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2014-11-05

Special Bojack

Sunday 23, a special chapter by Juliensk!

It will tell a far away past, and the creation of the Bojack gang!

Four updates a week, including minicomics.

Your comments about this page :

2012-01-22 20:00:49

Kaiju-Z

YES! Gast is a good guy 8'D
2012-01-22 20:02:50

Your nikc

Oh, dear, Angry Namek on the loose....Vegeta's gonna get it!
2012-01-22 20:01:01

Zerch

If u can read minds, y u no create new dragonballs?????
2012-01-22 20:01:20

a random guy

good hes propably not gonna kill them
2012-01-22 20:01:23

ssj4 Your nick

The quality's finally back!
2012-01-22 20:01:39

Neruc

So he wont kill them after all
2012-01-22 20:02:06

Crackpot

Gast is definitely a no nonsense Namek, gotta love that.
2012-01-22 20:02:34

stouty22

Ah there it is. the mind reading powers. Im not sure I would want mind reading powers my self... people think some strange things... probably would be pretty awkward most of the time.
2012-01-22 20:03:08

SupremeVegeta

And the plot thickens! Can't wait to see if Gohan and Krillen fight Vegeta 1st or if Gast just kills him.. I think Gast may already have defeated Freiza which in that case equals sad face :(
2012-01-22 20:03:10

hulkty

Hmmm, still think there is a chance he may kill them....maybe absorb them?
2012-01-22 20:03:15

SonGokuh

LOL. Vegeta's gonna die. No Trunks. Frieza is gonna die. No SSJ (possibly). No SSJ = Gast ruling the cosmos.
2012-01-22 20:04:02

Saiyajinn

If the Z fighters don't die here, they'll die during the androids if Gast kills Vegeta.
2012-01-22 20:04:33

Docter Killjoy

he doesn't like talking. who can blame him with ears like that the noise must be painfull.
vegeta is doomed, if he's smart he would flee the planet but him being arrogant he chargers gast head on and gets 1 shotted probaly.
2012-01-22 20:04:59

Rage

Mindreading, lets hope he doesnt read to much of what Krillin and Bulma have in mind. ( Impure thoughts ;D )
2012-01-22 20:05:49

chris

lets c wat happens
2012-01-22 20:06:16

MysticGogito

Awesome! I'm liking this special, I wanna see how different this Universe is from the original DBZ universe 18. :D
2012-01-22 20:08:32

Rafael

Well, here it is, the mind reading powers, it's all y.o.u.r.s. XD. I'm loving this art so far.
2012-01-22 20:10:29

Hmmm

Looks like this means goku is going to die of the heart disease.
2012-01-22 20:15:25

Y.O.U.R.

Hmm, are there 2 people drawing this special? Kinda weird how the style changes around. And Gast finally thinks. Started to get worried that he would be a namekian broly... good to know he's not all dead in the head ^^
The art on this page look much better then the last one. Though it's weird that Krillin's the only one who ALWAYS looks good on every page ^^

>I assume it's only an addition to their body not physically changing it.
Why? It does change your body. you can't be an immortal if your body is the same as it was before. Then you wouldn't be immortal. As a matter of fact, making you younger seems much easier then giving immortality which is a much more specific and complex thing that simply giving youth again.
but then again, these were stronger dragonballs anyway.
>That would be like if Goku swallowed a screw and asked Shenron to take it out.
It's as much part of their bodies as the android parts are. Those "shouldn't be there" either if we take that route.
>Gohan had his potential unlocked past his limits
When does he not? He gets his full pontential every freaking saga... That's like his hobby. LIke it is Vegeta's to help the main villain get stronger. ^^
>But magic might explain why the fur is pink or red.
then blond hair is also magical?
>it's possible to have a secret lab in hell then I guess it's possible for Cell to alter his programming too.
I think the secret lab was a weirder addition then Cell simply absorbing Goku. ^^
>Fat Buu had infinite stamina against Goku yet he was losing energy against Kid Buu. I wasn't sure but I assumed Fat Buu was weaker after he was spit out so I thought some of his energy was absorbed by Evil Buu which turned him back to his original form.
That's because Fat Buu who fought goku isn't the one who fought Kid Buu. Good Buu/MR. Buu fought Kid Buu. Fat Buu = Good Buu (weak)+ evil Buu (stronger)
>if either the heroes or the villains were too smart then there wouldn't be much plot left.
there would be if both were smart ^^
> GT fans tell you it's canon.
It's not canon , that's for sure.

@rafael
>Well, here it is, the mind reading powers, it's all y.o.u.r.s. XD.
God dammit Nappa, noone will get that!
2012-01-22 20:13:33

Kaiju-Z

@Y.O.U.R.

Mmm, could be.
2012-01-22 20:14:00

Foolish

I've never liked Vegeta. Finally he get some form of punishment.
2012-01-22 20:14:02

Mighty Hyena

Dude, Vegeta is soooo screwed...
2012-01-22 20:15:42

Cyanideman

You really only need to read Gohan's mind, Krillin and Bulma have impure thoughts that might get them all killed...
2012-01-22 20:16:15

perucho1990

@Zerch

Because the balls are inert.
2012-01-22 20:20:38

Y.O.U.R.

Poor Gast I already see what will be...

gast reading gohan's mind: hmm, science, art, family, not bad...
gast reading krillin's mind: dear god, am I realy this scary??
gast reading bulma's mind: wow, so much empty space... Wait , what's that? OH MY GOD SO MUCH POOORN!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS SHE DOING TO THAT GOAT?! NO WATI WAIT THAT DOES NOT BELONG THERE, THAT DOES NOT BELONG THEEEEERE!!!!!
2012-01-22 20:19:37

Tomé

Vegeta does not stand a chance
2012-01-22 20:21:05

Lightsider

Well, Vegeta's dead. So is Cui.
2012-01-22 20:22:05

VegetaSSJ3

This page is so much better than the previous one. The art is becoming great!
2012-01-22 20:22:13

Saltyk

Shoot just as I post on the last page a new one pops up. All well.

Hey, look Gast is going to read their minds. That should make Y.O.U.R happy!

@Y.O.U.R.
>Though it's weird that Krillin's the only one who ALWAYS looks good on every page
Well, Krillen is probably easier to draw, too.

>God dammit Nappa, noone will get that!
I got it.
2012-01-22 20:28:14

Metalsystem761

lol gast doesn't take 10 episodes he gets thing done fast, read minds, ok I know ur story now lets go kill some bad guys.
2012-01-22 20:28:25

Rage

@YOUR
And then Gast's soul was ruined for eternity.
2012-01-22 20:29:28

SonGokuh

LOL. Vegeta's gonna die. No Trunks. Frieza is gonna die. No SSJ (possibly). No SSJ = Gast ruling the cosmos.
2012-01-22 20:30:10

Shinrin

It was said in the mangas the Buus were doing damage to each other fighting each other. They didn't take lasting damage any other way. Punch from Goku was nothing, they popped back into shape and felt fine. Punches from each other actually hurt them and drained their stamina.
2012-01-22 20:32:03

Estrugaz

There is nothing to point out about the quality of this pages. The only thing you can actually point, is the fact that this art surpasses the main story's. Sorry Gogeta Jr. :/
2012-01-22 20:31:45

Super Kami Guru

@Zerch
>If u can read minds, y u no create new dragonballs?????
Just because he has the knowledge doesn't mean he has the ability. Say if Gast read a Super Saiyan's mind, would that mean he would be able to turn into a Super Saiyan?

It's the same thing with Piccolo. He fused with Kami, who created the Dragonballs, absorbing that knowledge, but he couldn't make a set of his own.
2012-01-22 20:35:18

Zerch

>hmmm
How is Goku going to get the heart disease if he doesn't fly to namek in the first place? He goes there when Bulma asks for help to earth.

>Super Kami Guru
You're right, maybe fusing between nameks make them lose their magical abilites, leaving them just their strenght and mental abilities
2012-01-22 20:32:28

Ledgic

>So he wont kill them after all

Vegeta might lol
2012-01-22 20:33:16

sick

@ Y.O.U.R.


Yeah, if Gast reads Bulma's mind, then they all toast. She has more impure thoughts than Vegeta :D
2012-01-22 20:33:54

Buster

Looks like Vegeta is about to continue his tradition of his ass getting mercilessly beat.

I wonder, since the DBs are gone, will Vegeta surrender in the face of overwhelming might, or will he get blasted to bits?

I'm looking at a one shot.
2012-01-22 20:35:20

Ledgic

>There is nothing to point out about the quality of this pages. The only thing you can actually point, is the fact that this art surpasses the main story's. Sorry Gogeta Jr. :/

He probably drew it...
2012-01-22 20:35:40

sick

@ Y.O.U.R.


Yeah, if Gast reads Bulma's mind, then they all toast. She has more impure thoughts than Vegeta :D
2012-01-22 20:40:08

SSJ Your nick

Ghost Nappa: What does the Scouter say about his power level?

