goku — the one who had just lost to Raditz — could casually shrug it off, then Vegito, who’s millions of times stronger, saying he’s immune shouldn’t surprise anyone.
That was anime filler

Miscojones escribió: Como les de a los cuatro por pasar a Ozaru...
Ellos ya lo saben tratarán qué eso no pase

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Zen Kuu escribió: La traducción en inglés sería más como: Tú eres el menos indicado para hablar. Si va a por ti, por algo será. O puede ser: Tú eres el menos indicado para hablar. Si va tras de ti, debe tener buenas razones.

Esta escena es antes o después de que XXI pida su deseo?
Estás corrigiendo la traducción inglesa o la española? Toma en cuenta que aquí no traducimos en2es sino fr2es y fr2en(está última la estoy corrigiendo pero no suben las correcciones, opponent y round 2 en la página anterior por ejemplo en lugar de enemy y rematch), yo creo que el original en francés "tu puedes hablar" es literal y Vegetto no está siendo sarcástico, sino que es un añadido que le dieron en inglés, igualmente cada uno tendrá su opinión, al final tu peux parler también :)
El capítulo en su totalidad transcurre antes de la ceremonia de premios.
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Gonzalo Dixon escribió: Ya me esta aburriendo lo que demora el ritual de Raditz, con el hype que nos dieron y lo que nos tienen esperando yo creo que mas que un "humor clasico de dragon ball" el que luego no sirva para nada seria una broma de muy mal gusto...
Hola! Bienvenido a DBM, me encanta ver nuevos usuarios acercarse, te aseguro que falta poco, si lees unos comentarios más arriba, el ritual de Raditz ya superó en tiempo al de Gohan, genéticamente el potencial de Raditz debería ser el mismo o muy similar al de Goku, así que ahí lo dejo.

happywarrior99 was saying: U5 XXI can eat energy and matter on a scale big enough to the point that he can eat an entire universe and he already had eaten the DBM version of Universe 5, thus sealing U5 XXI inside an object would result in U5 XXI eating/absorbing that object from the inside.
We can't be sure whether they meant "He ate the universe itself" or "he ate everything inside of the universe". In any case, I can't think of any good reason he'd be able to escape Mafuba just by being able to eat energy

I may have missed something here. I get that the senzu beans are all gone & that Gast was not able to fully restore Vegetto's strength after the IKL interruption. Not to mention he went SSJ3 against Zen Buu (to no avail). But is there any OTHER reason why Vegetto would be considered "weak"? Is it just injury/exhaustion & lack of food, or is it something else?

Sigma57f escribió: Saso escribió: A continuación les dejo la traducción del comentario que Salagir acaba de postear en ingles, aclarando que el Kaioshin no está vacilando a Vegetto:
Salagir escribió: ¡Waaah! Esta página fue extremadamente malinterpretada. Quizás una de las páginas más malentendidas en DBM.
Obviamente es culpa mía por no contarlo bien, pero me fastidia muchísimo que se quedara TAN lejos de lo que pretendía.
Esta página contiene dos revelaciones.
1Explica por qué Vegetto ignoró a Son Bra cuando intentó hablar con él. Hubo mucha especulación en esta página y fue genial. Aquí viene la explicación, [b]casi sin reacciones[b].
Probablemente culpa mía: simplemente rehacer el panel de "espera" no fue suficiente, quizás debería haber añadido un panel copiando a Vegetto caminando hacia el corredor, para añadir algo de contexto. Culpa mía por querer hacer el menor número de paneles posible.
2El Kaioshin Anciano revela, bastante asombrado él mismo, ¡que Vegetto de repente es más débil! Lo sintió mientras tenía este contacto telepático privilegiado. Es una sorpresa para él y para el lector. No, él no lo provoca.
Es cierto que si lees el texto en voz alta, dependiendo del tono, las dos últimas burbujas podrían interpretarse como una burla, o como un descubrimiento sorprendente. ¡Por eso hay que tener cuidado con lo que se escribe en Internet, nunca sabes con qué tono se va a leer!
Error mío: puede que el anciano en el último panel no parezca lo suficientemente sorprendido, y el hecho de que esté apretando los dientes puede mostrarlo agresivo. Debería haber pensado en eso y haber pedido cambios.

