“I hope so…because Buu just acquired what you know…He is now incredibly dangerous!”
Could better be read as something like:
“I hope so…because with what Buu just acquired, he is now incredibly dangerous!”

“They are way more powerful than you think…they weren’t lucky to be against Buu, thats all”
This one is mostly fine, just slightly cumbersome in the wording, a very slight adjustment helps the flow, putting “just weren’t lucky” would make it passable, but if I were to be more liberal with the sentence structure it’d read more like:
“They are way more powerful than you think…they just weren’t lucky to be matched against Buu.”

Stealing Scorpion's catchphrase, are we?

how the actual shit is polar still alive?! he should have at LEAST passed out from blood loss by now, he got stabbed in the gut!

Today was saying: This fight is getting ridiculous
Could you please elaborate what exactly is getting ridiculous to you in this fight? Because I really like it so far.

Oh God! That's haram, Salagir!



There! Much better! xD Made by Just Saiyan on DBM Discord.

Salagir was saying: Add to that, that DBM is mainly for people who followed DB 30 years ago, it's not meant to be compatible with 10-years-olds like DB Super is. In my opinion, to see the level of gore and violence we have in DBM, you have to be old enough, and way more old than the required age to see even full frontal nudity in a non-porn drawing.
Then I want the child violence back!!! xD

You know, a part of me does feel like it should have been Yamcha and Bulma over Vegeta and Bulma.

Well to those that thought it was Buu...you're half right.

But looks like Buu may have absorbed Bee and became...that.

TrustMe was saying: Hmm, I am not the biggest fan of the development here.

First off, I kind of feel weird about Gokhan having Pan. So in a way, Goku screwed Videl?.. Just doesn't feel right.

Also, as someone else pointed out before, Gokhan has the memories of Goku banging Chichi, which must feel weird for at least half of him.

Then, I also have troubles believing Gokhan would even go back to Videl, or that Videl would want him back. Bulma and Vegeta (and Goku and Chichi) have been together for years before they fused into Vegito. So it makes sense Vegito would return to one of the mates he had before.

But Gohan and Videl? They weren't even a full item back then, they were just getting started. Videl is what, 18 in Buu saga? Gokhan would be at least 30, if we average out Goku's and Gohan's age. On top of that, Gokhan would still be a fight maniac, due to his Goku's side, so he would not stick around enough to form a meaningful connection to Videl.

Also, does Videl not feel weird screwing what is basically her boyfriend+his father?.. Is Satan ok with this?..

I also kinda dislike the idea of every singe of Vegitto's children being absolute powerhouses. It is ok with Bra, maybe she is special (on top of being Vegito's child), and she does have the saiyan rage within her. Pan? No way. She is just too peaceful and pure to have such rage within her as Bra does, and the rage is one of the reasons why I buy Bra being that OP in the first place. Although I guess you could explain it as her being a daughter of Goku (the best fighter in the series) and Gohan (the fighter with the highest potential in the series). I would much rather have Pan be like Goku - not born too powerful, but born with martial arts in her blood, which allow her to break all the limits a "natural weakling" like her should not be able to break.


All of that being said - I can't wait to see where this goes. I just think it works better as a gag comic than a true addition to DBM canon, as I do not buy such development of Gokhan, which, btw, basically sounds like Gohan pronounced by a German (all love and respect to German people here, I am just making a joke, I hope it does not come off offensive).

Time to debunk you. First of all, whenever Gogeta or Vegito says "I'm not Goku nor Vegeta". He is literally not Goku nor Vegeta, Fusion isn't "Two people combined" It's "A new being created out of the two combined people."

A completely different concept. Gokhan, is not Goku, He is not Gohan. I don't understand why everyone seems to forget that important detail. Another thing is, Potara, unlike Fusion Dance, isn't a perfect split, Potara is whatever genes are more dominant than the other, Vegito for example, isn't necessarily 50/50 Goku & Vegeta, he isn't necessarily 75% Vegeta and 25% Goku either. More of what Vegeta was shows up in Vegito, but that doesn't mean he's "More Vegeta" than Goku, cause we've also seen a lot of Goku show up in him.

