> Toriyama has the right to give a random explanation "bad air" and not bother more than that with it. It's not THAT serious. You don't need to examine the rules like it's science or something. "Bad air" is just fine.

Eh, I never really liked that explanation. I and I was happier that Super gave it an explanation but... others didn't like that retcon. And I kind of understand. It's a retcon. It trivializes potara fusion to Vegeta being a goober.

That said, a little more cohesion with the main story and fewer detours at this point would be nice. I'm not saying DBM is bad or catering to the critics, but if we did just follow several pages of Kakaditz going on a rampage before that IKL dude arrived, I hope it serves the greater story.

— Animeality, DBM reader since Chapter 13

So, Vegetto is going to wake up with... half of his body torn off. 1 Resposta/es

Yooooo.

Yamcha finally said the thing!

Wow. I think Goku might have just killed Vegeta guys.

How do we think Vegito's going to feel about this? And what exactly happened here, Goku and Vegeta unlocked their potential the way Elder Kai did for Gohan?

Or maybe its just "Super Saiyan without transforming so all of the power at once?"

What are we gonna call this? Its stronger than Super Saiyan. 1 Resposta/es

I was with you right until you said this.

Yeah Salagir... you should probably hire this artist for the main comic.

The person already doing it is great, but if they ever need a day off keep this person's number.

I wonder why we're getting all of this interaction and commentary between the universes. I guess this is leading up to Gero having something to do with XXI (Twenty One), or some reveal related to him.



I think he's being arrogant.

"You're the greatest threat the Earth ever faced (after me of course because I'm the top dog)." 1 Resposta/es

The identity of XXI <<<<<<<< The identity of Trunks' mystery girlfriend!

Go, DBM comment section, be on your way!

Now for that Trunks shower scene you've all been waiting for.

I don't know if that makes it better though lol. His "charm" is everything that we dislike about Bra - he's overpowered, he's cocky, he's an invention of the author (Zen Buu is not canon Buu, strength-wise or personality-wise), he throws tantrums, he tries to get everyone on his side when he clearly doesn't deserve it, and the story had to come up with something fantastical just to keep him from killing all of the other characters.

But its okay because Buu was "always" like that? I respectfully disagree. If not for giving Zen Buu some humanizing characteristics - genuinely appreciating what the Grand Kai did for him - I'd find that the opposite of charming.




It's not though? Its a pretty sincere attempt at showing that the character has developed by forfeiting a fight for someone else's sake. Mercy and emotional support between family and friends have been in DB since the early days.

Nobody's glorified Bra. The audience is disappointed. Pan's facial expression isn't clear, but she hasn't turned into a cheerleader. Gohan isn't someone who holds grudges nor is he an aggressive person to begin with and Bra is a family member. He's glad to see her doing something she probably wouldn't have done prior. I don't think its cheerleading, it's forgiveness.

I don't think its bad that her behavior is being forgiven without her "losing" the fight. She gave up. That's the point.

I think that's a lot more interesting than Bra just losing a fight. That wouldn't be character development unless she actually threw the fight and took the beating as some kind of penance. Then we'd be questioning her mental state if she were trying to "make amends" by getting pulverized just to pretend she wasn't able to win.

Actively thinking (instead of going ballistic as she was wont to do) and coming to the conclusion that she wouldn't be able to achieve her goals (helping Universe 19) is a positive development from her. 1 Resposta/es

I really think people should look at Bra in a different light now and stop thinking she's this poisonous Mary Sue character. Try to see this as "a character given Heel-like traits to make you dislike them but developed to see the error of their ways so that we can see them as a Face later."

I can forgive a character who does horrible things so long as others acknowledge she's done horrible things.
I think "bad writing" is a really weak complaint that doesn't actually explain the issues, and its just a way to drop hatred without being constructive. I see what Salagir was trying to do with Bra. It could have been better-written, but I honestly don't see this incessant dislike for the character others seem to have. I'm even thinking its a bit of a sexism issue with her being a bratty teenager who murders her own family vs Vegeta the hardened roguish badass who threatened to murder his family just so he could have a good fight.

Like, both things are forgivable in "anime terms." Obviously in real life someone like Bra or Vegeta would be pretty toxic. But at least in the heightened, cartoon reality of Dragonball its easier to accept them as sympathetic people. If you can forgive or even like Vegeta's character, you can like Bra's character. It's okay. It's also okay to not like her character. Just don't comment every week about how utterly awful and disappointed you are that she didn't get mutilated or assaulted.