Si ese es el caso, entonces cambiar la traducción a algo como "Espera... ¡Vegetto, te encuentras débil!" o "Vegetto... ¡¡estás débil!!" daría menos lugar a confusiones, tal vez. Algo similar a eso creo que funcionaría, y sería más cercano a la intención original de Salagir
Si el cambia el original en francés, podría cambiarlo en español, pero si.




carlosfc escribió: Me hace demasiada gracia como aqui Vegeto esta contento cuando se le ve enfadado todo el rato.
Sigo diciendo control mental por parte de XXI y consiguiente leccion de que "Librarse del control mental no es facil" para Vegetto.
Eso es porque en el presente no ha comido nada.


mich.sp escribió: carlosfc escribió: Me hace demasiada gracia como aqui Vegeto esta contento cuando se le ve enfadado todo el rato.
Sigo diciendo control mental por parte de XXI y consiguiente leccion de que "Librarse del control mental no es facil" para Vegetto.
Pensando en esto, y en la corrección de Salagir, quizás Vegetto va a hacer frente a XXI y éste le ofrezca curarlo al 100%, y por eso en la premiación se lo vé tan diferente y relajado, luego de confrontar a XXI (cosa que sabemos ocurrirá por el adelanto de las noticias)


Zen Kuu escribió: mich.sp escribió: carlosfc escribió: Me hace demasiada gracia como aqui Vegeto esta contento cuando se le ve enfadado todo el rato.
Sigo diciendo control mental por parte de XXI y consiguiente leccion de que "Librarse del control mental no es facil" para Vegetto.
Pensando en esto, y en la corrección de Salagir, quizás Vegetto va a hacer frente a XXI y éste le ofrezca curarlo al 100%, y por eso en la premiación se lo vé tan diferente y relajado, luego de confrontar a XXI (cosa que sabemos ocurrirá por el adelanto de las noticias) Yo comparto tu teoría. Pienso que XXI le va a ofrecer a Vegito algunas senzu , sacadas de su orto (como todo lo que hace este tipo) y Vegito, aceptará felizmente Sigma57f escribió: Si ese es el caso, entonces cambiar la traducción a algo como "Espera... ¡Vegetto, te encuentras débil!" o "Vegetto... ¡¡estás débil!!" daría menos lugar a confusiones, tal vez. Algo similar a eso creo que funcionaría, y sería más cercano a la intención original de Salagir Si es buena idea Saso, para que la gente que apenas vaya a leer la página no lo mal interprete, no todos leen los comentarios, aunque de cualquier manera supongo que la página de mañana aclara mejor la intención del diálogo.
Vaya vaya, ya edite la traducción ^^, la siguiente página no profundiza en el estado de Vegetto, así que lo mejor era editarlo.

carlosfc escribió: Me hace demasiada gracia como aqui Vegeto esta contento cuando se le ve enfadado todo el rato.
Sigo diciendo control mental por parte de XXI y consiguiente leccion de que "Librarse del control mental no es facil" para Vegetto.
Pensando en esto, y en la corrección de Salagir, quizás Vegetto va a hacer frente a XXI y éste le ofrezca curarlo al 100%, y por eso en la premiación se lo vé tan diferente y relajado, luego de confrontar a XXI (cosa que sabemos ocurrirá por el adelanto de las noticias)

Si ese es el caso, entonces cambiar la traducción a algo como "Espera... ¡Vegetto, te encuentras débil!" o "Vegetto... ¡¡estás débil!!" daría menos lugar a confusiones, tal vez. Algo similar a eso creo que funcionaría, y sería más cercano a la intención original de Salagir

Whaaah. This page was extremely misunderstood. Maybe one of the most misunderstood pages in DBM.
It's obviously my fault for not telling it right, but I'm on my ass that it fell so FAR short of the mark.

