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2014-12-07

Minicomic Mondays!



Until the end of the special chapter, we'll release a minicomic on monday instead of a page!

Happy reading.

Your comments about this page :

2011-07-08 20:01:08

chris

hmm strange guy
2011-07-08 20:01:53

ssj

The text is well terrible.
2011-07-08 20:01:54

Sara

New character as promised, ohh.
2011-07-08 20:55:42

Rague

The plot thickens.

Theories before this comment gets pasta-blasted beneath everyone's comments:

>- Dr. Raichi, Plan To Eradicate The Saiyans OVA.
>- Dr. Gero, a super-android 30 more years later eventually interacting with Tapion.
>- Dr. Myuu and Gero after the Fusion Dance.
>- The namek is either an evil Vegito of sorts, or Piccolo Daimao/Evil King Piccolo.
Most likely
>- Janemba, look at the eyes and muscle structure, and the ears.

Also, Roketto, how do you change the color of your messages to the not-boring shade of blue?
2011-07-08 20:04:25

jfufrf

XXI is him!! wonder who is it =O
2011-07-08 20:02:21

TonyTheTiger

Haha! WTF?! That's neato!
2011-07-08 20:02:30

çedilha

kinda disappointing
2011-07-08 20:03:03

Dr. Killjoy

hummmm the doctor from plan to destroy the saiyans.
and another mystery character with pointy ears, king piccolo perhaps?
2011-07-08 20:05:08

Nemesis Scorpion

OH GOD the suspense! and is that the guy from Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans? Dr Raichi methinks?

EDIT: I did not see that comment above me. it was posted while i was typing.
2011-07-08 20:08:08

Trunks's Daddy

Is that another namek?
2011-07-08 20:03:29

stouty22

No one cares tapion( or however you spell his name) and this is what rage ment by go nuts eh... well let the all the quacks out there start throwing out their ideas I guess. Btw who is the guy in panel 4? Ive seen him b4 I think.
2011-07-08 20:03:36

Your Chris

ok who the hell is the guy sitting?
2011-07-08 20:18:02

Rafael

Awesome page, spectacular. So, that shadow was indeed Dr.Raichi? And the other guy, a namek or a makaioshin? Universe 3 up to now doesn't make sense. Stop the mystery Salagir!!!
2011-07-08 20:04:00

SSJ2 Entei

Well it's alright, and we got a new character, SWEET!
2011-07-08 20:04:04

veku

this page is a bit wierd
2011-07-08 20:04:19

The Observer

Dr. Raichi. This is surprise. And who's the new character behind the shadows? Guess we'll know soon enough.
2011-07-08 20:04:58

Rawr

Ooh, new guy. His folded-arm stance reminds me of Vegeta, but I wonder who he really is?
2011-07-08 20:06:48

Scar-faced Bandit

Dr. Raichi or whatever from Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans!!? Was he the shadowy guy who's been standing behind Tapion? How did he save Tapion from the music box? Was Hiredegarn released? What happened to the wizard Hoi? So many questions!!

And is that other shadowy guy XXI? His ears are pointy so he could be a Kai. Then again he could also be a namek...or Tapion's race...or Bojack's race...or any of the other pointy-eared humanoid races we've seen.
2011-07-08 20:07:14

Nemesis Scorpion

@Rawr
It's Vegetallo!!!
2011-07-08 20:07:19

siksteen

Looks like Vegeta's arms, but the pointy ear? Hm...
2011-07-08 20:07:25

Kaiju-Z

New Character? Le gasp! Oh man, I bet that the Namekian is Demon King Piccolo o - o
2011-07-08 20:15:47

Senzu_Bean

I was expecting someone besides Dr. Raichi... but I have to wonder how does he fit in DBM considering the Tuffles seem to be non-existent in Saiyans backstory and why he and Tapion know each other.

And is that Piccolo Daimao? :o

To Salagir: something that always bothered me is how Dai Kaioshin never spoke. All Kaioshins already said one or more words but not their leader? One would expect he would be the "great" among them.

P.S.: I really thought XXI would be the one revealing his sword (Z-sword) was somewhat protected against Kaioshins.
2011-07-08 20:09:43

Alexis

I knew it was Raichi! I really hope to see a Hatchyak vs super namek fight as I could not wait to second round to see what the guy is capable of.
2011-07-08 20:10:01

JessPrime

It could be King Piccolo maybe he beat Goku and over the 50+ years he became extremely strong.
2011-07-08 20:12:22

Saiyan Videl

Nice I wonder who this man in the shadows is?
2011-07-08 20:12:35

Mystic Yajirobi

Its Dr. Raichi and i have no idea about the shadow dude
2011-07-08 20:15:09

mr.kaze

That shadowed character can't be XXI. He's in Universe 5, Tapion is Universe 3.
2011-07-08 20:28:47

Y.O.U.R.