Vegeta: IT'S OVER NINE... THOUSAND... MILLION........BILLION.........explodes
2012-01-22 20:44:38

Orumon

Really, Gast... why didn't you think of that in the first place.
2012-01-22 20:47:42

Nemesis Scorpion

Does anyone else think that the quality of the language has improved?
2012-01-22 20:53:05

Natty2

I bet Nail has the best Minesweeper score of the whole namekian race.
Gast approves.
2012-01-22 20:55:46

mike

holy crap stop with the specials I think they have more specials than the actual series
2012-01-22 21:01:23

Jzuri

Well, what do we have here, ah yes.. the art style changed for some random reason, Gast, the OP Namek, can read thoughts, and Vegeta, the Saiyan Prince who got his ass kicked back on Earth, is about to be RAPED BIG TIME. Lol i can't wait to see that happen, oh btw are we going to get a chance to see Cell and Majin Buu have their asses kicked in future pages of this special?
2012-01-22 21:03:04

Scar-faced Bandit

@YOUR
Last page had everyone in the Multiverse breaking rule #6 so we should probably keep the GT discussion on that page. I replied to your response from this page on the last one.
2012-01-22 21:07:34

IchigoMait

@Y.O.U.R.
at the third point you are wrong well half anyways, she might think of porn even think of doing it with Gast, but there is a problem, side the Gast having no genitals, that being Gast doesn't know anything about sex, only thing that is close enough is laying eggs threw his mouth and that is for him like for amoeba is multiplying.
It was many times shown how Piccolo reacted to those stuff and he was the only Namekian to stay on earth the longest while still not knowing about peoples porn addiction or whatever it is for him, it was just strange to him and he didn't get it at all.
2012-01-22 21:08:52

Vegetto the Badass

What Gast finds out from their minds: THESE POWERS ARE HARMLESS! OMG!!!
2012-01-22 21:15:37

Broly Jr.

@Y.O.U.R.
>@rafael
>Well, here it is, the mind reading powers, it's all y.o.u.r.s. XD.
>God dammit Nappa, noone will get that!

I get it.....
2012-01-22 21:22:12

Ddawg

If Gast kills Vegeta then no trunks!, if he kills frieza then no Ssj!, no frieza, no trunks, no ssj, that means no perfect cell!! Just cell!
2012-01-22 21:34:46

HomolaGabor

this is my new color image:
http://homolagabor.deviantart.com/#/d4n9v7u
2012-01-22 21:45:37

Supersaiyan34

MAybe Gast goes back to Earht with the Z Fighters, that could be where he fights Cell and Buu.
2012-01-22 21:53:35

Y.O.U.R.

@rage
>And then Gast's soul was ruined for eternity.
At least now we know why he doesn't speaks anymore ^^ It's a post-traumatic mental disorder.

>Last page had everyone in the Multiverse breaking rule #6
yeah, I guess we should be considered lucky to be alive. ^^

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2012-01-22 21:56:40

Dragonfighter417

OMG!! Just don't kill him and he have to deal with the future people and giving your "personal" protector of already dead planet with green water and stuff. I going say is Why is he sooo early to fuse together maybe when frieza is already attacking people or giving out a suprise attack. We have to red cock on cell being in your timeline because cell need frieza, goku, vegeta, etc, etc,. To become whole or something. You are too early to become a super namekain it just ruin your character and become like a killing machine.
2012-01-22 21:58:32

Pizzachu

It's got to be hard to not wonder if Namekians have penises while one's reading your mind.
2012-01-22 22:01:34

Smoke

hmmmmm...apparently he is not evil...
2012-01-23 06:30:15

MikeysBoner(certified god)

I like how the art style sort of changes around a bit. Reminds me of some old comics I used to read.
2012-01-22 22:08:09

C9316

It's gonna suck to be Vegeta in a few pages...
2012-01-22 22:17:38

a name

[IMAGE]
...And cue R&B music!
2012-01-22 22:18:32

its over 8000! yes 8000!

Did you just read my mind?

Muffin button

but
muffin button


so vegeta gets raped fast and hard but might manage to take out krillian as well I hope the Namekian doesnt try to to fight all of frezias forces all at once

mabey they will team up and everyone else will die?

take out Ginyu Goku doesnt get a beating so hes away from super sayian so hes dead
2012-01-22 22:20:18

CellPerfectForm

Wounder who is gonna die first... Vegeta or Cui?
2012-01-22 22:27:07

Danny

one thing i know than if gast is all of the nameks thts mean he also fused with guru thts how he can read mind i remenber guru could read mind and not the others namek Xd as i know of the episode season 2 XD yeah i have all the episode of dragon ball and it took a years to get all of them lol
2012-01-22 22:29:41

The Mighty Saiyajin

So, I guess we now know why he kills Cell and Buu. They simply talked too much. Gast couldn't take it anymore. I'd be tempted to make a parody of this scenario, but I don't think I'm good enough. Oh well ...
2012-01-22 22:30:33

Saltyk

@Scar-faced Bandit
>Yea Bardock probably had the biggest chance of becoming a SSJ.
Honestly, I find the idea that any of those saiyans would become a Super Saiyan unlikely. Just based on the raw emotion needed to transform. Part of why Goku transformed is because he was so calm normally. Getting as angry as he did when Frieza killed Krillen was unheard of. Did you ever see the movie Pleasantville? It takes place in a black and white television show. But eventually characters start being technicolor. The catalyst turned out to be them going against their established nature and growing as people. I think this is part of why Goku transformed. The rage he felt was unlike any he had ever felt before. As for Vegeta, he transformed because he got angry at himself. For the first time, ever in his life he had accepted his own limitations deep down in his heart and that fueled his transformation. I don't think any other saiyans could have the same expectations. Also, I'm pretty sure that one does need a minimum power level to transform.

>I still think Gohan even though his potential was unlocked should still train. Obviously he can't get any stronger now since it's his limit but he could at least stay in shape and work on his technique. That's probably what all the Other World fighters were doing. I'm sure most of them hit their limit in strength after a few thousand years of being dead but with all the different races there they could learn from each other.
Well, they might have reached a plateau that is difficult to surpass, but I refuse to think that they couldn't get stronger. As for Gohan, he should train more than he does anyway.

>I don't know I think it's a mix and match of a few different ones. I read one theory about the story behind Mr. Satan's name. Satan in Christianity tried to fool mankind and prevent them from having faith in their god. It's kinda like what Hercule did by fooling mankind and taking credit for something the gods/heroes did.
That's an interesting theory. Well, I looked up Buddhism via the interwebz and the Buddhist belief in death and rebirth seems to be what Dragonball conforms to.
2012-01-22 23:05:54

Someone

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2012-01-22 23:13:03

Kidbuu999

sooooo if the big bad namek is as strong as we all think he is i wanna see how he takes on majin buu and cell
2012-01-22 23:17:44

hife

I like this page. The art looks way better than on the last and it's nice they included the mind reading that was practically forgotten when the Z came into play. I hope they also won't forget about the impact of Freeza and Cold coming to earth.


Answers to two two pages ago (Sorry for taking so long):

Thanks for the advice; I see I'm not the only one who faced the intriguing power of TVtropes.

@Gokuse:

>Just do what I do and start a whole new browser, that way you no longer have to look at the tabs. Your Welcome!

I threw them to the depths of a seperate Tab group. They'll linger around there unable to menace me... until Pilaf comes along and frees them from that rice cooker.


@Roketto:

>My method: Only read a page for one series at a time. Open tabs from that main page as necessary. Have a limit of, say, five tabs. Never try to read a whole page for a series in one sitting. To give you an idea, it took me about 3 weeks to go through the whole page for Dragonball Z. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmw...ragonBall?from=Main.DragonBall (You're welcome, folks!)

You did that on purpose :P but I resisted (somehow links are easier to resist than reference without links for me). Sounds good; maybe I'll try that method before Pilaf can meddle. Do you set a time limit also?


@Y.O.U.R.:

>Yeah, my german used to be pretty good. Learned it on television when I was 5 ^^ Though I haven't really used in in years.

Cool ;) and here they say television will make you dumb^^ I wish, I'd learned more languages when I still had more time.
2012-01-22 23:26:16

brolyfan101

The translation needs to be cleaned up a little bit, however i am so far liking this. the namek/frieza saga was always my fav.

vegeta! GHOST NAPPA HAS SOMTHING TO TELL YOU! BIG GREENS MEAN AND HES A MACHINE!
2012-01-23 00:07:01

Darth_Jhan

Vegeta is gonna get curbstomp...
2012-01-23 01:52:00

baby gamera

strange that the fusion of all the nameks in the world would be impatient.
2012-01-23 01:57:28

supersaiyan2james

rip vegeta trunks and ha ha bra
2012-01-23 02:02:00

siksteen

Vegeta is getting his ass kicked right about...
2012-01-23 02:05:27

C2

Too bad for Vegeta.
2012-01-23 03:43:06

Goten

Will Goku get his ass kicked too?
2012-01-23 04:37:11

thefishjumps

I don't think Vegeta will be dumb enough to fight Gast, with his new ability to sense KI.
I just don't see this Gast attacking Vegeta if he doesn't attack first, Cui might try it since he think he is elite can't sense KI, and is idiotic enough to ignore his scouter bursting into 9000 pieces.
2012-01-23 04:40:33

konata5

ok good he will let Gohan and the rest live when he reads there good intentions so im guessing Gohan and Krillin will offer to help him fight vegeta than BOOM namek kills vegeta 1 shot and the other crap there pants lol
2012-01-23 04:55:03

DarkBuster

ok, so... Gast has already killed frieza, yes?
Gast is also acclaimed to have killed Cell and Buu.
The question is: if gast killed frieza, then frieza's cells never made it into Cell. Cell, therefore, does not have the ability to breathe in space. Cell, in this universe, would therefore be earthbound.