This page contains two revelations.
1. it explains why Vegetto ignored Son Bra when she tried to talk to him. Speculation was rife on this page and it was great. Here comes the explanation, almost no reaction.
Probably my fault: just redoing the "hang on" panel wasn't enough, maybe I should have added a panel copying Vegetto walking towards the corridor, to add some context. My fault for wanting to make as few panels as possible.
2. The Old Kaioshin reveals, quite astonished himself, that Vegetto is suddenly weaker! He felt it while he was having this privileged telepathic contact. It's a surprise for him and the reader. No, he doesn't provoke it.
It's true that if you read the text out loud, depending on the tone, the last two bubbles could come across as roast, or as a surprising discovery. That's why you have to be careful about what you write on the Internet - you never know what tone it's going to be read in!
My mistake: the old man in the last panel may not look surprised enough, and the fact that he's clenching his teeth may show him to be aggressive. I should have thought of that and asked for changes.

Zen Kuu escribió: Muchos dicen que Vegetto está fuera de personaje, pero en realidad su desarrollo ha sido lento, constante y lleva más de 10 años construyéndose. Él llegó al torneo creyendo que iba a arrasar sin problema, porque en su universo nunca tuvo rivales. Siempre fue el más fuerte, y nunca se le cuestionó.

Pero todo ha sido un golpe a su orgullo. XXI lo elimina con un truco barato, Gast lo controla con magia, Zen Buu lo humilla con habilidades rotísimas, I’K’L casi lo mata con otro truco, y encima se está muriendo de hambre. No ha perdido por fuerza bruta, sino por no poder hacer nada ante habilidades que lo sobrepasan en otros sentidos.

Y hay que recordar: la parte de Vegeta en Vegetto nunca vivió la redención frente a Kid Buu. No soltó su orgullo, y ahora está enfrentando, por primera vez, una realidad que no puede controlar. Poco a poco, lo están rompiendo emocionalmente. Su frustración no viene de la nada, ni es exagerada. Es el resultado de una caída que ha sido construida paso a paso desde hace años.

Goku le gana.

pregunta muchachos sabemos que babidi cuando posesiona a una persona esta presenta un majin en su cabeza o pecho como lo vimos en yakon y pui pui, pero en teoria un majin podia esconder esa marca para tener un bajo perfil??

He shouldnt be able to send Goku back because Goku was supposed to be on the arena when Vegetto loses control.

De la misma manera que babidi pudo controlar a todos desde su apartamento
¿Y cuál "manera" es esa? Porque no se ha mencionado nunca, más allá de que a Salagir se le haya olvidado lo que dijo en páginas como la 482.

Ok, so whoever wrote this just saw that one panel with Cell, didn't understand it or the character and thought Goku gives up easily?

Seriously, this whole thing is painfully stupid and out of character

Goku's first response to hearing about Buu and Frieza was "I wanna fight them
His first time meeting Beerus he immediately asked to spar
When hearing he died without getting to fight the androids His first response was regretting a different version of him didn't get to fight

Heck, even with Cell, he planned from the start to let Gohan do it and knew he had no chance but he still fought first anyway

Simply put, Goku would NEVER give up without trying and if its "friendly" setting he'll definitely try fighting the stronger opponent just to see how well he measures up (it is completely in character for him to even challenge Vegetto to a spar just to see how well he'd do)

So yeah, either this is XXI's wish (which shouldn't be possible unless that dragon is actually stronger then Goku) or someone here really has no clue about Goku's character to ever write something this out of character

Eso más que una buena noticia es una amenaza jaja

I get some readers have been too extreme in their critiques and they repeat themselves like a broken record but this isn't exactly the right way to respond to that.

That said, what a crazy fusion name!

No puede ser Gohan, Bulma y Krilin no habrían mentido...
Y SI ESA ERA LA MENTIRA? Gohan podría haber entrenado en la máquina del tiempo y eso explicaría porque es tan grande, los Saiyan crecen de repente. Lo que no entiendo es porqué mentirian a gast, por qué querrían mantenerlo en secreto?

Zen Kuu was saying: It looks like false ssj transformation, still cool tho
Not really. This looks the same to you?



Have you never seen Goku's first SSJ transformation on Namek? ;D

No, no cometo ningún error enorme, de hecho eres tú quien no tiene en cuenta que Broly está tan sumamente loco que solo de la rabia de ver que se está conviertiendo en piedra, le puede rebentar la cabeza a Dabura. No hace falta que sepa que eso lo parará o no, es simplemente ser el animal que es.

