God, I love you.

The problem here is that we've only ever seen one example: Vegeta.

Yes, yes, I know, Dabura and all of the minions were also under Babidi's control. However, the strongest of Babidi's victims was Majin Vegeta, and he was shown visibly struggling for a moment to break Babidi's influence, as if he was actively trying his hardest to not obey Babidi. I think that Babidi's magic doesn't make them lose their control over their body or lose their free will, but puts a little spark in the back of their mind (like a computer chip) that overrides the brain's basic thought and functions.

Furthermore, Vegeta WANTED the control, so this could be COMPLETELY different. Dabura showed complete obedience and no explanation was given, so who fuckin knows?

just my thoughts.
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Once again, Zen Buu proves why he is probably the best character in this entire manga. Him and Cell, to be honest.

I must say it's fun to see Videl having Viet-Nappa flashbacks and having people make fun of Cooler some more (even though Cooler is freaking RAD and I wish he would be brought back to the actual series the way they did for Broly, whose DBS version has a much better character dynamic than DBZ Broly) and all that good jazz.

I'm glad that some people, along with myself, still appreciate the story of this manga (such as @Michelrpg) and understand that it's not always about Vegetto shredding people or Son Bra being a shitty character (a sentiment I disagree with) or whatever kind of battle-centric or "fan-pleasing" content there is. The best anime and manga have their ups and downs, and sometimes shit happens that we don't like. I get that. I have a few grievances, too, I just really don't care, and would much rather enjoy the story than be a little piss baby.

My biggest questions here are this:

— What's going on with Kakarot? He's immortal, so he must have experienced everything right? They showed him a few pages back but we didn't see anything after that.

— (As much as I usually don't care) What's XXI been up to? He's still in his little pocket dimension thingamabob, right?

— Will the tournament continue? It makes sense that it would but ya never know...

— Will Babidi's universe be disqualified? This one is my biggest question. Considering that Babidi kinda fucked everything over, it's quite possible.
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Regardless, I'm excited to see where the manga goes from here. 1 Replie(s)

God, I love Zen Buu.

Also why y'all simpin' over that female Varga? Kinda sus ngl

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Okay now for my legitimate comment, I will start by saying STOP WHINING!!!!!! This is the kind of ending that Toriyama himself would write, and as a matter of fact, HE DID. SEVERAL TIMES.

Anywho (warning: unpopular opinion), I think Salagir has done a great job on this story. I like everything you've done thus far (besides some of the stuff with Bra, but hey, I think we can all agree that Bra's screentime wasn't the best) and I can't wait for the ending. I'm sad that this manga is nearly over, but I'm excited to see how it all ends.

For people reading this comment, if you disagree, feel free to let me know. If you're going to be a little piss baby about it, please don't. I'd love to have a civilized conversation and share opinions and such, but I don't want to talk to people who say, and I quote:
"Don't insinuate i'm not 'reasonable', mr. 'static'. For I wanted her dead and out of the story. So speak for yourself next time, please. Thank you."

You know who you are.

However, I'd love to make jokes about the story and have reasonable, lighthearted conversations about it. I don't need bullshit, 'cuz guess what? Nobody asked.

Anyways, I look forward to talking to you guys!

Yeah, ok, ok, people will be mad about this chapter all they want, but this is some real Toei writing. 1 Replie(s)

top right panel for bra you mean

I enjoyed your Ted Talk.

I don't really think about XXI very much, to be honest, not because I forgot he existed, I just don't like him that much.
We have no backstory on him, no explanation to anything, like come on. He's cryptic and I don't really have enough on him to enjoy him.

Onto Vegetto... the possibilities of his powers SCARE me. I mean that. We saw what Bra could do with power that was (while very high) much lower than Vegetto's. When he gets back to the arena, shit's getting real.

Zen Buu for the fucking WIN.

anyways can't wait for the--

... yea no shit Bra, you killed everyone, how's it feel? How's it feel to be five minutes away from having your dad kill you? (just a prediction)

it's been a good run, boys.

Finally, it's coming to a close. This story that I've invested myself in for years now.

Damn, I'm honestly a little sad. I've enjoyed this story so much, from Vegito's shitty parenting, to Bra's bitchiness, to Goku and Vegeta and the gang being... well, themselves.

But it wasn't just the characters that made this story interesting, it was how everything was done, how it was written, how the story played out. I realize, even though we all have different opinions, it seems like it all starts to boil down to one idea: Goddamn, it's been a wild ride.

So for the first time, I suppose I'll share my thoughts on this story, and hell, I'll even encourage debate.

First thing, I genuinely enjoyed watching the development of U16. I know that's an unpopular opinion, but it's my opinion. And while I agree that Vegito's a bit of a dick, and Bra (we won't get into that one) is Bra, I've enjoyed this universe's story. Not because of these characters, no, but because it is by far one of the most interesting fan timelines ever made. Perma-fused Vegito? Not so creative, but the heiress to Vegito? Interesting. This universe gives us one of the strongest beings in Dragon Ball history and gives them a child who one day could grow stronger. Not only that, but this child has a much different mindset than Vegito. Seeing the development of Vegito's parenting, him being a fighter and having little idea how to properly parent a child (not only due to his parts, Goku and Vegeta, but also due to the brand new personality that was sprung from their minds to form Vegito's mind), and watching how his children are affected by that. As bad as Son Bra is, be honest, she had a really shitty childhood.