So, I'm guessing gast will have to return to earth with the heroes, as thats the only way he'll come across cell at all.
2012-01-23 05:08:10

goten

DarkBuster king cold cell are part cell to so mybe cooler king cold come to earth in frieza place and cell gets cells form them
2012-01-23 05:10:04

Strife

What do Namekian's even do when they aren't getting killed? They don't have very much technology, they don't have schools, they don't hunt, all they drink is water, which is easy to get. They seem like they stop moving completely between scenes because they have nothing better to do.
2012-01-23 05:11:01

Lollipop

@Goten He shouldn't once he reads their minds and finds out Goku is actually a good guy. But I may be wrong.
2012-01-23 05:28:15

Zanpakuto-Leader

So..Are Namekians like guppies? Since they survive out of water?
2012-01-23 05:49:56

小Z

Character Analyzing: Gast is a jerk.
2012-01-23 06:17:59

SSJ100000 Gogetatenksbuuhan

Vegeta wins. No doubt.
2012-01-23 07:00:33

Laey

>If u can read minds, y u no create new dragonballs?????

>It's the same thing with Piccolo. He fused with Kami, who created the Dragonballs, absorbing that knowledge, but he couldn't make a set of his own.

>You're right, maybe fusing between nameks make them lose their magical abilites, leaving them just their strenght and mental abilities

I think the reason why piccolo(after fused with kami) and Gast cannot create dragonball is simply because he is not a dragon clan before their fusion. A Namek fighter do not have the ability creating dragonballs, even fused with a dragon clan.
2012-01-23 07:55:34

Geno

Well, there's that legendary mind reading ability that Y.O.U.R. was wondering about. Finally, a chance for a little redemption of Gast's character. Kind of strange how Gohan, Krillin and Bulma all realized right then and there that they had to explain themselves as quickly and throughly as possible. Feels a bit too rushed, just like Gast's introduction. Also, I'd be funny if they didn't have the "z" in the sound effect for the pod door opening.
"All he wants to do is read your brains. He's not unreasonable, I mean, he chose not to skin your hides."

@ Saltyk- (Previous page)
>All I could think was: "Goku died!? What BS! And the dragonballs brought him back? That's even more BS! The Earth's dragon can't do that!" I later learned that I was right. In the manga, Goku never dies against Frieza.
Well, he never died in the anime there, either. It's just that it can be easily viewed that way with how long he takes to get out of the ground. I thought that same thing when I first saw it, too.

@ ssj4 Your nick-
>The quality's finally back!
Now that you mention it, I do find myself liking the art on this page... The English isn't bad either.

@ stouty22-
>Ah there it is. the mind reading powers. Im not sure I would want mind reading powers my self... people think some strange things... probably would be pretty awkward most of the time.
Pfft. Pass on it if you like. I'd love to be able to know what people are thinking whenever I wanted to. It would give me a huge advantage over them.

@ Hmmm-
>Looks like this means goku is going to die of the heart disease.
Vegeta's death doesn't necessarily mean that. First of all, if Goku is never put in the situation that leads him to that teleporting race's planet (Yadrat?), then he never gets the heart virus. Also, if he did get it, Bulma could always have someone else's son who gets named Trunks who she sends back in time.

@ Lightsider-
>Well, Vegeta's dead. So is Cui.
Now, now. Let's not count Cui out just yet. Cui is on par with the farmer sitting just above Kami in Popo's pecking order, after all (Obvious throw-back to old jokes).

@ SSJ Your nick-
>Ghost Nappa: What does the Scouter say about his power level?
Nappa: Fuckin' scouters. What do they say?

@ Ledgic- (Below)
.....Holy crap.
2012-01-23 09:06:51

MikeysBoner(certified god)

^Holy wall of text, Batman.

Edit: And a nameless mod saves the day once again.
2012-01-23 09:09:00

Syrias

general rule of thumb for people intent on breaking the comment rules:

do it in a way that is easily overlooked by mods. since more often than not the comment section consists of 300+ comments, single sentence rule breaking kinda can be overlooked... wall of text rule breaking is kinda hard to not see on the other hand...
2012-01-23 09:52:19

Scar-faced Bandit

@Syrias
>general rule of thumb for people intent on breaking the comment rules:
Not only that but old pages become a no man's land once a new pages comes out. I assumed we could continue the discussion on that page since 99% of the comments there were regarding that subject.
[IMAGE]
I wish I had someone to talk with on my side of the Multiverse! I'm a translator for the Arabic page and no one ever comments there D=. I'll try to cut back on my commenting here.

@Saltyk
>I don't think any other saiyans could have the same expectations. Also, I'm pretty sure that one does need a minimum power level to transform.
Good point! Did you watch the Episode of Bardock special? I liked it better than the manga version. In the manga they had Bardock transform when his little alien friend was getting beat up. In the special it showed Bardock thinking about his Toma and his friends who were killed. Considering Toma was like his only friend he ever had that made more sense to me. I still think you gotta have a minimum requirement too.

>Well, they might have reached a plateau that is difficult to surpass, but I refuse to think that they couldn't get stronger. As for Gohan, he should train more than he does anyway.
I think the stronger you get, the harder and longer you have to train in order to have a noticeable increase. They're dead so they have all the time in the world. The manga ended with our heroes surpassing the gods and becoming the strongest in the universe. I'm not sure how much stronger Akira would've allowed them to get after that.

>That's an interesting theory. Well, I looked up Buddhism via the interwebz and the Buddhist belief in death and rebirth seems to be what Dragonball conforms to.
Yea Dragonball is a mix-and-match and various stories and mythologies. It's like Journey to the West meets Superman meets Buddhism meets Star Wars meets Terminator. There's probably a bunch of other references in there too.

By the way I think the next match against Gast and King Piccolo will go like this...
King Piccolo: I'm an evil Na-
Gast: You talk too much let me read your mind reads his mind, finds out he's evil, and kills him
2012-01-23 09:57:51

lololollolol

@Dark Buster

I thought Id point out that the Cell we know best comes from Trunks timeline... So for all we know the same cell comes into that timeline as well, thus he has freeza cells.... Just thought Id point that out.
2012-01-23 10:25:50

Syrias

@Scar-faced Bandit

well.. maybe i overdid it a bit with the deleting on the previous page... in any case i only did it to discourage further discussion on GT in the comments :D
feel free to invite other commenters to some sort of message board or something to discuss such topics there.

and dont cut back your comments here.. no need to do that.. just keep the rule breaking to a minimum.

as a general idea, i dont mind a link, parody image(s) or anything like that. it just has to be part of a larger post.
and the post has to be at least vaguely on topic of the current page ideally...

if all mods would go all hardcore about rule #6, we could basically delete every comment ever on the site and then call it a day... because nearly everything pertaining to db/z/gt already has been discussed thousands of times.

keep having fun, thats an order!

EDIT: also, look at the current page in the arabic section! :D
2012-01-23 10:38:56

Captain Buggy The Clown

I still wonder if guru is apart of this fusion as well?
2012-01-23 11:27:48

Kalkarot-El

@DarkBuster
>The question is: if gast killed frieza, then frieza's cells never made it into Cell. Cell, therefore, does not have the ability to breathe in space. Cell, in this universe, would therefore be earthbound.
I hadn't considered that, but there are space ships & ki shields.

@Strife
>What do Namekian's even do when they aren't getting killed? They don't have very much technology, they don't have schools, they don't hunt, all they drink is water, which is easy to get. They seem like they stop moving completely between scenes because they have nothing better to do.
Namekians apparently plant stuff, guard the Dragon Balls, & guard Guru. Children learn ki control & possibly other stuff. Namekians can create space ships, so I think they could make Games, & possibly even telekinetic or telepathic Games. Adults may challenge each other to sport combat. Namek seems boring but peaceful.

@Scar-faced Bandit
>I wish I had someone to talk with on my side of the Multiverse!
There was that one unofficial site.
2012-01-23 14:21:57

Some Random Guy

The art on krillin and gohan isnt that bad but bulma always seems to look retarded
2012-01-23 14:43:05

Gwahh!?!?!?

@Y.O.U.R.