El problema es que Broly es capaz de matar a Dabura antes de convertirse totalmente en piedra y así deja de estarlo xD

PrimeFighter was saying: I love how Giran troll nigerundayo'ed emoted on the Android after using the Merry Go Round Gum xddd


Giran’s gum did not even work on the underling of King Piccolo.

Super Gojita 3 was saying: Shabby was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: so...the gang made things worse by doing something?

never mind the idea of just letting brolly burn through his life force with lssj, they had like what...10-15 years of mayhem?

just let him run his course and then use porunge and moori who are sitting in otherworld alive and waiting for brolly to die, they summon porunga when he is dead and just reset everything with the exception of brolly

even if brolly breaks the ice barrier that way, he already did so in this example.

I'm not a fan of the outcome or how anyone is portrayed, and I don't care what sal did with u20

Of course, the characters probably didn't know about Broly's lifespan.

The biggest problem, as I've always said, is that Broly defeated a character far more powerful than any of them, MegaBuu v1, and their Plan A was just to jump him all together. Plan B was incomparably better.

They also know that Broly defeated a Black Hole lol.

Plan C, unseen, was the best. Buu absorb Gogeta as well. And Janemba when he shows up. By golly, I bet he'd be almost as powerful as fatigued Vegito (lol)

And these characters aren't stupid. They're identical to Z fighters, except that Broly missed the sun. We can tell, since Uub and Buu are there.

Team power never works in Dragonball directly. It always has to be combined in one person. (Fusion, Spirit Bomb, Broly Movie)

A team did beat a worn-down Vegeta.

Vegeta helped vs cell, but Cell was struggling v Gohan, Vegeta offered a distraction.

In Father/Son Kamehameha, it was more morale boosting. Goku didn't actually contribute to it.

>brollys life span

even if they don't know about it, they know he isn't immortal. so they just need to wait until he dies of regular old age and fix things.

it really is a matter of running the clock. they don't get older in otherworld, and well, the whole "lssj burns out quicker" is a happy accident that works out in their favor.

they could even just pull a xxi and warp brolly like they did vegetto into an endless series of HTC liek distortions, and each one has an accelerated aging property like freezas ability in dbm.

and if they can't come up with a complex plan like that, running the clock was always an option.

I know these are saiyans, but eventually they get scared too and don't do brute force ideas on their own.

using gogeta was a good idea, but they should have had gogeta merge with gotenks via potara, and have buu absorb them, and then maybe try magic if that isn't something brolly can lssj through like the lack of air.

old kai should have made goku and vegeta mystic, as well as any other good guy and have buu absorb them.

lots of possible ideas, never mind the obvious oe of just letting brolly die of old age and then he dies before that because they don't know his life force fizzles out sooner due to lssj.
"Wait them out so they die by old age" is more of a Supreme Kai plan. Goku and the rest have never been the type to just sit back and let Broly kill all the innocent people he wants during the time they'd be waiting.

Idea random, ¿No se le podría haber encerrado con un Mafuba o eso se explicó anteriormente?

No sé, pero dejando a un lado la calidad de dibujo, que fue algo irregular (y en ocasiones la historia incoherente), lo que realmente me da la sensación es que hemos estado viendo 73 páginas llenas de tácticas y estrategias que no sirvieron para nada.

A lo que me refiero es que no es lo mismo un comic de 15 páginas donde un villano gana y se establece que Broly es una amenaza invencible (el propósito del especial), a lo que hemos visto. ¿De qué sirve, como lector, involucrarse en la planificación de la batalla tan detallada y variada y con giros constantes y pasar semanas viendo cómo se desarrollan acciones inútiles, solo para que al final toda la realidad deje de existir? No es un "bad ending", es literalmente lo peor que podría pasar en el universo. Para un resultado así, pues se puede resumir en pocas páginas en lugar de cerca de la centena.

Supongo que la sensación que te deja es subjetiva, pero así es como me siento yo tras haberlo leído y por el tono de cachondeo en plan "fuck it" de los demás, veo que la cosa es generalizada.

No, this comic is supposed to take place after Broly was sent back to his universe, right?

I think Uub had one line, Bojack too (who cares), Janemba was a distraction. Raditz and Nappa got more screentime than almost everyone, but the final three fighters.