It's whatever genes from both fusees are more dominant. Now that we got that out of the way, I do completely agree, why in the world would Videl go for this? In most cases, a reader should assume something happened that caused Videl to still fall for Gokhan. Gokhan again isn't Goku, he isn't Gohan, he's a different person, and to say "Banging Chichi's son & husband" is honestly a very complicated and more false than a true statement. Cause technically, Videl didn't, She banged Gokhan, not Goku nor Gohan.

However, then it gets confusing...so who is Pan to Chichi then? If Gokhan is an entirely new person but technically part of him came from her son, and part of him came from her own husband, how does that work? Well see that's the issue, its the same crap with Bra. In Bra's case, she isn't actually part of the Son Family, she's part of the Briefs family yes because Vegito is still with Bulma, but we still have to think this as "Gokhan isn't Goku nor Gohan", so in Pan's case in this Gokhan's universe, she's neither, really.

Super confusing, honestly, if you ask me, Gokhan having a child with Videl makes not much sense and its better not to think too deeply about anything.

> I also kinda dislike the idea of every singe of Vegitto's children being absolute powerhouses

What? Vegito only has one child? Bra? Explain pls. And the rest of that paragraph, ofc Pan is OP, but she isn't Vegito's child? I'm really confused.

Anyway, I loved this chapter, it came out really good, and like the previous one, the art was really good.



Shadow-Ragna was saying: Gortex was saying: This universe makes me feel uncomfortable

Yeah some things felt weird since now Gohan and Goku pretty much...well bed Videl and had a kid and I am surprised Chi-Chi is alright with this? In fact surprised Videl is okay with that kind of situation.

BangBang was saying: Yeah, with so many universes out there, better get more variety.

Yeah since its fun to get a variety universe than steeping to close to Universe 16 and 18.

Getting more Variety is a lot of fun, I honestly wish we could get another Side-Comic exploring a "Different DB Multiverse". I'd love to see more concepts explored, and all that jazz.

His constant drive to surpass Goku contradicts everything you just said.

TrustMe was saying: FantomPhoenix was saying: TrustMe was saying: rapidge was saying: MajinPower was saying: The face of a man that for the first time has defeated Vegeta in front of us!

It wasn't until recently I realized that Goku never actually beat Vegeta...this was a big deal.

Who is it a big deal to though? I think only Vegeta fans are concerned about who gets the win, Goku's fans (including myself) don't really care about that as Goku is and will always be the better fighter. Goku is not concerned about this either, and he is not happy he beat Vegeta, he is happy he had a good fight and Vegeta has proven his worth to him (as in rosat special Goku was pissed at Vegeta for not being able to go to level 3) as a great rival.

But if Vegeta won this fight, that would make no sense. Time after time original manga has shown that Vegeta will only play catch-up to Goku, and Vegeta himself admitted it. They ignored it somewhat in Super, but this manga does not consider Super to be canon.

Personally the idea of "Goku is and always will always be the better fighter" goes against the theme of constant improvement in Dragonball for me.

Why can't Vegeta ever reach Goku's level? Why can't anyone else in the main cast ever hope to rival him? Why must all the Z fighters merely sit back and accept their places rather then constantly striving to improve themselves substantially? Why does it matter what the original manga displayed when this takes place long after the end of that manga and clearly has an entire multiverse of events to draw from.

Plus, it makes more sense for the two to be equals rather then having Vegeta just be a slightly worse version/fighter of Goku constantly copycatting him.

DB Super actually is doing a fairly decent job of fixing their rivalry by having Vegeta gain his own path to power and give him a win in skill once in a while.

In my eyes, after they've trained and fought together for so long, their skill should be 50/50,not Goku is always better no matter what Vegeta does.

I know the quote you're referencing, the "You're better then me Kakarot", but that can be interpreted in a different way then Vegeta giving up completely against Goku. I saw it as him coming to terms with his current place in the rankings, which he always had severe difficulty doing before, but Rankings of strength can shift and change constantly no matter who you are.

