Man, that was a really stupid decision. I don't want to pile on without like, seeing how this plays out, but...right now? Yeah, not a fan of this writing at all. Vegito is like, arrogant, but I don't think he should be so blisteringly stupid when he's already been flummoxed and affected by his magic before...



Did some googling just to double-check, because while I wasn't unfamiliar with the concept, I wasn't sure what part of DBM explained it specifically.

Turns out, it's mostly relegated to the novelisations/text-fanfics, where it's more properly elaborated on (Salagir also explains it in the comments section of page 278). The comic has given nods to it (Vegito needing lots of senzu, chowing down on them, him saying Namekian healing doesn't work for him anymore after the Broly fight, etc), but yes, it's not really explained proper. It is very much a hunger thing, on top of healing, though.

Unlike some parts of the novelisation, I do think this was clearly intended throughout the comic, just based on those little glimpses we get, but whether that's satisfying for you is, well, up to you.

Hope it's a fake out and it's not Broly, but Buu (and his absorbees) instead.

I'm guessing XXI can't pull the same trick twice, which is why he's so upset here; his "companion" is probably similar to a wish-granting dragon of some sort, presumably with some limitations and differences given he wants the actual Dragon Balls. He's only got so many cards he can play. Maybe killing Gast and absorbing more of his power was key to the next step of his plan?

I mean, it might be a lie, but it wouldn't be impossible - a lucky Kienzan could do the trick.

Krillin is still alive? Nice. Means it's not all doom and gloom, at least. Wonder how the Androids' emergence even went down in this timeline.

Age 772...? Androids must have already appeared...which is a rather sobering thought. Z-Fighters might be dead already. Hope I'm wrong though.

That's not as rad, though.

...I still think Radkarot is a better name. 1 Risposta/e

I hereby dub thee: Radkarot.

...I kinda love the idea of Roshi challenging 17 to a motorbike race. Gotta admire the balls on the guy too.

Bro's got the Rinnegan haha 1 Risposta/e

Where's Baby Gamera when you need him?

I think this is the first time we've seen Launch wowed by the gang's superhuman feats - usually she's pretty air headed. Not that I mind, I think it's funny either way, and the expressions are golden.

I can’t tell if this is ironic or not, which is kind of telling, lol

It’s not a new form though, it’s still just “Mystic” - just unlocked through hard work and years of training, rather than a magic dancing old man. I don’t think it should get a new name along those lines, but maybe that’s just me. 1 Risposta/e

These interactions are fantastic; I honestly wish U18 was one of the earlier universes, just so we got more time to meet these guys at the beginning. Still, seeing this now is great.

Nice cameos. All Might and Might Guy being bros is cool.

This might be my favourite special of the lot; the interactions are really great to see.

Shame about Bulma though. It's really sad to think that she probably never saw her son again. 1 Risposta/e

I'm really loving Trunks' thoughts on all these universes.

The year-limit, at least in the original manga, was only ever said to apply to large groups of people. Individuals don't fall under this banner, as far as we know - there are a bunch of instances people plan to bring someone back after a year has passed (Goku in the Saiyan Saga, Krillin in the King Piccolo saga, I thiiiiiiiink some of the dead Z-Fighters in the Namek Saga), though it didn't end up happening for one reason or another. While not canon to DBM, they do bring back Frieza after many years - it's commonly cited as a plot hole, but...it's not really, I don't think. 2 Risposta/e

I mean, do remember that in the Buu Saga, all the Saiyans agreed not to go Super Saiyan for the tournament, and were planning on winning anyway. The situation's not 1:1, obviously - in that they never got to actually fight their matches at all, and part of it was for secrecy reasons - but...by itself? "Fighting with a handicap" doesn't mean they "should" lose, narratively. Or at least, I don't think so. It's circumstantial at least.

If we're being broader with that statement, Piccolo kept his weighted clothing on all throughout the 23rd, until his fight with Goku. At the 22nd, Goku didn't go into "battle mode" until the fight with Tien, remaining in "tournament mode" before that! But "Krillin beats both Goku and Piccolo at the 22nd and 23rd tournaments respectively" would've been a poor choice, I think.