It genuinely feels like, much like Chibi Son Bra, each page was mostly just what he felt like drawing next, which is part of why we never saw Gogeta and Buu attacking together.

It's a sad thing, the chance at Buunemba could have been cool. This always could have branched to a sub-branch of U20.

I really enjoyed the first part of this special and am looking forward to this. But I gotta admit. Making Gast stupid just killed his character a bit to me which is unfortunate.

Will never like Broly as a character.

Majin Wasabi comentó:

A Vegetto lo tomo por sorpresa el hecho de que el tiempo transcurría más lento en la dimensión a la que lo mandaron, y por eso se tomó su tiempo en volver (20 segundos).

Goku ya debe tener eso en mente, puede anticipar esto y regresar inmediatamente al milisegundo de ser enviado a la dimensión. XXI debe saber esto tambien. Seria muy tonto de Goku caer en el mismo truco que Vegetto.

Esos 20 segundos se traducen en una hora y 44 minutos (374400 segundos). Eso significa que para que Goku se ausente por 30 segundos, tiene que tardar más de 0,0016 segundos en volver (1,6 milisegundos). Le da tiempo a darse cuenta que lo han teletransportado, acumular una gran energía y romper la dimensión en menos de 2 milisegundos?

So why did Buu even try to absorb him? Couldn't Gogeta have just used the Stardust Breaker on Broly directly?

Y con eso llegamos al final de este capítulo, espero que hayan disfrutado la traducción.

Tenemos varios anuncios el día de hoy:
>DBMColors:
Volvemos al ritmo de publicación de 4 páginas semanales.

>Proyecto exportador de páginas viejas:
Como seguimos mejorando esta versión, aprendí a exportar las páginas en Photoshop, pueden revisar desde la page 2437 en adelante, estoy exportando el capitulo poco a poco para que sea facil de descargar, cualquier error o mejoras posibles que encuentren no duden en comentarlo en la página respectiva.

Agradecimiento especial a @ProtoZeroX que exportó casi todas las páginas del capítulo 98(el de IKL) pueden ir a verlo a partir de la page 2301.

Cualquiera que desee unirse al recién iniciado esfuerzo exportador de DBM Español, puede acercarse al Discord no oficial en español.

Pretendemos exportar todas las páginas desde la 2101 en adelante, capítulos de trama principal primero, luego especiales, luego quizás DBM Colors.

>Color del Dragón Ancestral:
El día de ayer Asura coloreó la page 2461, ahora mismo no puedo entrar a Twitch, por lo que, si alguien se anima a sacar screenshots de la imagen y subirla se lo agradecería :) el señor Dragón Ancestral es verde.

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>Estadísticas página 2461

Mantenemos el 3er lugar, veremos cómo evoluciona con el especial que se viene :)

Unless Gohan been brainwashed, he will protect his old friends. Nobody knows if Piccolo and Goku were revived. 10 years is a long time. I would like to see Yamcha or Tien kicking the crap out of Raditz

Slug's not canon here

Ummm... es verdad, Gast fue el único que mató a dos enemigos en las peleas del torneo, ¡INCREÍBLE! pero, ¿Qué hace Vegeto ahí? ¿No se suponía que iba a averiguar lo que hacía XXI? pero, ¿No deberían también dar premio a la lucha más larga del torneo sin contar los altercados?

papupata was saying: Shoulda just turned Broly into chocolate
bad idea, remember what happened when VEGETTO was turned into chocolate?

So, I guess Gast is not going to tell everyone how XXI continued to attack/consume him after forfeiting? Because it should be obvious to him that XXI is evil and that he is an uncontrollable evil threat. One that SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ALREADY. I mean I would not like that to be what happens, it would be lame, but it bugs me that it is just being ignored that it happened. The rules need to be consistent for the stakes to stay high.

Zen Kuu was saying: I feel like XXI needs more than 1 wish, very very curious what he wants to wish for, he seems very calculated and intelligent, so my guess is that his wishes must be very special ones

He'll probably wish to be able to access the multiverse

En cuanto personajes, sin contar a la Mary sue, Multiverse lo ha hecho casi todo bien. Para mi el que peor lleva Salagir es Goku, que lo pone demasiado tonto rollo abridge y no capta bien su personalidad.