Goku/Vegeta is a legendary attempt at a rivalry, but I say attempt because it's not a true rivalry. In canon, it's Vegeta wanting a rivalry yet not being good enough to properly rival Goku ever aside from a few times at best. A true rivalry should be 50/50, with both rivals having their own unique advantages and disadvantages over the other that balance each other out, at least in my eyes.

Goku and Vegeta almost succeed in this, except Goku always beats out Vegeta in where Dragonball matters most, skill and power (as eventually the series just becomes about who can hit harder/shoot bigger ki blasts). It makes sense training wise, Vegeta had no proper mentors like Goku did and the method of Zenkai boost torture training that Vegeta was trying, which caused him to over train and strain his own progress, wasn't working after a while, but constantly training with Goku for years and eliminating that skill gap while also being a fighting prodigy in his own right should eventually eliminate that skill and mentorship gap between the two.

Speaking as a fan of Vegeta, I'd like to see him rise to the level of an ACTUAL rival of Goku. Not remain in the boat of being a slightly worse fighter that's constantly playing catch-up with Goku.

Did you start watching DB at OG, or Z?

The reason I ask, is because originally DB was not intended to be a series about rivalry between the two MCs, because there is only one true MC in DB - Goku. The series is about Goku, and Vegeta was included against Toriyama's wishes (he disliked Vegeta, but due to his popularity had to keep him in the story).

People who started watching DB at Z are often under the impression that Vegeta was always relevant in this series, but that is not the case. DB began as Goku's show, focused solely on Goku. Z gave more spotlight to other characters, and with Super we are back to Goku's show + sidekick Vegeta.

I am not saying Goku has to be the strongest in the series - no, but he has to be the best at getting stronger. Goku's point is not that he is "super strong dude", but rather that "there is no limit he can't break". Vegeta was never about that, he just does not have the same love for training and fighting that Goku does, as he admitted in his speech in Buu Saga. Goku fights to better himself, unlike Vegeta. Goku is happy when the enemy is stronger than him, but not Vegeta.

Also, I think Super acknowledging Vegeta's responsibilities to his family is another factor why he should not be on Goku's level. Vegeta is becoming a good husband and dad, and he has to skip training sometimes because of his obligations to this family. Goku? Nope, does not care one bit about family-time or responsibilities. He is just a fighting maniac with fighting and training being the only things on his mind. He is just more dedicated (for better or for worse..)

Think of it this way - there is no Goku, Vegeta probably never gets higher than 20k PL. There is no Vegeta - does not matter to Goku, as he is not pushing himself to be better than Vegeta, but to be better than he himself was yesterday.

I like Vegeta as a straight-man to Goku's craziness and immaturity though, and cannot deny he had probably the best character development in this series, which manga has taken even further with Moro and Granolah arc's. But he is just not the boy who went from shit-tier saiyan class to becoming the elite of the elite, purely because of his love for martial arts.

I'm aware of what Vegeta was, and how the series started out.

But Vegeta has changed, and is certainly not Goku's sidekick. That's a very odd take.

It doesn't really matter what the series originally intended to be, it was originally a parody/gag comic that changed, so that holds no real relevance anymore. Goku used to be smacking people off of manga panels.

It also doesn't matter what Vegeta would have become without Goku, because Goku changed him greatly on a fundamental level.

Point is, it's not enough for Vegeta to be considered Goku's rival when all he does is chase his tail 90% of the time. A proper rivalry in my eyes, is 50/50 and fluctuates one way or the other from time to time.

With Goku and Vegeta, it's always skewed towards Goku. Yes there are clear reasons for why that happened, but it's nonetheless not too satisfying years after all of Vegeta's development after the Buu saga.

With DB Super not being too relevent here. While it's true Vegeta is more of a family man then Goku, he still spends years away from home training (if you count the time chamber) in DB Super. So his drive is clearly just as great as Goku's is.