Besides...what would King Cold offer in the semi-finals? He's outclassed utterly and completely - it'd just be a stomp fight without pulling something contrived (or the body change again, but, I think that's been played out enough already). Stomp fights can be entertaining, under the right circumstances, but given we're nearly at the semi-finals and all...I don't think that's a good idea. Except for XXI I guess, because he's obviously a big mystery. Bra at least has a significant power advantage here (Gast trading blows with SSJ3 Vegeta; Bra being at or above that as a SSJ1, and with another transformation in store), alongside utility and additional power through her ki constructs; Gast has his seriously overpowered magic and Namekian regeneration on his side, but there's at least the potential for some competition here.

I'm not going to pretend Bra is some masterstroke of writing or my favourite character ever, but I don't think "losing to Cold" would've been very good either. She showed us what she could do and that she wasn't reliant on brute force alone. That's something new. It sets up interesting possibilities in future fights. It was a large part of the choreography during the Majin Bra fight already.

The only thing losing would've accomplished is "humbling" Bra, but...she's already past that stage as is, even if the execution could've been better imo. But complaining about Cold's loss now seems...I dunno, off to me.

Enjoying Uub's crash course on magic. Hope he does something cool with it.

Nah, I want it to be revealed that Buu absorbed Dumbledore and is now headmaster :P

Uub 'bout to become the newest Hogwarts student.

Page 418.

Is that She-Ra in the back?

Maybe he left some inside the ball :P

Ah, thanks.

Smoke was an awesome detail; taking great advantage of the medium.

Also uh...how do you pronounce XXI? "Twenty one", "ex ex eye", "kzy"? 1 Risposta/e

"Let's get Chi Chi"
"adulting = microwave"
"TEETH?"

Might be the funniest page in DBM, humour is on point here. At least to me, maybe I'm just silly. Curious as to a saiyan's cooking ability though - maybe Goku's tremendous appetite will translate into being an excellent chef!

Doubt it, but nice to imagine. Just remembered Goku says their homecooked meals sucked in the Hyperbolic Timechamber too (assuming that wasn't a dub only line).

Does anyone present at the tournament remember the Goku vs Jackie-Chun fight? Vegito and Buu, I guess. Maybe the Androids have data on it.

Ah, memories.

This fight was cool, but...it felt like it was missing something for a Master vs Student battle. More dialogue, something unique, I dunno.

Well, it’s not done yet, so maybe I’m being too harsh. Digging the Goku vs Jackie-Chun parallel though.

Probably not. Not entirely sure what the reason would be, but just from a narrative POV that seems disgustingly overpowered, in a way I don't think Buu is. Or at least, probably not >SSJ3 Vegito in terms of raw power.

Uub doing his best Broly-face. Those white-eyes man.



Hard to tell with the one page, but he certainly seems to hold more of an advantage than Super Buu + Vegeta did against SSJ3 Goku, twenty years prior in Universe 4. Uub might not beat Super Buu in an actual fight (stamina issues vs endless regeneration, magic, absorption), but in raw power...I'd say he's well past him.

I think Goku himself should have surpassed Super Buu at this stage anyway. It's implied he's stronger than Adult Gotenks (who in turn is stronger than Kid Gotenks), since it's only after Buu's fusion boost that he says Gotenks was beyond him.

That's suicide.
Well, I guess what Uub's doing might also be counted as that. So your hypothetical is suicide^2.

Also that aura is gorgeous. Top-tier art.


Bulma should make Saiyan-stretchy clothes a global standard. She'd make a fortune (well, not that she needs it). 1 Risposta/e

Look at those muscles, damn. Can't tell if Vegeta is surprised/impressed or disappointed.

I mean, using higher Kaioken levels than your previous maximum is something that’s happened against both Vegeta and Frieza. This is just that - a desperate gambit, and it’s not some new ability. It’s just using an old one and pushing it further. 1 Risposta/e

Oh! I just realised, seeing a technique once and perfectly copying it, even really difficult ones, is something Buu could do. Makes sense Uub can too. Probably already been mentioned last page, so I’m a bit late on that, but whatever.