From his overall look and the boney part of his face, I assume shadowguy is King Piccolo ÜberVErsion.
His clothes seem to match Piccolo's clothes too.
2011-07-08 20:30:19

Song Oku

Why is Dr. Raichi there?!
and that guy could be tapions teacher or father
2011-07-08 20:23:24

armandthewise

I know these guys loath GT and I certainly do myself as I also don't consider it canon, but what if they decided to throw a curve ball at us and the shadowy figure is revealed to be Nova Shenron? The ears look a lot like his. I have to admit even though I hate GT, Nova was kind of a cool character. Who knows he might be King Piccolo as well or a Kai or some completely new character.
2011-07-08 20:25:22

hulkty

I KNEW IT!!! XD
Dr. Raichi FTW, now where is Hatchiyack!?!?!?
2011-07-08 20:25:23

Crackpot

Looks like Tapion's universe are the misc. Movie characters. I'd like to wager my bet on the mystery guy to be an adult Garlic Jr.
2011-07-08 20:25:36

Nick Your

I would find it kinda hard to believe that is king piccolo. i mean, how could he be one of the strongest in the universe? he thought he was the strongedt when his power was only like 300. so why would he train?
2011-07-08 20:25:55

Rawr

@armandthewise
I like the idea of a curveball, Nuova Shenron was a pretty cool character and would definitely bring more variety to the tournament.
2011-07-08 20:27:55

Spy Hippo

I gotta say, I did not see that coming. But Tapion seems to know Raichi, and Tapion is naturally a hero. Really gotta wonder what the hell happened in their world. I also wonder, with so many bad guys in the same place, if eventually the tournament will get way out of control.
2011-07-08 20:28:42

metalsystem761

who is XXI? no where in the whole comic did I see anyone named XXI and its all over the comic? I fig 21 was Cell cause that use to be some what of a number for him at least it was way back then?
2011-07-08 20:28:47

hulkty

I think the next dark figure is one of the following: King Piccolo, normal Piccolo, a new Namekian, Vegeta fused with Piccolo XD
2011-07-08 20:30:43

BungaCadabra23

If you look closely, the "new" shadow is not tall at all, is not a Ronie Colleman character type and he is wering clothes !
>hulkty
YOU READ MY MIND O.O
2011-07-08 20:30:00

Herald_Of_Galactus

Well, he has Daimao's gaunt face structure from what's visible.

Could be an uber-powerful version of Slug though, that'd be a twist.
2011-07-08 20:30:23

gui19900221

Well, like most of you, I do wonder what Dr. Raichi is doing there, seeing as Salagir said back at page 141 that Dr. Raichi's movie didn't take place in Universes 18 and 16.
I do know that the guy in the shadows isn't Hatchiyack, because Hatchiyack doesn't have those pointy ears we see in the last panel. Of course, that doesn't mean Hatchiyack isn't around here (I mean, I doubt Dr. Raichi is a contestant). That guy (who could be dubbed Shadow Guy 2) could be XXI, seeing as contestants apparently have the right to move through waiting areas. Then again, he also may be some new guy. We'll have to wait and see.
2011-07-08 20:31:58

Vegeta Jr.

how come Tapion in the U5 area. how do he know Dr.Raichi and possibility King Piccolo
2011-07-08 20:33:15

Y.O.U.R.

>Could be an uber-powerful version of Slug though, that'd be a twist.
Why take the rip-off over the awesome original?
And salagir hates slug, so not likely. Plus, Slug doesn't have these facial features, Daimao (or the Nameless Namek) on the other hand does, and even the shape of his clothes matches him.
2011-07-08 20:38:32

Violence Jack X

Nice to see Dr Raichi so maybe Hatchiyack is in the Tornament. I wonder if Tapion is under this shadow figure's control, if he's is a villan in this universe or just being respectful towards them.

If they are working together then they have Raichi's technological genues, Tapion's skill, streagth and possable the power of Hirudegarn and what ever this shadow figure (possible King Piccolo but its very hard to tell the picture dosent give away much)is cabable of which makes them a dangers bunch to go up against.
2011-07-08 20:38:15

ZidaneTribal

Hatchiyack confirmed! Fuck yeah!