Especially now that he is in fact improving himself and his own fighting style, and learning from other fighters that aren't even Goku, but taking pages from the book from Jiren for instance in the new movie.

Anyways, it'd be nice to see someone who's just as driven as Gojy basically, and can properly rival him. Not through fusion or unfair means, just a proper upfront rival, and Vegeta is the closest thing we have to that, but he always falls short, which is frustrating.

I did watch all of Dragonball, Z and Super (only skimmed GT, I'll admit).

TrustMe was saying: rapidge was saying: MajinPower was saying: The face of a man that for the first time has defeated Vegeta in front of us!

It wasn't until recently I realized that Goku never actually beat Vegeta...this was a big deal.

Who is it a big deal to though? I think only Vegeta fans are concerned about who gets the win, Goku's fans (including myself) don't really care about that as Goku is and will always be the better fighter. Goku is not concerned about this either, and he is not happy he beat Vegeta, he is happy he had a good fight and Vegeta has proven his worth to him (as in rosat special Goku was pissed at Vegeta for not being able to go to level 3) as a great rival.

But if Vegeta won this fight, that would make no sense. Time after time original manga has shown that Vegeta will only play catch-up to Goku, and Vegeta himself admitted it. They ignored it somewhat in Super, but this manga does not consider Super to be canon.

Personally the idea of "Goku is and always will always be the better fighter" goes against the theme of constant improvement in Dragonball for me.

Why can't Vegeta ever reach Goku's level? Why can't anyone else in the main cast ever hope to rival him? Why must all the Z fighters merely sit back and accept their places rather then constantly striving to improve themselves substantially? Why does it matter what the original manga displayed when this takes place long after the end of that manga and clearly has an entire multiverse of events to draw from.

Plus, it makes more sense for the two to be equals rather then having Vegeta just be a slightly worse version/fighter of Goku constantly copycatting him.

DB Super actually is doing a fairly decent job of fixing their rivalry by having Vegeta gain his own path to power and give him a win in skill once in a while.

In my eyes, after they've trained and fought together for so long, their skill should be 50/50,not Goku is always better no matter what Vegeta does.

I know the quote you're referencing, the "You're better then me Kakarot", but that can be interpreted in a different way then Vegeta giving up completely against Goku. I saw it as him coming to terms with his current place in the rankings, which he always had severe difficulty doing before, but Rankings of strength can shift and change constantly no matter who you are.

Goku/Vegeta is a legendary attempt at a rivalry, but I say attempt because it's not a true rivalry. In canon, it's Vegeta wanting a rivalry yet not being good enough to properly rival Goku ever aside from a few times at best. A true rivalry should be 50/50, with both rivals having their own unique advantages and disadvantages over the other that balance each other out, at least in my eyes.

Goku and Vegeta almost succeed in this, except Goku always beats out Vegeta in where Dragonball matters most, skill and power (as eventually the series just becomes about who can hit harder/shoot bigger ki blasts). It makes sense training wise, Vegeta had no proper mentors like Goku did and the method of Zenkai boost torture training that Vegeta was trying, which caused him to over train and strain his own progress, wasn't working after a while, but constantly training with Goku for years and eliminating that skill gap while also being a fighting prodigy in his own right should eventually eliminate that skill and mentorship gap between the two.

Speaking as a fan of Vegeta, I'd like to see him rise to the level of an ACTUAL rival of Goku. Not remain in the boat of being a slightly worse fighter that's constantly playing catch-up with Goku.

MajinPower was saying: The face of a man that for the first time has defeated Vegeta in front of us!

It wasn't until recently I realized that Goku never actually beat Vegeta...this was a big deal.

Sega was saying: My question is, why did this fight piss off Vegito?

Because they unlocked a new form that he wasn't able to. It's not that they're anywhere near as strong as him but that they've become better and wiser martial artists.

Destroying an apartment to catch a few burglars? Doesn't this make these guys worse than them?

and yep. Whole fight is done. What a waste.