The reason you don't understand actually, is Bra could've fought the mind control off. She VOLUNTARILY gave into the ecstasy of Babidi's spell. Even after she allowed the spell to resolve, she could've fought back to some degree at least, like Majin Vegeta did, but she didn't and chose to murder everyone instead..

bra, being insuferable even when she thinks she has stopped being insuferable.

her reasoning now: i couldnt win and the person that beat me couldnt win, so of course this other guy cant possibly win either so im going to go negotiate something that is not up to me to negotiate even when i should just stay in my corner and shut up

And Bra, what happened to her? Where is her cold arrogance? Yeah I get she was humiliated before to some extend and did probably change her perspective a bit but just trying to negotiate with the big bad like that feels out of character too, especially with this short time in between.

XXI can win against Goku already, the trick he used on Vegetto is plenty,.

Hace tiempo teoricé, y hoy reitero, que el mayor punto débil de XXI terminaría siendo el tiempo entre rondas.

Hay que pensar que en su universo este tío ganó hace 75 millones de años (que fue cuando en el principal encerró al kaio viejo) así que cuando los vargas lo recogieron, si bien podía imaginar que en los otros universos fue derrotado hace todo ese tiempo, desconocía hasta que punto lo podían conocer los Kaio Shins actuales. Podían no conocerlo (como hemos visto con los Kaios organizadores, que no sabían que el Kaio viejo estaba en la espada Z) o podían conocerlo y echarlo ipso facto por la amenaza que representa.

Así que usó un señuelo, el cuerpo del viejo, para no ser reconocido. Y ha sido útil, el único que ha podido reconocerlo ha sido el Kaio anciano y tardó un rato en darse cuenta por el señuelo. No obstante el señuelo es un punto débil, es muy débil. Si lo destruyen XXI se expone en su verdadera forma. Y si bien tiene un poder y unas habilidades tochas, lo pueden hechar por ser quien es. Así que se ve obligado a recurrir únicamente a la magia y a preguntarle a su colega que trucos concretos hay que utilizar para cada adversario.

Y hasta aquí todo bien para él. Pero resulta que el colega es un dragón, por lo visto en la página 1516. Y depende de una esfera que tarda por lo menos dos horas en recargarse. En la primera ronda le tocó un adversario que había abandonado. Quien sabe si amañó él ese combate para no dejarlo al azar. Para la segunda ronda le tocaba Vegetto y tuvo toda la noche para preguntarle al dragón como ganarlo. Pero a partir de ahí ya no sabe quien será su adversario hasta el siguiente combate. Él siempre combate antes que el que será su próximo adversario. Así que tiene que esperarse a ver el combate y el ganador y entonces usar su dragón. El tiempo entre rondas se va acortando y cada vez va peor de tiempo.

Con A-18 aún tuvo una noche. Con Buu tuvo la rebelión de Babidi. Con Gasth creo que ha tenido una noche también. Pero ahora necesita usar de nuevo la esfera para saber como derrotar a Goku fácilmente y es muy probable que aún no se haya cargado. Irá justo de tiempo y es probable que no llegue a tiempo de preguntar y deba improvisar.

Y qué pasa si improvisa y muestra su verdadera forma? Bueno, pues hasta ahora lo ha hecho una vez ante todos y otra con Gasth y nadie lo ha reconocido. El único que dijo en público que sabía quien era XXI fue el Viejo Kaio, que a su vez avisó al Kaio gordo, que a su vez se la sudó tres pueblos. Pero eso XXI no lo sabe, él sigue creyendo que si lo viera el Viejo y contara quien es lo podrían descalificar.

Así que veo dos posibilidades:
1. XXI no llega a tiempo de usar el dragón y se ve obligado a usar su verdadera forma y poder con Goku, con todo el estrés y meteduras de pata que eso pueda conllevar. Puede incluso que todo esto lo lleve a perder y a liarla por haber perdido.
2. Vegetto la lía antes de la final y le da el tiempo necesario para saber como parar a Goku. Gana, pide su deseo y se lía por eso.

Goten Kun could easily write popo thinking it was the ship he came from and teach Bulma namekian language to pilot the lost ark similar to like in original only this time it’s Bulma, Krillin, tien, and Yamcha.