That shadow guy looks like Demon Piccolo.
2011-07-08 20:37:41

Your nicck

holy crap! I watched dbz movie: plan to eradicate saiyans just hour ago! thats creepy...
2011-07-08 20:38:16

Mystic Tien Shinhan

Oh no this is gonna drive us all insane(Pulls hair and screams)I kid I kid lol,In the last pannel it kinda DOES looks king piccolo but in the one before it you see the shadowy figure has his arms crossed and from the size he seems a little on the skinny side.So in away it can be king piccolo uber strong version or it could be someone else to,But now here's my question...why is tapion with Dr.Rachi anyways?Rage you where so right its driving us all bonkers Ahhh lol.I wonder if tapions brother survived in this universe minoshia I think was his name but if Dr.Rachi of all people is in this tournament you think hachiyack is in here to?If he's here you think his dream warriors are in it to?
2011-07-08 20:39:34

Sara

LOL! Did it occur to someone that maybe the Z-Sword ALLOWED itself to be pulled because the Old Kai inside is, much like Master Roshi, a pervert? He may just have had the hots for Videl. :P
2011-07-08 20:41:51

Luka

How is it that no one here has realized that that's Janemba? Look at it, Tapion and Dr. Raichi, both movie characters, why wouldn't they put the dopest movie character in the mix?
2011-07-08 20:44:35

Aldors

I think Hiredegarn vs Hatchiyack would be a fun little battle.
2011-07-08 20:47:44

Sara

And yea Luka, good point. It is Janemba I think:

[IMAGE]
2011-07-08 21:13:36

ZidaneTribal

Hiredegarn and Janemba were the last movie villains. I expect much from Janemba since he's probably stronger than Buu.

There is a possibility.

[IMAGE]
2011-07-08 20:50:16

Orumon

Okay, I enjoyed this page. As for the creature in the final panel... hmm, so many guesses I have.
2011-07-08 20:50:19

Senzu_Bean

Janenba isn't that a bad guess but the shadow figure has a waist-belt which nicely fits Piccolo Daimao.
2011-07-08 21:09:59

Y.O.U.R.

>I think Hiredegarn vs Hatchiyack would be a fun little battle.
A very short little battle :o)

And it can't be Janemba, his clothes don't match.

EDIT
>those "clothes" could simply be scales and abs, look at Janemba's design, it fits him very well and even the eyes match.
Not really. look at shadowguy's wrist. It looks like he has a belt on, and Daimao's belt looks just like this.
Also, it looks like he has a shirt on, that has the same outline as the one from Piccolo.
Janemba's scales are on different places and look different overall I think.
And look at the face here:
[IMAGE]
in the red colored part you can see a part of his face, that looks like Daimao's , but not Janemba's. Janemba doesn't have that boney stuff on the side of his face.
2011-07-08 20:59:12

Rague

> I've waited for these things, a reveal of who this XXI is, who Tapion's sinister partners are, and what the Super Namek can do. If the fanon in me is burning strongly today, Piccolo Daimao (having not appeared or reacted to anyone up until this point) has some unspeakable amount of power (assuming it is him). Perhaps he also created some sort of massive fusion between Nameks, or maybe he received his wish for eternal life, or maybe some evil spell of some sort. Whatever the case may be, their universe is obviously different from U18 to the point where the Z-Fighters do not exist. We won't ever know for probably another 4 chapters since Videl and Cold is still going on. Honestly, I want to know more about this universe than I do about how Videl is going to trounce Cold.

How is it that no one here has realized that that's Janemba? Look at it, Tapion and Dr. Raichi, both movie characters, why wouldn't they put the dopest movie character in the mix?

>Luka, that's a very good point. I'll update the theories list then, I never even considered Janemba since his power is so... unspoken. He was trouncing a SSJ3 Goku, yet the way Gogeta finished him seemed so "two minutes until end of movie, wrap it up" you know? While Gogeta is argued as weaker than Vegito, that would still put Janemba on a scale higher than most people in the tournament.

And it can't be Janemba. His clothes don't match.

>Y.O.U.R, assuming he was talking about the SHADOWED GUY, for all you or I know, those "clothes" could simply be scales and abs, look at Janemba's design, it fits him very well and even the eyes match.

batistabus
I want a Garlic Jr. universe! I doubt this is him, but I guess there's a chance...

>And I want a universe where Hercule turns out to be stronger than most of the Z-Fighters like in Budokai 1.

Senzu_Bean I was expecting someone besides Dr. Raichi... but I have to wonder how does he fit in DBM considering the Tuffles seem to be non-existent in Saiyans backstory and why he and Tapion know each other.