>gast reading bulma's mind: wow, so much empty space... Wait , what's that? OH MY GOD SO MUCH POOORN!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS SHE DOING TO THAT GOAT?! NO WATI WAIT THAT DOES NOT BELONG THERE, THAT DOES NOT BELONG THEEEEERE!!!!!

How does he know what goes where? He doesn't have a dangalang, remember. xD
2012-01-23 14:55:37

Rockmanmegax

Gast is gonna find out Vegeta didnt kill anyone on Earth but Nappa. Krillin is a liar!
2012-01-23 15:20:29

Gast

> Namekians apparently plant stuff, guard the Dragon Balls, & guard Guru. Children learn ki control & possibly other stuff. Namekians can create space ships, so I think they could make Games, & possibly even telekinetic or telepathic Games. Adults may challenge each other to sport combat. Namek seems boring but peaceful.

Yes yes! It all makes sense now. They don't eat, so what do they plant? Mines! They're playing minesweeper in each other's garden to pass the time.
2012-01-23 16:51:09

Super Kami Guru

@DarkBuster
>ok, so... Gast has already killed frieza, yes? Gast is also acclaimed to have killed Cell and Buu.The question is: if gast killed frieza, then frieza's cells never made it into Cell. Cell, therefore, does not have the ability to breathe in space. Cell, in this universe, would therefore be earthbound.

Frieza seems to be a crucially important component of Cell's genetic structure. If Cell does in fact exist in this universe, it will be vastly different, and significantly weaker.

However! We are forgetting King Cold and Cooler! I imagine that they would follow Gast to Earth after hearing of Frieza's death, and Cell will be made using Cooler's cells in place of Frieza's, perhaps resulting in an even more powerful Cell in Gast's universe?
2012-01-23 16:53:23

ThisDude

Why does everyone think that he has already fused with all of the nameks?
2012-01-23 17:36:22

siksteen

@ThisDude
>Why does everyone think that he has already fused with all of the nameks?
He said in the last page that people just kept coming. At this point he probably already killed Frieza.
2012-01-23 18:24:24

Roketto



Okay, good transition page; we see that this Namek doesn't like to waste time with puny Earthlings, so he's gonna mind-meld with them for maximum brainwashing efficiency. ;^)

@ Y.O.U.R.:
>I assume it's only an addition to their body not physically changing it.
>Why? It does change your body. you can't be an immortal if your body is the same as it was before. Then you wouldn't be immortal. As a matter of fact, making you younger seems much easier then giving immortality which is a much more specific and complex thing that simply giving youth again.

Practical Immortality just means that your body doesn't wear down. On a cellular level & smaller, this means that the Dragon just gives you stronger telomeres (SP?) on the ends of your DNA. It could plausibly be done, even on beings physically stronger than the dragon.

>then blond hair is also magical?

My theory on this (not my idea, but I forgot who suggested it) is that the blonde hair is a result of the characteristic golden SSJ aura permeating the body, & "lighting" the strands of hair from within. Human hair by itself is pretty fickle, color-wise, so it would make sense that Saiyans have even stranger things going on with their hair.

@ hife:

Time limits are for people with an actual life. ;^P I just tend to lose my whole weekend on TVTropes.

2012-01-23 18:45:44

Y.O.U.R.

>How does he know what goes where? He doesn't have a dangalang, remember. xD
Hehe, and they say I tend to overthink things ^^
you know it's too bad he doesn't have Piccolo inside him, then he would be the dangalang king ^^

@Roketto
I believe the blond ssj hair came simply from the fact that all normal saiyans have pitch black hair, so a super saiyan, a special one would have a special hair too, and what could be more special then the exact opposite of the regular one? ^^

>Dragon just gives you stronger telomeres (SP?) on the ends of your DNA.
I believe that is indeed changing their bodies ^^

@hife
>Cool ;) and here they say television will make you dumb^^ I wish, I'd learned more languages when I still had more time.
That depends on what you watch and what kind of person you are ^^ Back when I was a kid there were awesome cartoons and stuff on german tv ^^ And I'm a language-nerd anyway.
As opposed to german, I kinda learned english through music and mainly the internet. Worth more than any school I believe.
2012-01-23 19:30:45

bardock45

busqued dragonballrd.jimdo.com please
2012-01-23 19:41:59

Syrias

@Y.O.U.R.

where are you from, anyway? i mean, okay, youre obviously from the internet, as we all tend to be ;). but in the dreaded real life? where do you come from?
also, nearly all "awesome" cartoons on the german tv stations either came or still come (for the few good shows still on air) from other countries and might even be redubs of their dubs and edits of shows from even different countries.

@page

i really hope we get to see EVERY bad guy from DBZ shitting their pants (metaphoricallly) when confronted with Gast. IMO his power should be so god damn overwhelming that even the guys that cant feel it (for lack of trying, mind you) DO feel it.

also we really need to see how frieza is killed. the namekian saving his own planet would be awesome to see.
2012-01-23 19:48:23

Y.O.U.R.

@Syrias
>where are you from, anyway?
The space between spaces ^^
Just kidding, I'm from Hungary, or as we call it, "Magyarország". ^^
>nearly all "awesome" cartoons in the german tv station either came or still comes (for the few good shows still on air) from other countries and might even be redubs of their dubs and edits of shows from even different countries.
I know, but I watched them on german television. Didn't really had a chance to watch them elsewhere, and besides , for most of them, I prefered the german dub anyway.

Now, where are YOU from? :D

@Scar-faced Bandit
>I wish I had someone to talk with on my side of the Multiverse!
That... kinda sounded EPIC... ^^
2012-01-23 19:52:45

Syrias

@Y.O.U.R.

well, quite obviously, im from germany. i mean.... look at the signs. im a mod. i abuse my power and over do it all in the name of justice, but in reality to boost my own ego. ;-)


also, Scar-faced Bandit REALLY needs to look at the current arabic pages comment section, right Y.O.U.R.? *nudge nudge wink wink*
2012-01-23 19:56:02

Docter Killjoy

german dubs always sound so forced and most of the time badly synced :P

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2012-01-23 20:06:55

Y.O.U.R.

>well, quite obviously, im from germany. i mean.... look at the signs. im a mod. i abuse my power and over do it all in the name of justice, but in reality to boost my own ego. ;-)
Ahahah, now that you mention it, hätte ich mir denken können XD LOL just kidding.

>german dubs always sound so forced and most of the time badly synced :P .
I can fully understand german and I never thought so to be honest ;o)
I find german dubs to sound much more natural then english ones most of the time, especially for cartoons/anime
Though their are real gems in every language I believe :D
Though the most epic speaking voice of all time comes from hungary , BOOYAH!!!! :P
2012-01-23 20:32:17

Optilux

Here in Luxemburg, we get german and french chanels. Most of the time, german dubs are way better than the french ones. I don't know why, but the french never seem to choose the right voice. Too bad, cause I love french...
2012-01-23 20:45:17

Gosuke

@hife
Well glad "I" thought of it!

@SSJ Yellow Hair,
Obviously its just a yellow Kaioken, jk!

Honestly i think it is a physical representation that the aura changes when the form is tapped into as a saiyan.

This page is kinda sweet now with mind reading. Course vegeta is gonna get screwed without goku to convince the namek not to kill him.

@GT
its GT

2012-01-23 21:03:25

hife

>That depends on what you watch and what kind of person you are ^^ Back when I was a kid there were awesome cartoons and stuff on german tv ^^ And I'm a language-nerd anyway.

I'm sure that comes in handy now and then.^^

>As opposed to german, I kinda learned english through music and mainly the internet. Worth more than any school I believe.

I also think, I learned English mostly from the internet, but I don't think that'd have been possible for me without some basics from school.

>Though the most epic speaking voice of all time comes from hungary , BOOYAH!!!! :P

I've got to admit, I don't even know how Hungarian sounds. I'll look up some Hungarian stuff on Youtube now. Any recomendations?

@Docter Killjoy:

>german dubs always sound so forced and most of the time badly synced :P

I don't think you can say that about German dubs in general. There certainly are some horrible German dubs, but I also often prefer the German dub over the English one and not just for German being my first language.

@Syrias:

What kind of mod are you? (Wow, hope that doesn't seem insulting, that's not intended.) Do you have the right to meddle with translations? The current page's German version has some horrible wording...

@Gosuke:

>Well glad "I" thought of it!

Yes, oh my saviour.


Just noticed: There's a new mini comic.
2012-01-23 21:18:52

Scar-faced Bandit

@Syrias
>if all mods would go all hardcore about rule #6, we could basically delete every comment ever on the site and then call it a day... because nearly everything pertaining to db/z/gt already has been discussed thousands of times.
True true I guess they argue to pass the time. I think I've said all the ideas and theories I can think of. I'll all out of them now D=!