I personally didn't care for Zen Buu that much until they expounded on his relationship with the Grand Kai. Prior to that he was a massively overpowered character LITERALLY throwing tantrums when he didn't get his way, and even his "defeats" were just him playing possum. He legit got stopped by Deus Ex Machina and was so powerful that even Vegito, canonically the most powerful character here, couldn't stop him. But nobody had a problem with that because he was funny and badass. Still, I'm not going to comment next week "thank god Buu is gone" or go "aw man Salagir's Majin Stu is back" if he does reenter the plot. I can see the narrative benefit of his teaching Uub and him and Grand Kai respecting each other without being aggravated that he's so powerful and cocky.

This probably won't stop or change anyone's mind, but I do at least appreciate seeing Bra's character come full circle from arrogant strong gal to thinking strong gal. 2 Resposta/es

Welcome to Japanese manga.



I think this is pretty cool. I like that we're getting a battle in the mind. Reminds me of that fight from Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows.

First, haven't commented in a while. Salagir and artists associated, I still lurk and enjoy this comic, especially when the tournament is happening and interactions like Bardock and Piccolo happen. Not a big fan of the Vargas but they add a little now and then. Creative fights like these are the highlight.

Second, I like the Sherlock Holmes-esque mental battle happening here. Took me a second to adjust when Gast finished his first prediction of how the fight would go. I didn't see this coming.

Third, interesting how the voluptuousness of Bra's figure got toned down since the fight with King Cold. She's looking swole. Moreso than Vegito I think.

Wow. I really like this art style.

I just realized this is sort of the "brother of Goku vs brother of Kami."

Wow.

I forgot how scathing and toxic these forums could be. 1 Resposta/es

Haven't logged in here in awhile. Hey there DBM readers.

Just... had to post again because this moment has been "years" coming. God. I was in high school when this started. I wrote small essays on what XXI was.

This is a weird moment of satisfied curiosity.

I like Bra, and I like this story arc. FInally things were starting to take shape.

But this... doesn't stick the landing. Vegetto's pissed, Vegetto has a point, a line is being drawn, Gast has special powers, everybody is back, Bra is emotionally broken, and... now everyone's cool with Bra. Even Bra is cool with Bra.

I don't know, if it were me, I'd have had Bra just be speechless here. 1 Resposta/es

Does Vegeta warning Gohan in any way change the fact that he had the audacity to fire a missile at Gohan's family. 1 Resposta/es

> I still don't buy Bra suddenly going all sadistic here. The closest we ever came to this in the real DBZ is when Gohan first went SSJ2 and Cell made a point of mentally breaking him down beforehand. I feel like this needed more setup of Bra getting humiliated and Goten being in danger to make her snap believable.

> Seriously though, this is an interesting pattern I'm starting to notice. Every now and then she gets mad and her power gets out of hand, but on rare occasion she straight up goes on a slaughter. Everyone was calling Mary Sue before because she had generic "oh no my power is too great to control" issues but that's two brothers she's killed now grinning ear to ear. This character isn't very redeemable but damn if she isn't growing on me.

I have to agree with both of these. A little more setup would have improved this but, ironically enough, most often complain that the comic is moving too slowly, and they'd have a point.

>Try putting yourself in the shoes of a kid born with immense power and forced to train and fight all your life while being denied a childhood. Instead being sent to countless, never ending battlefields, made into a peacekeeper, and having tons of responsibility shoved on you. All on top of not being able to choose anything in your life nor having any friends due to this lifestyle forced on you. It would greatly change your perspective if you did that.

Eh?

* She wasn't "forced to train and fight all of her life." She's, what, 9-12 years old at this point in the story?
* She wasn't denied a childhood. Her mother is rich and educated.
* We saw Bra complain about not getting to train, and specifically going over to Gohan's in order to spar with him. It's quite likely she CHOSE this. Because she's a Saiyan.
* We have barely seen Bra "forced into neverending battleifleds" in the main comic so it's a bit hard to believe that would be what's making her like this.

...ironic. Bra broke Gohan's spine. Now a female Bojack wannabe broke hers. Also, the wannabe is probably the buff chick's girlfriend, like Zanguya was Bojack's, and Bra snapped her neck by acciden.

Foot-hameha's.