> I wonder why they decided not to use Tuffles, I mean, it fits in pretty well with the alternate universe deal. And so far, the "Heliolites" or whatever they're called have sucked pretty badly. They look cool, but then again appearances can be deceiving.
2011-07-08 20:53:08

batistabus

I want a Garlic Jr. universe! I doubt this is him, but I guess there's a chance...
2011-07-08 20:57:51

C2

Wonder who the guy in the shadow is...
2011-07-08 21:12:25

goten

Hatchyak i hoop to see him soon and i to wood like to see a garlic jr univese and the shadow guy cant be janemba as janemba cant tlak
2011-07-08 20:59:07

Majestic Space Duck

hmmm i say its king piccolo or a very strong namek because every outline matches the look of a namek and the eyes sorta give it away no other character species has those types of eyes except nameks! i coud be wrong though its been awhile since i watched the series
2011-07-08 21:02:11

Darth_Jhan

At first I thought it would be Janemba, but my hopes dwindled a little when I saw what appears to be clothes and waistline belt.
2011-07-08 21:04:31

Chiu

I would've tried and guessed it's pikkon , but the jaw/cheek bone ruins it all and ears ofc
2011-07-08 21:13:20

Suppa Saya Jean

Guys guys...XXI is on universe 5 and even if he wasnt..i dont think the main vilain of DBM would even answer to a question like that...
Raichi!There must be Hatchiyack too!!
This pointy ear guy...he must be someone we know...but who??I'm thinking Lord Slug but it wouldnt be cool since there is a super namek...

Janemba is pure evil he wouldnt care for anything but destruction..much less for a tournament...just like kid buu..Salagir stated that was the main reason not to have a kid buu in DBM
2011-07-08 21:05:22

i'm so leooonaaarrddd

It can't be janemba because janemba cannot talk unless in this universe he can
2011-07-08 21:06:05

Herald_Of_Galactus

But, Janemba can't talk. And unlike Buu he couldn't absorb intelligence, so I highly doubt he'd be able to make full sentences like that.

2011-07-08 21:41:31

Senzu_Bean

"Hey has anyone else noticed that this new shadowy guy was actually already shown on page 151? Look in the first pannel...there is Taipon eating, Raichi to the right, but if you look in the door way, you see a darkened area against the rest of the shadows that is a figure and there are clearly eyes...go check it out. He is right there!"

:o You're right. And in there we can clearly see it is Piccolo Daimao. I forgot that a lot of pages have been edited last month or so.
2011-07-08 21:11:00

Brahms The Vampire Lord

Oh god its link from zelda lol j/k but its a strong possiablity that its janemba or demon piccolo i would love for it to be janemba who over time absorbed more negative energy and got really uber strong.But if its king piccolo uber version I won't be dissapointed,But hey it could also XXI who's to say but blast you vile salagir you've doomed us all doomed I say lol.
2011-07-08 21:14:16

Y.O.U.R.

> Damn, Salagir already had everything figured out since I don't know how long.
Not really, seeing how the 2 shadowy guys were edited lately into the old pages in the launchbreak.
BUT, that page clearly shows that it's not Janemba, since he doesn't have horns. And he is bald.
2011-07-08 21:17:40

GoHaN

might be the nameless namek and he didnt split into piccolo and kami and he was more evil then good and did alot of training
2011-07-08 21:18:02

ZidaneTribal

In my opinion it's defintely King Piccolo. I checked some pics and his outline matches his. He was edited in the story a week ago. I think the next fight willl be Piccolo vs. ÜberNamek.
2011-07-08 21:21:33

Sara

Bojack claimed XXI was gone: http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-236.html
2011-07-08 21:36:00

Evil Emperor Proteus

Demon King Piccolo or Janemba would be fine by me, but I would rather have both of them in.

Janemba vs The Namekian would be a great fight and would allow The Namek to show us how incredibly powerful he is, since Janemba seems like one of those characters who would become monstrously powerful if left unchallenged, like Brolly did.
2011-07-08 21:43:26

Y.O.U.R.

[IMAGE]
first panel, he was edited in a few days/weeks ago. you can see he has no hornes and seems to be bold, and namekian shaped.

>Janemba vs The Namekian would be a great fight and would allow The Namek to show us how incredibly powerful he is, since Janemba seems like one of those characters who would become monstrously powerful if left unchallenged, like Brolly did.
I like that idea.
2011-07-08 21:44:14

konata5

why would it be king picollo he is weak what did he do other than die lol
2011-07-08 21:47:59

siksteen

So U3 becomes a little more interesting now, I believe/hope it's King Piccolo, that would be an awesome feature on DBM!
About the "kais can't take out the Z-sword" well, bullshit for me. I'll buy it only if it's better explained this "hero" thing and whatever!