>well, quite obviously, im from germany. i mean.... look at the signs. im a mod. i abuse my power and over do it all in the name of justice, but in reality to boost my own ego. ;-)
I see so when you login:
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When I login it's a little different:
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>EDIT: also, look at the current page in the arabic section! :D
Dreams do come true!
2012-01-23 21:31:55

Syrias

@hife
unfortunatly im a mod of the "torment the users with deleting their carefully crafted posts" type of mod. i cant edit translations, sadly.
youre right on the german sections translation being somewhat wrong in its wording though :D
2012-01-23 21:37:35

Super Z

So if Gast does kill Vegeta trunks either blimp out of the future of that universe see as how Yamcha is dead.
2.Also this means Goku dies of the heart dieases or dies fighting Cooler or Cold.
3. Most likely Krillin and Gohan will die by the hands of the androids or cell. May be just Cell.
4. Gast being stronger will kill Cell while he is imerfect as he will be not overpowered like kami fused piccolo.
5. Gast by the time of Buu saga is the new guardian meaning Supreme Kai of that universe visits Gast on the Kami's Tower or finds him in the wilderness like Piccolo would have been doing there. He meet supreme kai and goes to kill Babidi and Debura.
6. Ends up with his energy reviving buu during a fight with either Dabura or someone else who receives the Majin mark maybe Cooler or Cold just saying.
7. Fights fat buu and uses a technique capable of destroying without a chance of revival.
2012-01-23 23:09:47

Y.O.U.R.

>I also think, I learned English mostly from the internet, but I don't think that'd have been possible for me without some basics from school.
for me it was, I believe, at least for german. When I went to primary school , I already spoke it fluently. My german was by far better then my english is now. As a matter of fact, I've been visiting german forums for years and nobody ever realised that it wasn't my native language. ^^ Even when I told them that I was in hungary , they said "oh, your on vacation there? " XD
Ah, yes, once I fell in love with a german woman. ^^

>I'm sure that comes in handy now and then.^^
Well, yes and no. It does have it's bad effect too, surprisingly.

>I've got to admit, I don't even know how Hungarian sounds.
You're not surprising me, I think nobody outside of hungary does XD

>. I'll look up some Hungarian stuff on Youtube now. Any recomendations?
I'd recommend an old poem a commercial and a legend with some of my favorite hungarian voice actors ^^
I gotta warn you though , they might kill your subwoofer XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH6uukdmbq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIpz0aHN1ig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uNa8PsO5Z0
The first voice was amongst others the hungarian voice of Mufasa (LionKing) and Draco (DragonHeart). You'll see why XD

>I don't think you can say that about German dubs in general.
Hell no, I think germany is very good in dubbing cartoons/anime especially. I don't think they sound forced, on the contrary!

>The current page's German version has some horrible wording...
"Lasst, dass ich eure gedanken lesen" LOL XD This translation isn't harmless ^^
2012-01-23 22:12:59

jcknight

Gast wont kill them if he can read their minds vegeta on the other hand is toast if he tries piccolo and nail combined and they we fighting freeza in second form if gast is every Namekian on the planet i doubt he will have a problem with freiza lol
2012-01-23 22:19:58

UrielCain

@jcknight

All we saw was Freeza's ship, and it appeared to have landed, so we don't know if Freeza's alive or not as of right now in the story.
2012-01-23 23:25:56

Devil Emperor Z

@ Y.O.U.R and Roketto
>I assume it's only an addition to their body not physically changing it.
>Why? It does change your body. you can't be an immortal if your body is the same as it was before. Then you wouldn't be immortal. As a matter of fact, making you younger seems much easier then giving immortality which is a much more specific and complex thing that simply giving youth again.

>Practical Immortality just means that your body doesn't wear down. On a cellular level & smaller, this means that the Dragon just gives you stronger telomeres (SP?) on the ends of your DNA. It could plausibly be done, even on beings physically stronger than the dragon.

Their are many types of immortality, one is the type Roketto talks about but that isent true immortality because if your body is completly vapirsed on the celluler level you will die. True immortality is somthing almost unatanable for most being because it means that nomatter what happens to you even if your consciousness is destroied you can simply recreat a new body. Only beings such as the outer gods in the cthulhu mythos like Shub-niggurath, Azathoth and Yog-sothoth have this type of immortality. The type of immortality you get could be linked to the power of the dragon that grants the wish and you also have to facter in that immortality is mystical in origin which opens up more possibilities.
2012-01-24 00:45:46

Scar-faced Bandit

Remember how some people were saying we're 500 pages into the story and have no plot? I wondered what the 500th page of the original manga was to see where we stand. Each chapters varied from 12-16 pages but to make easier let's each was about 15. 500/15=33.33. The 33th chapter in Dragonball was right at the beginning of the first Budokai! Up to that point the only plot we had was Goku training with Master Roshi and searching for the Dragonballs with his new friends.

The entire manga was really long and took 11 years to release in Japan! There were 520 chapters X about 15 pages each chapters would give us 7800 pages in total! So don't count Mutliverse out just yet because we still have a long way to go my friends.
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Sorry didn't know what kind of pic to show here...

EDIT: Oh yea forgot about the specials. So the main story is actually way less than 500 pages so far.
2012-01-24 00:51:30

Nesh

Ok, I'm a little confused here. The Z fighters only went to Namek because King Kai confirmed there were about a hundred Namekians there. That would be more or less a month or so before the events of this chapter. We know Frieza canonically arrived shortly before the Earthlings and began gathering Dragonballs by slaughtering whole villages he found via scouters. If every Namekian fused it would have to have been recently and if we're talking a power strong enough to defeat Frieza someone would've sensed it and the fact that it was the only power on the planet and cut teir losses. Vegeta Krillin, King Kai, someone. This is a massive plothole.
2012-01-24 00:52:36

giver123

I always wondered just how strong Gohan really was at this point in the saga? If you think about it, he recieved 2 zenkais from his battle with Nappa and Vegeta, and his max was said to be 2800 before his first zenkai, so his max at this point must be around 8,000-10,000. He was fighting on par with Vegeta for a liitle bit on earth so just how strong is he?
2012-01-24 02:01:19

Syrias

i just realised my gravatar seems to be broken.... hm...
2012-01-24 02:09:26

JustinBieber

they gonna get raped
2012-01-24 02:47:48

Ledgic

This special goes to page 522 so we might get to see how Gast came to be (if he hasn't been fused into yet)
2012-01-24 02:52:06

Ledgic

>Remember how some people were saying we're 500 pages into the story and have no plot? I wondered what the 500th page of the original manga was to see where we stand. Each chapters varied from 12-16 pages but to make easier let's each was about 15. 500/15=33.33. The 33th chapter in Dragonball was right at the beginning of the first Budokai! Up to that point the only plot we had was Goku training with Master Roshi and searching for the Dragonballs with his new friends.

And up to here we still haven't had a plot... Dragon Ball had 1 before page 500...
2012-01-24 02:54:30

Ledgic

>The entire manga was really long and took 11 years to release in Japan! There were 520 chapters X about 15 pages each chapters would give us 7800 pages in total! So don't count Mutliverse out just yet because we still have a long way to go my friends.

But I bet Salagir and Gogeta Jr will quit long before then.
2012-01-24 03:37:04

Scar-faced Bandit

@Ledgic
>This special goes to page 522 so we might get to see how Gast came to be (if he hasn't been fused into yet)
How'd you know that?

>And up to here we still haven't had a plot... Dragon Ball had 1 before page 500...
The only plot they had up to that point was Goku and his friends looking for the Dragonballs. What kind of plot were you hoping for in Multiverse?

>But I bet Salagir and Gogeta Jr will quit long before then.
If you don't care if it finishes why read it? Besides it's the 2nd most popular Dragonball fan manga after AF so I doubt they would quit half way.

By the way gold + brown doesn't equal crimson or pink. You get crimson by mixing red with a little blue or black and get pink by mixing red + white. Gold/yellow + brown would give you a golden or light brown color...
2012-01-24 05:04:30

Kamehamehadoken

@Scar-faced Bandit
>The only plot they had up to that point was Goku and his friends looking for the Dragonballs. What kind of plot were you hoping for in Multiverse?
Pretty much anything, really. Judging by the size of Salagir's ego, this should be friggin' Dostoyevsky.
2012-01-24 07:05:18

BlazeBird

Heh, Gast has fangs. Cool. Did other nameks have those?
2012-01-24 16:56:49

Child0fTheMind

So I was surfing YouTube the other day and came upon a video about a "Majin Lamp"... Clicking on it linked me to numerous videos of this "Majin Lamp" character... Doing a quick google search brought linked me to numerous deviantart creations of this same "Majin Lamp"... So my question is... Who the heck is Majin Lamp? Where did she come from? Did some fan just make her up and hundreds of people just went with it and made fan art?
2012-01-24 07:30:12

Gosuke

@hife

I am the hope of the universe.