Glad we’re going to see some reactions and possibly even a flashback but all suspense is killed.

Bad move Salagir.

Meh, I always thought UI was just a bad Kenbun-shoku no Haki knockoff from One Piece anyway.

lots of thoughts coming up about past instances in DBM that may hint at what these two guys will do. (Sorry in advance for the wall of text :P)
we know goku has never really been a technical kind of guy... he just learns things quick and applies them in the most intelligent fashion... he doesn't need an arsenal of moves, just a bunch of basic ones: a power enhancement (kaioken), an energy beam that he mastered in all shapes and forms (kamehameha), and a dragon punch, which is his only original attack.
meanwhile vegeta is portrayed as someone who takes influence from all his battles and experiences, always comes up with new techniques, and even analyzes his opponents' moves (instant transmission for example in his battle with cell). i propose that if someone were to use the super kaioken, it would actually be vegeta and not goku... although i think the answer is that he combined the principle of kaioken with the super saiyan power... so instead of transforming into the levels and using up stamina to do so, he can access the super saiyan power in bursts and at different multipliers which would allow him, with a little bit of a different application, burst into SS2 and SS3 in record time like he did against cell. Salagir has been laying it out for us in breadcrumbs and this page may have just confirmed it to me.
so far goku has been breezing through the tournament in quick fights, even the one with uub went by quickly against goku's initial wishes. meanwhile vegeta's has been a journey of facing his past: he beat the crowned king version of himself, had a reunion fight with Trunks and got to know about his progress and inspire him to get even stronger like him. then he beat the shadow of goku, kakarot, showing pride in what he learned from goku, and pride in Pan for being like her grandfather as well. Then he beat cell, arguably the one f-up he didn't really contribute to fixing in the past.
he instilled pride in goku to fight and beat freeza, he sired trunks who killed freeza, he was willing to fuse and later be the last wall protecting earth's final hope against kid buu, the spirit bomb. but with cell he messed up, had to apologize to gohan for what he did, and even went to the brink of giving up on fighting forever after goku's death. but he's faced and destroyed cell, flipping the cockiness scenario onto him.
now this is really Vegeta's fight. Goku is a constant, he gets stronger and all that but at the core he's the same character, meanwhile Vegeta's growth has been heavily emphasized in DBM. in my eyes, this battle is the last obstacle he has to proving himself, he's grown as a person and accepted his failings, now it's time to show how learning from your past and allowing others to positively influence you can lead you to surpass them.
Lets Go Team VEGETA!

I assume Goku did the same - since the both of them are Rivals. And of Course he is not just going to disappoint Vegeta and let him just blast off alone and don't train to further keep up with him.

I like the reference to Pan's reaction to Goku's and Vegeta's training fight in the HTC of chapter 78. On page 1799 Pan says how she has to hold back her tears, and then later on page 1813 the waterfall runs without end.

I am overjoyed to see DBM sincerely trying to build up the next-gen Z-Warriors, especially at moments when the focus is actually on Vegeta and Goku.

I didn't know it was the same story with the dog. I just looked up his work and saw it. Obviously I know they won't release more pages I was just saying it to show appreciation.I would delete the comment if the website would let me. Or since u are a mod feel free to delete it. I don't mind. I was drunk when I wrote it anyway.

Shouldn't Xen Buu have said before me since he was threat after Perfect Cell?

Just Saiyan was saying: And now it looks like we can add murder to the list of the many felonies our heros committed today. Maybe a super old Krillen will come and arrest them.
Right, because humans usually don't die before they're over 300 years old...

Not bulletproof per se, but they all hit harder than most bullets.

Usually tenkaichi participants are the strongest people in the world, Orzo shouldn't have any problems.

Also, Saiyans are extinct, at best he is 1/64th Saiyan which means he might as well be just human.

Fifty Bucks Universe Thirteen Vegeta threatens to kill Radditz and let's him stay dead, if Kakarotto dares to misbehave to much.

