Damian Qualshy was saying: THZ was saying: Question how powerful is the False Super Saiyans?
Community usually puts it at either x25 (or maybe x30?) if I remember correctly. You know, half the multiplier of actual Super Saiyan.
I always thought of it as a x40 multiplier but it can realistically go anywhere from more than 20 to less than 50 or even equal.

Obito94 was saying: here's some power scaling sauce of where i think uub fits into things

If we use Cell from the "Vegeta vs Cell" fight for scaling, I want to say SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta are somewhere above Ultimate Gohan, since Vegeta was able to one shot a zenkai boosted Cell while in SSJ3. I know "trickery" was involved but that read to me like vegeta just needed to keep cell distracted so he could transform since maybe he cant do SSJ3 as fast as he can ssj2? and that SSJ3 vegeta is stronger than cell but his transformation can only be used very briefly. it wasn't some "stable form" Vegeta could use like SSJ2.
https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1947.html

we also know Cell is like on par with Gohan or maybe even a little above as implied by this
https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1927.html




Now if we assume SSJ3 Vegeta = SSJ3 Goku and Gohan = Cell


that means SSJ3 goku/vegeta are at bare minimum spitting distance of Gohan, likely slightly above him in power when in their SSJ3. Makes sense to me since Gohan is probably about where he was when he fought super buu and goku and vegeta train like crazy and probably caught up to him after all this time.

now if Goku = Vegeta in strength that means SSJ3 Goku can probably beat Cell.

and we see UUb basically curb stomp ssj3 goku when in his "kaioken transcended" form for a brief moment
https://w...907.html#h_read


In the beginning of the comic, Ultimate Gohan is > SSJ Bra. Like they're in the same tier of power. Implied by this exchange
https://w...139.html#h_read

so this gives us

SSJ3 Vegeta = SSJ3 Goku
Uub(transcended) > SSJ3 goku
Cell = Gohan
Gohan > SSJ1 Bra

keep in mind these people should be relatively close to each other in power but i feel like it gives us

UUb Transcended>SSJ3 Goku>Gohan>SSJ1 Bra
I’d still place SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ3 Goku below Ultimate Gohan. Sure, Vegeta one-shotted Cell in his SSJ3 form, but Cell could also one-shot SSJ3 Vegeta if he caught him off guard with a full-power strike. Ranking them above Cell just for that one moment feels a bit unfair.

For me, Gohan and Cell belong above SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Vegeta because while the SSJ3 forms might match or even slightly surpass them in the first few seconds, the stamina drain makes them weaker within a minute or so. That’s exactly what happened with Uub’s transcendent form against Goku — it wrecked his body, drained all his energy, and basically destroyed him.

At the end of the Buu Saga, SSJ3 Goku was clearly way below Ultimate Gohan. But after years of very intense training, I’d place them closer — maybe even starting at a similar level. Still, the stamina drain always makes me give the edge to Ultimate Gohan over any SSJ3 Goku or Vegeta in a serious fight. SSJ3 simply burns out too fast.

That said, once we bring SSJ0 into the picture, I think both Goku and Vegeta surpass Gohan. Not only in raw power, but also because of their greater combat experience and variety of techniques. In my opinion, that’s enough to give them the win over him.

Now, with his healing ability, Uub might already be above all of them. Add in his magic, the control he’s gained over it, and especially the surprise factor (his new techniques are unknown by everyone) — like redirecting magic beams mid-fight, throwing actual blows enhanced by magic or whatever he’s about to do — and I’d say he’s easily in the top 5. Honestly, I’d place him above SSJ3 Gotenks (to naive), maybe just under SSJ2 Bra. But with his magic hacks, I wouldn’t be shocked if he managed to beat her too.

Of course, if Bra as SSJ2 goes in fully prepared, knowing every one of Uub’s new tricks, then I put him below her without hesitation.

Do you think he meant she outmatches their new form as well?

So Goku against XXI is the final? And how the heck is Goku going to defeat this thing that defeated Vegito, Gast and Zen Buu?

I wonder why movie 13 didn't happen in universe 20?
https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-658.html