YellNinja1600 was saying:

Mr polo did teleport with Bulma to kami spaceship so he had to have known its coordinates or been there before in past. So a trip to Namek seems very likely.


Popo knows where is Kami's ship but he doesn't know it's a space ship. He doesn't know anything about Namek.

Sin Goku como salvavidas o las esferas del dragón los humanos deberían entrenar muchísmo más duro que originalmente, o Mr Popo les habla de la habitación del tiempo o se acabó lo que se daba

Más que nada, porqué también llevamos muchas páginas en las que han estado construyendo el futuro enfado de Vegetto y ahora mismo ya está hasta las pelotas de todo el mundo.

¿Qué pensáis vosotros? Las siguientes páginas van a ser cine.

Zen Kuu was saying: If I have two accounts, why would I lie?
Because I've seen people attempting to troll with alt accounts, pretending to be a different person, when I clearly have proof that shows otherwise.

>My main account is Majin Wasabi, but I don’t remember the password, and it was easier to just create another account with this phone.

I don't really see how it's easier to make a new account, when you can just simply recover your password. Also, you comment with both accounts, so how does that work? Which brings me to the next point:

>Is it not allowed to have two accounts?.....Now, if you use the omnipresence you claim to have...

First, no it's not exactly against the rules, IF you haven't been banned yet, which would be an attempt to avoid your ban, resulting in another ban. But as I mentioned above, I've seen people using alt accounts just to troll here, at least 90% of those people. And guess what I used my "omnipresence" for? Doing exactly what you said. So what grabbed my attention there, was the fact, that you were answering your own comment with your main account, making it seem like you are two different persons. That's a little bit weird don't you think, "Zen Kuu"?

>I’m not trying to be aggressive,

I never said you are.

>However, they take them very personally, including you, since you delete several of my comments (which honestly doesn’t bother me). When I notice, I just think… pff, okay...... Now, I understand that I’ve broken the rules myself at times, and that’s why you delete some of my posts, and that’s fine.

At least you see yourself that the first part of this was contradicting. I don't delete comments, just because I dislike them. It has a reason when something gets deleted, and that is because rules were broken. Otherwise this comment section would be pretty empty lol
Additionally, you only have 5 deleted comments in total on both accounts. That's really nothing compared to other people.

>but if others get offended so easily, I think the criticisms made are very valid.

You still don't seem to understand the difference I pointed out in my last comment. I don't know how to explain it any better to you. It's frankly not a complicated concept to grasp. Criticize all day if you want. But don't be an asshole. And no, I do NOT talk about you in particular here, that's generally speaking.

>I understand that you’re defending Sayazur, but let us comment (within the rules). But when it’s pure criticism, let us speak.

Please... How many times do I have to repeat this? I never said you can't comment or criticize here. On the contrary, I said several times exactly the opposite. And you debunked this statement yourself by saying "within the rules". That's where the core issue lies.

>When he says things like “WE all look at us with disdain and watch us cry,” it’s comical because nobody is saying anything to Salagir, Goten-Kun, or anyone else. Including you! I think you’re doing an excellent job with the colored version of the comic. I am talking about this comic in particular, so who is “we”? Don’t drag everyone else into your work.

Admittedly, that was a bit over the top from Sayazur. But I can understand him. Your other statement is also not entirely true. For my part, I have to put up with being insulted here on a daily basis. And I've also seen people really heavily insulting Salagir too for example. You only see the tip of the iceberg here. There will always be those people. But you are correct, that you shouldn't get too upset about stuff like this. Which is sometimes easier said than done, when you have to read all of those comments everyday.

>Now tell me, Zen Buu, your opinion. Do you think introducing Gogeta SSJ3 and Mega Buu.....

I won't say much more about this, because I already explained plenty of times what I think about this comic here and what could've been better in my opinion. I can't give a full review here anyway (yet), because I already know the whole story for quite some time by now and I obviously won't spoiler anything here. So maybe I'll elaborate further after it's completely finished.

What I can say to end this long comment, is that Bardock Tales Kai, which is also by Sayazur, never got such harsh criticism from the community. Which shows, Sayazur can do good stories. All of this here just really leaves you with the impression that it's rushed and if taken more time, it could've been better for sure.