Anyway, Uub looks to be going even further beyond. How much stronger though? Seems like an all-or-nothing gambit, so if it’s worth it (which we’ll find out) it’s gotta be a significant jump in power. Turning up the power output is gonna zap through his time in an instant.



Well, a few seconds is a long time when you’re fighting at such speeds. Not that Dragon Ball is terribly consistent in that matter, BUT Uub should run out rather quickly regardless.

It’s too late to worry about stamina now, he’s clearly got a lot less. If this doesn’t cinch the win, he might be done for, unless he’s got something else up his sleeve.

Ki constructs? Uub using the patented ‘steal yo technique’ technique that Goku’s famous for.

ahem
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Jokes aside, yeah, it’s just the original manga that’s 100% canon. Anything else is removed or adapted, like the movies (sometimes loosely). 2 Risposta/e

Oh Uub, you’re being a bit cheeky now. Can’t say it wasn’t effective though, really scared the pants off Goku, and it bought him some time. Now he’s gotta make the most of it.

Uub should use his magic to make a buffet, causing Goku to lose concentration and drop out of the SSJ3 form as he dives for the food, giving Uub an easy opening.

First blood goes to Uub, and damn, those hits feel impactful. Uub must have something up his sleeve though, fight’s not going to end just yet.

Didn’t notice at first, but Piccolo’s severed hand is still clutching Cell’s neck.

I really want to see new techniques used. It’s a crime that the Dragon Fist wasn’t in the original manga and isn’t technically canon. Goku being the martial artist guy should have a ton of them. I was all giddy when we saw that aura-cage thingy in the Broly movie.

Technically you don’t know where Max Kaioken Uub is at. He wiped Fat Buu out in one attack - you could attribute that to the nature of charged attacks, but that still doesn’t really put a cap on where Uub stands.

The nature of power scaling is ultimately subjective; trying to say ‘it’s garbage’ or it’s ‘[nonsensical] fan-service’ over very debatable and not 100% clear/established power relationships doesn’t sit right with me. Just because it contradicts how you perceive how strong they should be compared to one another doesn’t mean they’re throwing continuity and scale to the wind. 1 Risposta/e

Really like this page. Shows Vegeta’s respect for Goku, even acknowledging him by his Earth-name.

Pretty sure it means the maximum Kaioken that Uub can use. If you go back to the Uub v Buu fight, Piccolo says something like ‘Uub shouldn’t use his max Kaioken so early’, and Goku says something like ‘but...that’s not his max Kaioken!’

Basically it’s a way of circumventing giving ‘hard’ numbers, because goodness knows people would say ‘wait! That’s not right, Uub = x level and x is a times b!’.

I think it’s a good idea, personally.

Goku does seem to have an edge here, given Uub’s face.

Dunno if it's been mentioned by someone else, or if this is even the first time we're seeing it, but I do like how the onamatopoeia has cracks in it. Really makes the hit feel more impactful. It's a nice detail.

Judging by their faces, they’re on the same playing field in terms of raw power. It’s not a massive difference, and in that aspect, Uub’s at an inherent disadvantage in close quarters due to Kaioken’s nature, which, as Piccolo mentions is more debilitating than even SSJ3 (there’s a reason Uub only pulled it out for one attack against Buu).

Of course, there’s more to combat than just punchity punching, and Uub may have some tricks up his sleeve…or a way to minimise strain.

Jumping straight to SSJ3? Bit surprised, but pleasantly so. Wonder how Uub’s magic will be used here, and if Goku has any new techniques...

I've not been keeping up with the novel, but presumably that's a conscious act, whereas Buu's is more reactive and automatic, to an extent. So if Uub was knocked out, or couldn't muster the focus to heal himself, he's done. But Buu would recover more easily.

This gun be goood.

All very exciting matches. Let's go.

Really love the interactions between the Gohans and Cell.

Mini cells are adorable and I love them.

...I ship it.