Moving on, I think some people may agree that the first bit of the story was a little bland. Sure, what-ifs are interesting, but to be honest, the fun part is that they REMAIN what-ifs, and I didn't really enjoy seeing the whole tournament part of the story. Some bits were interesting, however, like Vegito vs. Zen Buu (who I'll get to later), where it was a fight that had somewhat already happened, but given such an interesting twist.

Now we get to some of the specific parts of the story I enjoyed, and while they only lasted a minute, they were interesting.

1. Cell vs. Dabura; Where Cell removed his head to preserve enough of his body to completely screw over Dabura's spit thing. A very smart thing to do, and showed very well how Cell is probably the most expert tactician in the entire series.

2. Boujack vs. Pan; This was a very interesting battle and it really gave Gohan an emotional struggle. Gohan had once fought Boujack and remembered just how much of a nightmare he was. While Gohan had defeated the pirate, his child now had to face the same peril he once did. It led to the loss of his only child. This created a serious mental obstacle, not only for Gohan, but for U18 Pan as well. I won't really explain that because the last chapter explained that well.

3. Cold-Ginyu vs. Son Bra; Yeah. I liked this fight. It gave an aweing look at the possible potential of Frieza's race that we never really got to see. Cold, being the most masterful of their kind, obviously was able to exploit such power that no one had ever imagined. This was an interesting battle because Bra was constrained by both weights, and her word to not transform, and it really showed off the battle strategy she learned from Vegito.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's talk about Zen Buu.
I hope I'm not the only one who thinks he is a masterpiece of a character, and it is by far my favorite concept in the story. It makes your head spin. What if Buu won? What if he absorbed everyone? It's something that someone had definitely wondered before. I think he's an interesting character and it kind of turns him into a sort of anti-hero, not really villainous, but not a "good guy."

Anyways, I'll end with that, this comment took ten minutes to type. Hope you guys agree with some of my opinions, and I'd love to discuss. 1 Replie(s)

True, but Gohan has Ki +3 and ATK & DEF +158%; guards all attacks; plus an additional ATK +58% for the rest of the battle when guard is activated; attacks effective against all types when facing only 1 enemy, whose HP is 58% or more, or when there is a "Majin Buu Saga" category enemy.

If you ask me, Gohan could put up a good fight. 1 Replie(s)

I love the art style here, and I love that it's from Pan's perspective. Very well done so far.

I agree, blue is trash, god all the way 1 Replie(s)

Woah, finally, a page that isn't people yelling about Son Bra.

Reeeaaaally don't care for anyone who takes sides here. Let fiction be fiction, if you're arguing about it, I'd argue that you're wasting your life.

Thank you, and goodnight. 1 Replie(s)

I don't think anyone said they were okay with it, per se, but I do believe that Salagir cleared up the confusion. But also, Bra's body couldn't handle the power inside of it, and her mind suffered for that. She had a Broly (DBS) sort of scenario there, where destruction just kinda happens, and it's her fault, but she doesn't mean for the destruction to happen. She doesn't know why, she doesn't remember. Think on that for a minute.

I am in no way clearing Bra for her actions, but for a bit, she wasn't really in control. I think that is shown here. She's only a kid, and she's way more powerful than anyone else her age has ever been.

NOW BEFORE PEOPLE GET ON MY CASE, yeah. She's a little bit fucked up here. She didn't apologize for nuking a solar system. But as a child with an asshole dad (be honest, he has some pretty bad parenting skills), whose father has raised her to learn to use her strength, and with her spending her ENTIRE LIFE training to surpass her siblings, yeah. I think anyone at that age would think "Hey, I finally did the thing!" before they thought "Oh shit, I killed my brother? I blew up several planets, and a SUN?! Holy crap I'm so sorry!" It is shown on this last panel that she does feel remorse, and a lot of times, when people are upset, they're gonna try to shift the blame. It's not to say she gave no fucks, but she definitely didn't prioritize the events that had happened, because again. She. Is. A Child.
And guess what? She didn't know she could do that. But do you think she'd apologize after hearing that she surpassed someone she's worked her whole life to surpass? No.

Because... let's be real...
She probably wasn't raised that way.

I 100% agree with this comment and I thank you for saying this to everyone.

Ok, I admit, I feel for Bra a little bit here. I think I'd be traumatized by this, too. She's like 9 years old and her dad said he planned to kill her, and then stranded her in the middle of space. It's a dick move.

Yeah, he can, but I don't think he felt a need to before Bra. He's the strongest being he knows of, and as long as he tries to keep Bra under control, it should stay that way. He's a genius tactician and as you said, an expert limit breaker, but I think unless they expand on Beerus and Whis's cameo, he won't be getting too much stronger.

I, for one, would rather just sit and enjoy the story because it's cool. I'm not trying to be a movie critic (I can be, but I don't feel like critiquing a fan-made Dragon Ball comic that is the best of them by far, as far as I'm concerned.)

I agree here, and I think this is a really good thing and an excellent job on the writers' parts. Fusions are meant to have their own personas and personalities, so they did a great job at that in this manga for sure.

I'm loving this dark side of Vegito that shows up here for a moment. Bra's shock when he outright says he's gonna kill her before she surpasses him, all fucking Kronos style (Greek mythology nerds know what's up)... it hits different.