On that note, have a good day everyone who's read this to the end and stay golden!

Also, I'm very curious about something, so I thought I'd just ask you... Why exactly do you have two accounts, "Majin Wasabi".....? And please don't deny that, I have the proof right here.

Sayazur was saying: PrimeFighter was saying: Damian Qualshy was saying: Oh? Is that the plan now? But the whole point was to put Broly away from Namekians which he was flying towards at the very beginning (no idea why even)

Yeah none of this story makes any sense anymore, frankly. How was it their fault Janemba was created? We JUST saw Demon Kid blow up the purification machine through his negligence. How did Janemba survive even a single blast from this story's version of Broly who's on the level of SSJ3 Gogeta when SSJ Gogeta obliterated Janemba already? Also this Janemba is actually WEAKER than the Fusion Reborn version because all the powerful evil souls that would've contributed to Janemba's formation got put into their bodies again and absorbed by Buu. ALSO why hasn't SSJ3 Gogeta been absorbed yet by Buu? There is no reason why they wouldn't here. They gain nothing from splitting their power and NOT obliterating Broly in one go, especially after already failing their friends,familiy, and Earth to do so once already as a Buu without the absorbed fusion. At the very least, I expected Buu vs Janemba and SSJ3 Gogeta vs Broly, but idk what is happening anymore now...

— The impact between Broly and Gogeta created a shockwave that caused the soul purification machine to overload.

— Gogeta never killed Janemba; the Fusion Reborn movie never happened in DBM.

— Therefore, this Janemba is not the one from the movies.

— If I had made Buu absorb Gogeta, people would have complained because they wouldn't have seen Gogeta. I don't do it, and they still complain. So, I don't care.

— You need to stop thinking that specific souls influence Janemba's strength. He's not strong because he has the souls of certain characters but simply because he's purely evil. Frieza's soul without his body is no stronger than the soul of the farmer killed by Raditz.

I don't even know if I'm doing this right, but I don't care. Dude, you're doing great, you're awesome. This is fun. Ignore them for being toxic.


This part of my message, I'm making for everyone I've seen over the years on this site.

The DBM commenters. The people I've seen, some for many years.. Some of you are really cool. This part isn't about you.

It's about everyone who has BITCHED, whined, and mocked. Some of you are the most entitled fucking cry babies. Some you act like you are being forced to fucking read this. Some of you are the most toxic god damn people I've ever seen. The people who screamed about Bojack chapters. The people who have disrespected guest artist. The people who have been toxic too the creator, each other. The people who never stopped crying the Bra was 'the worst thing ever'.

This part is too all of you. Yall suck. Yall suck so fucking hard too the point that I've finally cracked. An this will be the second a message I'll make on this site. You actual cry babies don't even have to comment or read this, or any of the things SOME of you have cried about for years.

This isn't saying 'all criticism' is bad. But some of yall have just been shit talking for years an pretending it'criticism.

Leave this dude alone, hell leave everyone alone. Yall know who you are. Fuck off, do some growing up.

Fuckin Love multiverse, and will keep reading from week to week. Just sick of years of toxic people. This can be removed, I don't mind. Just needed to get this off my chest cause I hate seeing how people have treated the wonderful team and community that I've watched like a creepy little freak

Edit:Sorry for blowing up and rambling, but the way I've seen people treat the creator of this snapped something in me. An years of watching people be so fucking mean for no reason spilled out.

PS. Zenbuu, the one with the highlighted comments, you're cool. That's all.

LongTime55 was saying:
Just a little theory what if this fight is a draw? No one can see XXI or Gast, or sense them. 30 seconds go by, and click-aboom. No contest, meaning Goku wins..

If I had made Buu absorb Gogeta, people would have complained because they wouldn't have seen Gogeta. I don't do it, and they still complain. So, I don't care.

Mr. McCoy was saying: I'm gonna make a guess. It's Garlic Jr. after spending years in the Dead Zone.
MVoigt was saying: Watch XXI be Garlic Jr.
Interesting that you guys posted basically the same comment, at the same time. ^^

But XXI should be millions of years old, since Old Kai knows him. So no Garlic Jr. since he never was born.

Primera vez que vemos la cabeza y el torso de XXI sin el humo de por medio..