Well 500 pages is like 4 volumes or so but you have a point in having hardly a big plot. We know it isn't started yet just a build up on what is yet to come. We know the name but not face of the main enemy. We assume he is a magic user. Anyways judging this before it's over is wrong
2012-01-24 08:08:58

TheMajesticSpaceDuck

WASSUP PEOPLE??!?! its been about a month or less (i dont know XO )
anyway wow lots happen GAST WILL KILL US ALL!!!!
2012-01-24 16:32:38

HUGE Green

Who else thinks,what Ghast is talking about Broly but not about Vegetto in page 267( http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-267.html )
2012-01-24 17:01:56

BungaCadabra23

>Y.O.U.R
Just to make you curious, my next work for Deviantart , I think will please you a LOT x)
2012-01-24 17:19:30

konata5

i dont see why people make a deal with bad translating/Spelling i say if ya get they say its good or is talking about bad translating one of those many Rule things i dont know yet. Alsohope everybody had a Happy Holiday/Happy New Year and so on
2012-01-24 18:14:50

Y.O.U.R.

>The only plot they had up to that point was Goku and his friends looking for the Dragonballs.
The finished the pilaf saga, the roshi traning arc and got to the budokai. Kinda ^^
And that was including the establisment of the major players.

@BungaCadabra23: make sure to send me the link when it's done ^^
2012-01-24 18:25:09

Geno

@ ThisDude-
>Why does everyone think that he has already fused with all of the nameks?
Um... because he's Gast? That's like asking why everyone thinks Goku and Vegeta fused when they see Vegetto.

@ BlazeBird-
>Heh, Gast has fangs. Cool. Did other nameks have those?
Yes? All of them have teeth like that.

@ konata5-
>i dont see why people make a deal with bad translating/Spelling i say if ya get they say its good or is talking about bad translating one of those many Rule things i dont know yet.
Being able to understand what's being said doesn't mean it's good. Some complaints about the English are okay as that's critique. What's not understandable is when people fly off the handle about how they can't understand it when it's actually understandable.
>Alsohope everybody had a Happy Holiday/Happy New Year and so on
Happy everything.
2012-01-24 18:54:59

Docter Killjoy

@Y.O.U.R.
>I can fully understand german and I never thought so to be honest ;o)

i can read and understand (hear) german good enough (got family living in germany. some aunts and uncles) speaking/writing it myself i suck horrible.
i'm average at german but funny enough i get asked the most at my work to translate german text for my co-workers.

cartoons yeah their not that bad in german, movies i do find them badly dubbed most of the time.
back when i was a kid most if not all cartoons where in english here, then when i was a teen it was a mix of english and dutch. now a days the few remaining cartoons that air here in holland are all in dutch dub (same for those lame ass live action shows from america...all with a horrible dutch dub)
to make it worse they use the same terrible voice actors for nearly every cartoon/show.

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2012-01-24 19:20:04

Child0fTheMind

>@Geno
>Um... because he's Gast? That's like asking why everyone thinks Goku and Vegeta fused when they see Vegetto.

you're forgetting that Namekian fusion isn't suppose to change ones appearance or name... Although I would like to think that Gast didn't exist until the Namekian race all fused, as we've seen with Piccolo (and described by Piccolo); during Namekian fusion, one of the fusing individuals will keep their body and individuality (their mind) but will gain the others power, strength, abilities, knowledge, wisdom, and pretty much everything else.

It would be more similar to think of Piccolo instead of Vegetto. If there was a scene of Piccolo, why would everyone think it's automatically post-fusion Piccolo instead of pre-fusion Piccolo? Other than the common knowledge of the DBZ timeline...

So... Whoever Gast is, he was still Gast before the fusion... Just weaker and dumber...
2012-01-24 22:34:30

Gosuke

@Your
Well compared to the King Piccolo Arc, Pilaf was a side story. Course roshi's training was kinda important so that is also a point.

@Geno
>Happy everything.

Happy Birthday to you than!

Edit:

@Y.O.U.R.
>The two aren't much comparable, because back when it started, DB was more of a comedy, while the Daimao saga was far more serious and pretty much the foundation for everything Z.

Well that may be true but pretty much all the arcs after Pilaf are longer with more eventful things happening.

@ChildofTheMind

Well maybe a few hundred nameks can change the appearance of being in a single body. We only see technically one fusion and one half combining with its other half. So we know a minimal amount about the fusion. Also Salagir possibly let his mind wander dealing with a few hundred nameks and their fusion.

Also Majin Lamp is a fanmade character from a youtube video i believe. dont know where she started but she is not an official character in any sense

Nvm Docter Killjoy's link looks correct.
2012-01-24 19:14:32

Y.O.U.R.

>Well compared to the King Piccolo Arc, Pilaf was a side story.
The two aren't much comparable, because back when it started, DB was more of a comedy, while the Daimao saga was far more serious and pretty much the foundation for everything Z.
2012-01-24 19:37:06

Child0fTheMind

>@Y.O.U.R
>The two aren't much comparable, because back when it started, DB was more of a comedy, while the Daimao saga was far more serious and pretty much the foundation for everything Z.

Yeah, to compare those sagas would be like to compare DB to Z... They aren't really comparable until the very end of DB and the very beginning of Z (in an anime sense). Anything other than those are wildly different. And if it wasn't for the Pilaf Saga, we would've never know who most of the cast members were, let alone Pilaf himself when he unleashed Piccolo...

On another note. Can anyone explain to me who Majin Lamp is? She appears to have a large following online for a fan creation... Is she possibly a character from DBO (Online) or DBH (Heroes)?
2012-01-24 19:48:16

Docter Killjoy

i think she is just a popular fan character.

http://epe-tohri.deviantart.co...n-OC-Tournament-Lamp-138639310

http://epe-tohri.deviantart.com/gallery/8414379
2012-01-24 20:30:26

BungaCadabra23

>Y.O.U.R.
I hope to make you fan of my work after this one :p
2012-01-24 20:46:30

Saiyanblood

I think that maybe the nameks that fused together also fused with Guru. I think Guru's maybe why this namek is so large as he was a gigantic namek. When Guru was younger he would of probably been the same size of Gast. Gast is almost a direct fusion of Guru and nail. Gast Resembles nail quite a lot but has the sheer size of guru. I would also have thought Guru to be a very powerful namek stronger than nail even when in prime. If the nameless namek was so strong i can't see why Guru wasn't in the millions when younger.
2012-01-24 20:58:28

npberryhill

Someone may have already posted about this. If the Namekians used Guru's body as a base would fusing restore his youth? It would explain his height. I know Kami stated when he fused with piccolo, that they would use piccolo's body because it was younger and stronger. I just find it a more likely scenario that fusing could restore the youth of an already extremely huge Namekian, rather than create an entirely new body.

Also, Guru or the "Grand Elder" was never given a name to my knowledge. Maybe he was Gast all along, before he became Super Kami Guru that is...
2012-01-24 21:02:56

giver123

So how strong was Gohan at this point is the series? Could he beat Nappa at full power?
2012-01-24 21:21:06

Y.O.U.R.

>I hope to make you fan of my work after this one :p
Hehe, after that awesome Gast image of yours, you're already halfway there ;o) But now I'm really curious.

>If the Namekians used Guru's body as a base would fusing restore his youth? It would explain his height.
That was my idea too. ^^ If he has a young Guru inside him, that would boost his power even further, since I always assumed that in his prime, Guru was VERY powerfull. Seeing how in his time, nameks seemed to be much larger and stronger and whatnot. That would explain why he said that the Nameless Namek was "one of the strongest" of his tribe.
And if I recall correctly, even Frieza stated that Guru was nothing like the other nameks.
Now that I think of it, Guru's youth would make a great Dragonball backstory. ^^
2012-01-24 21:52:22

npberryhill

If this theory pans out, this will be the second time that Guru has been the last surviving member of his species (Great climate shift of Namek being the first time). I assume having been through this before, he would be more comfortable with the idea of starting over. This is all theoretical though and may be completely off.
2012-01-24 22:07:51

BungaCadabra23

>Y.O.U.R.
I can only tell you that this work will have ALL 5 forms of King Cold x)
2012-01-24 22:33:12

Ohaider

Some one mentioned that if vegeta dies, trunks will no longer exist to give goku the medicine for the heart disease. Then another said that bulma can have another son named trunks. BUT: Think of this, if bulma has a son that doesn't belong to vegeta, he will not be part saiyan, and will no longer possess alot of power. With this, he wont stand very long as with the androids, so they will finish him EASILY even before he gives goku the medicine.
2012-01-24 22:44:31

ROK

What if Bulma goes back in the time machine herself?
2012-01-24 22:55:56

The Jay

>Now that I think of it, Guru's youth would make a great Dragonball backstory.

I have always thought that and I am just waiting for the day someone finally decides to do something with Guru, Namekians are great characters and they deserve more, recognition, I think the word is.

>BUT: Think of this, if bulma has a son that doesn't belong to vegeta, he will not be part saiyan, and will no longer possess alot of power.