Huh, so he actually did get sucked in. Broly survives even this? Damn.

Hope Buu will be okay, despite the odds.

Uub’s dead then? Aw man, that sucks (even though we know the outcome anyway).

Anywho, cool to see Buu do the Black Hole thing. Now try and blast him and GTFO. Gotenks’ volleyball-esque technique, maybe?

Well, Uub is a madman. Good on 'im.

Buu’s face in the last panel is oddly hilarious.

Would that really be a good idea? When Buu absorbs someone, he takes on their personality traits. Given the Legendary Super Saiyan’s madness, it’s possible you’d end up with something even worse.
Though maybe that’s not how it works, maybe the other personalities inside Buu could quell that.
I mean, Zen Buu tried to (well, maybe, Vegito questions if he was really after him), though he has many more people within him. So he may have higher odds of not going batshit crazy.
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Nice to see Buu’s unique physiology being used to his advantage.

I thought Buu would probably know that even being stronger than him wouldn’t help, but in retrospect they’ve never actually had a power advantage against him, have they?

Well aside from SSJ3 Goku in the combined beam blast, maybe. Though with how brief it was, probably not the best for drawing conclusions from an in-universe perspective. They wouldn’t know if it hurt him even if it did.

So their new discovery makes some sense.

Looks like it did something. Nice.

Well, can’t say Broly isn’t intimidating

Vegeta's swearing is hilarious

Candy beam boys.

'We need a plan of attack'
'I have a plan: attack'
Really though, the other plans have served as temporary methods at least, working for several years. Using brute force has never worked, unless you're Vegito I guess. But it's not that big a deal, I imagine that despite what Vegeta says, he'll go along with whatever plan they manage to concoct.

Suck it, Broly. Even though you win, they’ll put up a damn good fight.

The Legendary Super Saiyan is no match for the Wolf Fang Fist.

Damn, shit just keeps on coming and they’re not getting a break. Hope the others join in for a last stand - Piccolo, 18, Buu. That candy beam is probably their best shot, aside from fusion, even though we know the outcome. I bet he’s pissed that his dog and friend were killed (well, unless Hercule somehow survived this).

I take it more as him gradually growing more panicked as he can't find any of them.

Damn. The shockwave was powerful enough to kill Goten and Krillin, when point of impact was thousands of kilometers away?
Knew they were outclassed, but still, damn.
RIP (assuming they are dead).

Dayum. Broly is stronk.


He and Popo trained Goku for Piccolo Jr., and trained the Z-Fighters for the Saiyans.

I really want them to fuck up Broly, even though I know it can't happen.

Broly is really overpowered; I know it's necessary to an extent for his fight with Vegito, but imo his extreme strength should've been solely the result of passively growing in power for many years, rather than spontaneuously multiplying in strength mid-combat on top of the aforementioned ability. Could've done without the invulnerability too.

I dunno, personal opinion but whatever. Years too late anyway.

I mean, she's not exactly of normal strength. She probably doesn't keep up with training, but way back when she was making some superhuman leaps and stuff. Don't think she'd handle 10x gravity easily, and depending on how far her ability has gone down, maybe not at all...but she was a lot stronger than your average joe.

Shit, Broly really isn't fucking around. Good to see Krillin, sad circumstances though.

FYI, GT isn't canon to DBM, though to answer your question this chapter takes place in Age 786 (check the first page of the chapter). Which is 12 years after Buu, and 2 years after meeting Uub.

Takes a while to learn the fusion dance, and it's never been Goku's first move. They might think they can stop it without fusing anyhow. 3 Risposta/e

I'll miss Buu.

Buu's so fun to watch.

Shits bouta go down.

Page is gorgeous, all I'm gonna say.

Lmao, Goten you dumbass. Love ya buddy but, c'mon - I hit women all the time. 1 Risposta/e

That shot where she's flying, the one with the rings of a planet? That's cool.

Honestly, I really, really like Goten in this comic. He gives people shit and fights when he's outmatched. I guess you could say that about a lot of guys, but whatever. Hope he kicks ass.