I really wish those weren't a thing.



Oh how the mighty space god has fallen. Vegetto, defeated by magic space water!

> Here come the "Vegito shouldn't need SSJ3 for this" comments

XD

You cut everybody off.

> It's a contradiction

1) This comic has been in production for years. I think we can forgive a small continuity error.

2) Assuming this is an illusion, technically Vegito never HAS shown this power to anyone.

Aw, I was hoping Old Kai would be "right side up" and Gohan and Videl would be upside-down when they teleported.

So who or what do we imagine this new threat will be like? Seems like they're on a planet that's mostly water in one of those panels. But that one dude is talking about "bases" so... I have no idea what's going on here.


I read on the forums somewhere that Salagir, allegedly, called the tournament the "beginning" to a much grander adventure. He did this awhile ago on Kanzenshuu.


I've been imagining my own version of DBM for awhile now and reviewing chapters for months, and partly just to distract myself from how depressing my and everybody else's lives are right now, so I never forgot the circumstances. Re-reading the older chapters and seeing all of the old users back when Vegetto vs Broly was the BIG NEW THING is rather nostalgic for me.
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Well. I give it 3 pages until Bra screws this up.



The Space Mafia? Oh yeah, nobody's stronger than them. And god help the poor souls who find themselves on Iguana Street. 1 Resposta/es

You know... in hindsight...

I've been doing the same. I spent so much of my adolescence following this comic. It's reassuring to see it still chugging along, and to think back to all of the discussions that went on here.

I miss Roketto, Davidstarlingm, YOUR, and Scarfaced Bandit somewhat.

Page 742 has a pretty telling shot of Vegetto getting so pissed off about not getting to fight he's willing to threaten Gohan. I mean, I don't think most dads, even hotheads, fantasize about literally breaking their children's skulls.

It's been pretty clear to me for awhile now that Vegetto was going to be a threat, and was more sinister than he appeared. The visions Bardock had indicated something would be wrong, and that Bra wouldn't be on his side. We got a scene of Vegetto outright threatening Gohan over something trivial. Now we have a scene that kind of explains why Bra doesn't treat Vegetto like a father figure.

It's certainly an extreme, and pretty evil, but regardless of how the next page/chapter rationalizes it this hasn't come completely out of nowhere. Vegetto's been written as an arrogant, violent hothead more than once. Remember how he acted when he tried to force Ginyu out of Bra's body. "Against Vegetto you can only obey?"

Also, it might be an unreliable narrator as others have said - this could be in reference to Vegetto trying to make Bra angry way back in the Universe 16 special.

> This is ridiculous and makes zero sense. It completely throws away any sense of logic. Vegito is a combination of Goku and Vegeta's best traits. His personality has no reason to be muderous to his children. Not Goku or Vegeta EVER showed traits like this.

Makes plenty of sense. Somebody else said it best, and I'm just throwing in my two cents.

Goku: wants a challenge
Vegeta: doesn't want to be surpassed.

Vegerot: both, and on top of that he's Vegeta without being redeemed on the Dragonball goodness scale. Plus, ten years of being an all-powerful space cop.

Not saying that this was Salagir's actual reasoning, but it's a neat twist if you ask me.

LEGIONNAIRES. WE HAVE A PROBLEM.



...that DOES explain a lot. 1 Resposta/es

You might say that Goku...

...picked the WRONG TURTLE TO MESS WITH.

For those unaware a long time ago before we had the new comment section there was a beta version of this page. In the panel where Yamcha says "run away" he actually said "depart" and it turned into a meme because of how awkward it sounded. Hilarious back in the day, but it was just a bad translation.

I guess it had to happen sometime. It's been chapters in the making, but we finally see Majin Bra breaking down.

> Looks like majin bra finally realized her mistakes. That or she’s going to go kill babidi to prove she’s stronger
you post here!

Pffft-ha.

> this page

I can't believe that those clothes are still holding.

Epic rap battles of history.

Son Bra

VS

BULL-LA!

BEGIN!

Hi there DBM. Been a little while.

Gohan is preparing something and Buu's the distraction, but I wonder if he knew Buu would try this.

Wow. This new system is pretty nice.

I feel like Vegeta of all people should have known better - Frieza's kind can "breath" in space. 1 Resposta/es

Wow. Bra's awful distressed about this. Vegeta didn't seem to care about Babidi's survival.