Why ? Because Radditz and Kakarotto have shown to more or less care for each other. Plus they are Brothers. Kakarotto may be immortal, but there are things that Vegeta could take from him. Like for Example his Brother. Kakarotto lacks the Strength to stop him, right ?

And apparently the Tournament Organizers won't interfere between Incidents of the Universes which are kept to their own.

The other note is how this universe diverged a long time ago. So, Bibidi summoned Majin Buu instead of creating him from what I understand. I’ve always wondered if Bibidi summoned Majin Buu as he was or if his summoning magic somehow perverted Buu’s mind and body and that’s why he was so crazy and malleable. If so, could this be the true Majin Buu?

Since there's not much to comment about this, I'd like to tell you my opinion about Bardock's visions. For reference, they are at page 418 (I'll kill you all if I have to) page 419 (This masquerade ends now) page 731 (We'll find a way to stop Vegetto) page 732 (You've beaten all the others...) and page 796 (Cold will lose and end up in bad shape). Tell me if I missed one.

Visions have no context and the worst part is that they're not 100% graphically accurate. Take for instance page 796 and page 1262 where Cold is seen defeated and recovering in the capsule. Cold in not seen in his correct form in the vision, maybe to not spoil the transformation. This was the last time a vision came true FYI more than 1000 pages ago, and the second last time I believe it was at page 744 when Gast used his "stop" to entrap Zenbuu, which was foreshadowed in page 419. Most visions were just part of a side plot. For instance when in page 419 Frieza says "Captain Ginyu isn't dead then" or Zenbuu says "This masquerade ends now", we could've assumed these were all critical plot points leading to some big revelation or plot twist or arc, like the majin rebellion, but they all were solved inside the same chapter in a couple of pages as a side story development. The arguably most important visions, the ones about Vegetto, are the ones that have had the longest time coming to realization. Is that because of how much they would impact the story, firing up a whole arc of Evil Vegetto maybe? This wasn't the case in the other visions and thus in my opinion I think they will come true evetually, but solved right afterwards like every other one. Maybe they'll go like: I'll kill you all if I have to followed right up by U18 Bra saying she just needs to be supported and talked the right way etc. then Vegetto calming down and thus ending years of yearning for the forsaken Visions in a couple of pages just to please (or troll) the audience because they don't line up anymore with Salagir's plans with DBM.

My point is many seem to theorize disregarding the organic flow of the story and twisting it enough to fit in the visions. For me the visions were a cool plot device to engage the audience back in page 418. But holding to these would just hurt the story now. For sure Salagir didn't have it all planned from the begining and he's surely made changes along the way because he's getting better and more serious about the quality and structure of his work.

To me the story portrays Bra as the main character of DBM. She's the one with the most spotlight time, mainly since the majin rebellion arc. She's the "Gohan" of DBM (like in the Cell saga) which has shown to have the most potential and maybe enough to unlock a new form past beyond SSJ3, maybe like how SSJ2 was an upgrade in every sense to ultra super saiyan. She's the one set to defeat the big baddie XXI maybe with the help of Uub now that he's learned to use magic.

Thanks for reading.

I don't think it's wise of Pan to try to play around a ticking bomb especially if that ticking bomb comes from her own universe.

I am one of those "Bra haters" (I guess..)... But there's one thing that is annoying me. I just hate how that entire bravado is nowhere to be seen, and now we amp up the oh-so-remorseful puppydog eyes. She was a terrible person before babidi smacked a an M on her forehead, she wasn't puppet with strings, she knew damn well what she was doing, too.
Just because we now draw her with these sparkly shy eyes, we still remember the nonsense she pulled for the longest time. So yeah, I'd also reiterate: you tell her, Pan.

I wonder if Kami will now Seal his power, explaining how he dropped from SSJ tier to below Raditz tier in an attempt to Neuter Pickles.

Calling it now! Uub somehow learned to heal himself, thus prolonging the Kaioken without downfalls...Hey, if we use Fast and Furious logic it's pretty much a permanent Kaioken. Cheers!

Your short.

It took me this long to see the misspelling. Ouch,