Well no shit. Bulma could easily go back herself and give Goku the medicine, I don't understand why people think that a 'Trunks' is needed to give the medicine.
2012-01-24 23:10:40

Ohaider

She would not want to go to the past, she is way to weak and will be in danger, tis why she would send Trunks who would atleast defend himself.
2012-01-25 04:22:42

MikeysBoner(certified god)

@YOUR
>Now that I think of it, Guru's youth would make a great Dragonball backstory. ^^
I agree!
2012-01-25 00:31:24

Giver123

In danger of what? All she has to do is hand Goku the medicine after he defeats Freiza. I think Trunks in this timeline would be a lot more sheltered due to him not being half sayian, and Gohan would be more hesitant to take him under his wing.
2012-01-25 00:53:29

Child0fTheMind

>@Npberryhill
>If the Namekians used Guru's body as a base would fusing restore his youth? It would explain his height. I know Kami stated when he fused with piccolo, that they would use piccolo's body because it was younger and stronger. I just find it a more likely scenario that fusing could restore the youth of an already extremely huge Namekian, rather than create an entirely new body.
I think the question then would be how he got his youth back... If it was by the fusion, then shouldn't Piccolo have grown older in appearance with his Kami fusion? Perhaps it's due to the amount of young Namekians in the fusion compared to old Namekians... Or perhaps the Namekians, fearing Frieza, used Shenrom to restore Guru's youth (give him immortality? And immediately fuse them all together?)... It would make sense for Guru to be the dominant body/mind, since he is the progenitor of the entire race (of those on Namek). The whole race is essentially "Guru Jr's"... Although it wouldn't explain how the dragonballs are gone (if they truly are), unless after the fusion he destroyed them himself.

>@Y.O.U.R.
>Now that I think of it, Guru's youth would make a great Dragonball backstory.
I think there is a lot of potential in the whole pre-cataclysm Namekian race and history. Exact what was the cataclysm? How powerful were they really? What kind of society were they? Etc. It's always been a mystery of the series I find intriguing.

>@Ohaider
>She would not want to go to the past, she is way to weak and will be in danger, tis why she would send Trunks who would atleast defend himself.
She's weak sure, but who says she has to fight? We know that even without Trunks, Goku would have shown up and defeated Frieza and Cold. The fight with the androids wouldn't have really been any different... Goku would get his heart disease, bulma would give him the cure, Vegeta and the rest would go after 19 & 20, destroy 19, 20 would activate 17 & 18, 20 would be destroyed, 17 & 18 would've defeated the group and take off... Really other than taking on Frieza & Cold, Trunks didn't do anything that Bulma couldn't have done...
2012-01-25 00:53:20

Geno

@ Child0fTheMind-
>you're forgetting that Namekian fusion isn't suppose to change ones appearance or name.
No, I'm not forgetting that (Well, in truth I wasn't thinking about that, but I don't think it matters here). I know the appearance doesn't change when they fuse, but they do have to decide on what name they want to use. But yeah, this is a powerful namekian and his name is established as Gast, which means slug king or some such. That name wouldn't make sense if he wasn't the character we know him to be.
>Although I would like to think that Gast didn't exist until the Namekian race all fused, as we've seen with Piccolo (and described by Piccolo); during Namekian fusion, one of the fusing individuals will keep their body and individuality (their mind) but will gain the others power, strength, abilities, knowledge, wisdom, and pretty much everything else.
We also saw Piccolo gain some personality traits, of course that was mostly when he fused with Kami who was originally part of himself. Still, I do think that "Gast" didn't exist before the world namekian fusion because with a name like that, it was most likely picked because they all joined together and wanted a name that represented that idea in some form.
>So... Whoever Gast is, he was still Gast before the fusion... Just weaker and dumber...
As I said, not necessarily. Anyway, in case my argument of "because it's Gast" is too weak, there's also the huge power and what he said about a second attack to consider. However, I think him just being Gast is enough (Edit: Well, not anymore. See my response to npberryhill).

@ Gosuke-
>Happy Birthday to you than!
Well thank you, and happy anniversary to you as well! =P

@ npberryhill-
>Someone may have already posted about this. If the Namekians used Guru's body as a base would fusing restore his youth?
I don't think simply fusing would do that, unless they used another namekian's body with Guru's personality... You've stirred an interesting thought in my head, though. This has probably also been suggested (actually, I'd be surprised if it hasn't been), but since they can't find the dragon balls, the namekians might have used the wishes to fuse themselves together. If we go with the idea of it being a young Guru, it could be one wish to restore whatever namekians have died (if any) one to fuse them all together, and one to make Guru young again. But really, the wish to fuse them all would be the only one I'm standing behind.
>Also, Guru or the "Grand Elder" was never given a name to my knowledge. Maybe he was Gast all along, before he became Super Kami Guru that is...
Well, you shot my argument of "Because it's Gast" out of the water. Well done.

@ giver123-
>So how strong was Gohan at this point is the series? Could he beat Nappa at full power?
No. This is a month after they fought Nappa and Vegeta on earth. I really doubt that Gohan could take on Nappa at this point, even with the double zenkai he would have gotten from getting beaten up twice (he seemed around Krillin's power). After he gets the power-up from Guru, then he'd be able to take on Nappa by himself.

@ Ohaider-
>Then another said that bulma can have another son named trunks. BUT: Think of this, if bulma has a son that doesn't belong to vegeta, he will not be part saiyan, and will no longer possess alot of power. With this, he wont stand very long as with the androids, so they will finish him EASILY even before he gives goku the medicine.
I also mentioned (as others have) that in this story line Goku would probably not get the heart virus in the first place, so what's it matter?
2012-01-25 00:53:46

Saiyanblood

Yeah a story of young Guru would be a real good idea. I am almost sure that nail and guru fused together to face freeza.
2012-01-25 08:03:18

Child0fTheMind

>@Geno
>his name is established as Gast, which means slug king or some such.
Actually, with his size and his name meaning "Slug King", I'll be surprised if he ISN'T a young Guru...

>@Saiyanblood
>Yeah a story of young Guru would be a real good idea. I am almost sure that nail and guru fused together to face freeza.
Are you referring to how it happened in U18 (official universe) or is that you assumption for this universe? Because if it's the former... Nail and Guru never fused...
2012-01-25 01:08:00

Gosuke

@Grand namek Guru as Gast originally discussion

Well if Guru has been Guru for so long, does he remember his name since Daimou, and Kami never remembered their name? guess Guru was old enough to start the Namekians all over again so he might not have forgotten his name.

@giver123
>So how strong was Gohan at this point in the series? Could he beat Nappa at full power?

I don't know. How strong can you get having Krillen as your only training partner? I think he could have only gotten a few bits stronger. Maybe weaker considering who his training partner was in the months he trained.

2012-01-25 01:50:27

siksteen

@Gosuke
>I don't know. How strong can you get having Krillen as your only training partner?
You forget about his possible zenkai on Earth... But that still can't answer the question though...
2012-01-25 01:56:05

Scar-faced Bandit

@YOUR
>The finished the pilaf saga, the roshi traning arc and got to the budokai. Kinda ^^
>And that was including the establisment of the major players.
True here's a breakdown what I noticed
1. Villain
Dragonball: No real villain as of page 500 except Pilaf and joke villains.
Multiverse: We got insane Broly who was sent home, Zen Buu but more of an anti-hero now, and mischievous Frieza trying to steal the Dragonballs so no real main villain yet but maybe XXI?

2. Adventure
Dragonball: Had an adventure gathering the Dragonballs.
Multiverse: The DBs have already been gathered and U0 is dead so can't really explore it. We got the specials but those are more like "long" flashbacks.

2. Main Characters:
Dragonball: Goku and the friends he met before starting his training with Master Roshi.
Multiverse: U18, U16, and Zen Buu seem to get the most limelight. U7, U13, U9, U3, and U8 are also seen often. The rest probably won't make it past round 2.

The first serious villain that Goku had trouble with was Mercenary Tao. He showed up on chapter 85 so x15 that would be about 1200 pages. Mutliverse could have 2000 to 10,000 pages depending on what kind of story Salagir has planned. Something might interrupt the tournament and we have an epic showdown here in the stadium or the main villain steals the Vargas technology and the epic battle takes place across the Multiverse!
2012-01-25 02:01:39

Ayu Bara the Sayia-jin

Bulma,Krillen,and Gohan calm down he's gonna penarait your minds
2012-01-25 02:07:55

Ledgic

>By the way gold + brown doesn't equal crimson or pink. You get crimson by mixing red with a little blue or black and get pink by mixing red + white. Gold/yellow + brown would give you a golden or light brown color...

Whatever, I just read that somewhere lol
2012-01-25 02:56:59

giver123

He recieved two zenkais on earth and was putting up a decent fight with a weakend Vegeta.
2012-01-25 03:19:53

Yami

I agree that Goku won't get the virus from planet Yardrat, but the way Funimation's English dub put it, The Virus was already going around. Trunks says "it's a radical new virus, you'll start hearing about it soon." That indicates that either Goku started spreading it, or Goku caught it while it was spreading on earth and is a earth native virus. I think the only thing connecting Yardrat to the virus is the Game Dragonball Z Sagas; and I'm not sure if that's a very offical cannon either. Also if Goku is patient 0 and he dies, how did the vacine get made? and speaking of that; where is everyone getting the idea Bulma made the vacine? I keep coming across people saying that.
2012-01-25 04:20:02

Syrias

@Scar-faced Bandit
>Mutliverse could have 2000 to 10,000 pages depending on what kind of story Salagir has planned. Something might interrupt the tournament and we have an epic showdown here in the stadium or the main villain steals the Vargas technology and the epic battle takes place across the Multiverse!

first, let me say i dont know ANYTHING about what Salagir has planned for the future of DBM.

now, the idea of the main villian stealing ALL dragon balls and then the heroes of DBM going on a grand quest to get them back is awesome, imo.

lets see... lets go with XXI as the main baddy here.
who will be the Hero-Team of DBM? hehe. id LOVE it if the hero team was compromised of not only heroes but also villians.
the story could pretty much go like having the elder kaioshin, know what XXI is (a formerly multi dimensional incarnation of chaos fused into the evil sorcerer bibidi. bibidi never was killed by the kaioshins. he actually became what now is XXI. Chaotic forces controlled by an evil mind out for revenge on EVERYTHING. he was confined to a single universe (u5) by a kaioshin who oversaw the full multiverse(the Grand Overseer, if you will). the kaioshin died in the process, mafuba style, but XXI was seemingly banished to one single universe, so it was worth the sacrifice) and as such informing the still remaining heroes and villians that ALL existence will perish if they dont find a way to stop XXI in all universe it infests. Cue types like Frieza actually thinking about loved ones (a thought process of the cold father and sons could be "OH no, our empire! oh wait, My Queen/Mom!!!! we gotta stop that maniac!!!") as much as the typical heroes do. Cue some villians like buu not caring about the multiverse and Gohan u16 saying something about it being impossible to save the multiverse and then cue Vegetto flipping OUT completely and going " Im gonna save the Multiverse. if i have to, i will kill all of you to do it!"

so groups are formed to tackle the universes in which the infestation of chaos has already begun. and one group s actually tasked to go back in time and help the "Grand Overseer" in its task to banish XXI, since Elder Kaioshin (who was the only Kaioshin who ever talked to the Grand overseer, in each universe, remembers that the Grand Overseer wasnt alone when it dit seal XXI, strange and different beings helpped contain XXI during the banishment.
Vegetto is chosen to lead the group going back in time.......

and so on and so on.

could be really awesome, imo. but its not whats going to happen i guess.
2012-01-25 06:02:02

MikeysBoner(certified god)

In regards to Goku's heart virus

In DBM canon Goku acquired the heart virus on Earth. Salagir stated this on page 67 and gave an explanation as to why he thought so. So Yardrat had nothing to do with his virus in DBM. We done now?
2012-01-25 04:50:29

Gosuke

@siksteen
>You forget about his possible zenkai on Earth... But that still can't answer the question though...

Well i guess if they had endless amounts of senzu beans and krillen just kept shooting holes in gohans body left and right while gohan had his ki down, than that could have made Gohan exceptionally a lot stronger. But yes i did forget about the zenkai from vegeta, thank you for reminding me.

@ the whole DBM Story with possibilities.

I believe there could be a ton of things that could be fun with this. Making bad guys seem good like zen buu, and having a vegito with zen buu fight against XXI, or an adventure to find the Salagir Starred Dragon Balls or the universe is destroyed and the dragonballs are placed in different universes and everyone has to search every corner of every universe they were sent to. Than U19 fighters create a dragon radar for discovering what universes they are in. IT has SOOOOOO Much potential than just a tournament!
2012-01-25 05:18:57

konata5

did it ever explain where the heart virus came from i mean vegeta gohan and the others never got it even after the many years after the androids or did they make more cure and spread it around the earth?
2012-01-25 07:49:28

npberryhill

@ Geno
Your theory brings up another few questions I had. How long had frieza been on Namek when Gohan/Krillin/Bulma arrived? Also, in universe 7, Gast is fused at this point so (as you suggested using the dragon to fuse) how much time would they have after frieza arrived to gather all the balls and make the wish(es)? I can only assume frieza would immediately attack whatever village was closest to him. He would have their dragonball. Wishing to fuse would hence be out of the question, as they couldn't possibly win without doing so. Of course they may have been warned by Bardock, lol, or some other means of precognition, in which case time would not be a factor. What do you think?

On a seperate note, i just remembered Namekians have the ability to alter their size as piccolo did in db against goku (Slug did something similar). So Gast may simply like being a Green Golliath and choose to stay so. If that's the case then his height may have nothing to do with Guru being apart of his fusion.
2012-01-25 06:34:28

giver123

Gohans max from masenko was 2800 before he got the 2 zenkais I think if you factor those in and the training with krillen his max has gotta be anywhere from 6000-7000. I think Krillen and Gohan together could beat Nappa at this point they'd have to kill him before the breath blast though. I wonder If Nappa could beat the weakend Vegeta that fought Gohan hmmm.
2012-01-25 08:15:31

Child0fTheMind

>@Scar-Faced Bandit
>or the main villain steals the Vargas technology and the epic battle takes place across the Multiverse!

I've been saying this since before XXI was even named! Mainly because there are too many one-sided fights in round 2 & 3 and because it would let previous participants (who've lost but have potential, like U9 Yamcha) and non-participating spectators (like U16&18 Gohan, U9 Trunks, and U2 Chrono) to see more action and be more important to the plot. It would also allow more unique universes to be explored (like a Gokhan universe).
2012-01-25 11:13:17

code_orange

Vegeta doesnt neccessarily engage in battle once he arrives since Frieza and all the top men are dead. The opportunity to turn around forget the dragonball(which has proven he's willing to do when he was going to destroy them rather than have the Guyinu Force take them)and count his loses. But seeing how no one accompanied the super namek from universe 7, give reason that Vegeta dies and Goku eventually succumbs to the heart virus.
2012-01-25 14:36:25

Reginald

Well I think Gast ist going to kill Vegeta.
2012-01-25 16:20:52

Rafael

@Child0fTheMind

So DBM would be like The Search for Ray Palmer from DC comics.

[IMAGE]

It would be interesting if they travel through all the 20 universes or even other unknown universes searching for XXI.
2012-01-25 19:38:23

hife

@Y.O.U.R.:

Sorry for taking so long. I watched the videos right away (the first one twice, even), but didn't get around to write back.

>for me it was, I believe, at least for german. When I went to primary school , I already spoke it fluently. My german was by far better then my english is now. As a matter of fact, I've been visiting german forums for years and nobody ever realised that it wasn't my native language. ^^ Even when I told them that I was in hungary , they said "oh, your on vacation there? " XD
>Ah, yes, once I fell in love with a german woman. ^^

Well, they say, you learn a language easier, when you're still young, but I guess, you also have some kind of disposition.

>Well, yes and no. It does have it's bad effect too, surprisingly.

What would those be?^^"

>You're not surprising me, I think nobody outside of hungary does XD

Yes, I heard it has nothing in common with most other languages, much like Finnish, which it is somehow related to, but the common roots are so far in the past, that you don't even hear those. (Well I suspect you know more about this than me. I only heard some things from my father who went to both Hungary and Finnland businesswise.)

>I'd recommend an old poem a commercial and a legend with some of my favorite hungarian voice actors ^^
>I gotta warn you though , they might kill your subwoofer XD
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH6uukdmbq8
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIpz0aHN1ig
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uNa8PsO5Z0
>The first voice was amongst others the hungarian voice of Mufasa (LionKing) and Draco (DragonHeart). You'll see why XD

Interesting. It indeed sounds nothing like any language I'm familiar with.
Now there are two possible assumptions from those:
Either you really like this kind of voice or all Hungarian people have super epic voices.

>Hell no, I think germany is very good in dubbing cartoons/anime especially. I don't think they sound forced, on the contrary!

Overall I agree, but there are exceptions, I assure you. (But of course there's no language without those.)

>"Lasst, dass ich eure gedanken lesen" LOL XD This translation isn't harmless ^^


@BungaCadabra23:

>I can only tell you that this work will have ALL 5 forms of King Cold x)

F-ing spoilers!
2012-01-25 19:44:03

BungaCadabra23

>hife
LOL , I'm sorry , but make sure to see my work too :p
2012-01-26 07:15:47

Some_weirdGuy

@ the topic of why gast is big and looks the way he does:

Do remember that nemekians apparently have the ability to grow larger. (or was that only 'super namekians'? whatever the case: )
King piccolo was pretty huge, and piccolo jr turned into a giant and stretched his arms and stuff. Guru was also huge.

So, he might have simply grown himself a bit larger cause it was convenient (I know it's filler but i'm pretty sure piccolo did a similar thing in the garlic jr saga).
2012-01-28 04:57:44

Mystic Vegito

AWESOME!
2012-02-28 15:40:27

SaiyanElite

@Salagir, i hope you'll respond to this, why did you gave Gast this evil behavior? The Nameks are a friendly race. Piccolo and his father were the only exception.
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