Plus, does that mean that Tuffles are canon here?
2011-07-08 21:46:49

Ouroboros

Like many i am hoping it's King Picolo the tournament could use more nameks
2011-07-08 22:08:19

xX_Living_Xx

I doubt it's Janemba. The shoulder's just don't match up in my perspective, nor does the stomach region. Looks more like a shirt bulging out than Janemba's design. Lastly, the detail inside the ear doesn't match Janemba's, more like a Namekians, and I'm sure Gogeta Jr is using reference material.

But I'd be more fond of it being Janemba than Piccolo.
Janemba is actually interesting, Piccolo Sr on the other hand is not anymore. Even if he was extremely powerful for whatever reason he's easily disposed of via Mafabu.

Ouroboros
>Like many i am hoping it's King Picolo the tournament could use more nameks
There was an entire race of them and there is a dude holding the entire race of them within him right now. Another Namekian is fine but over someone like Janemba I'd say no. Not even close.

In all honesty I'd be more interested if this was a tall Garlic Junior before King Piccolo.

siksteen
>About the "kais can't take out the Z-sword" well, bullshit for me. I'll buy it only if it's better explained this "hero" thing and whatever!

It's just a way for Salagir to shoehorn his desire to have South Kai near SS3 Goku level. Years ago Salagir said that South Kaioshin probably just took out the sword, said "that was easy", then put it right back in. When arguments were put in place he reclined on that idea, and I guess this is how the primary writer was able to impliment Salagir's desires.
It's bullshit obviously (considering Elder Kaioshin wouldn't be scolding about a Kaioshin not getting enough power to pull the sword if the damn thing was Kaioshin resistent), but it's whatever. I don't really care.

MysticYamcha
>maybe he is Garlic or Garlic jr.

It would be a little "LOL" moment for me if it wound up being Turles (one whom has consumed quite a lot of fruit) wearing Namek ears just to mask himself better in the shadows. It'd be ridiculous, but a little entertaining.

On second thought, could it be Tapion's brother acting cold?
2011-07-09 18:11:56

Shinju112

Dr.Rachi huh?, he was never able to fight and he "died"/got absorbed (and his grudge) when hatchiyack came, unless he waked hatchiyack without his grudge, but Dr.Rachi only can put up a shield that can only hold a few attacks, so i doubt he will fight, i think he awakened hatchiyack and controls him, because if hatchiyack is there he would go (partly) beserk on the saiyans because of the grudges against Z-fighters (the saiyans of course), unless controlled i guess.
2011-07-08 21:59:48

MysticYamcha

maybe he is Garlic or Garlic jr.
2011-07-08 22:01:44

Gokan

Well this tells, who ever is in the shadows might make another special showing how that person got there.
2011-07-08 22:05:25

Rafael

@Y.O.U.R.

[IMAGE]

[IMAGE]

Yeah, maybe your right but the face don't fit very well too despite the boney stuff and Piccolo Daimaoh is very tall. I thought about Garlic(not Garlic jr), what do you think?

2011-07-08 22:04:12

mikemike

I think they just hinted that videl can't win
2011-07-08 22:07:06

Roketto


Previous Page:

@ Mystic Tien Shinhan:

>Roketto,Do you have a deviant art?And does anyone know the name of the manga neko makin is from?

Yes, it's here: http://ryunoohi.deviantart.com/ Also, the manga is called Neko Majin Z.

This Page:

Whoa, suddenly we see Tapion! Was wondering when we'd get around to him. Alsooo....I didn't recognize the old geezer he's with at first as Dr. Raichi, haven't watched the OVA in ages. Who's the shadowy dude? I see a few possibilities, given the ear shape: Namekian (Piccolo Daimaou, maybe?), Kai (rogue Kai?), or one of Tapion's race.

@ Rague:

I use bbcode from here: http://www.superbuddies.net/fo...viewtopic.php?f=68&t=10358

@ Crackpot:

>Looks like Tapion's universe are the misc. Movie characters. I'd like to wager my bet on the mystery guy to be an adult Garlic Jr.

Your name says it all, but....I gotta admit I'm intrigued by this prospect.

@ Sara & others:

IIRC, Janemba never actually spoke, so I have a hard time believing this is he. Although, who knows, maybe he learned eloquence after he stopped having fits of maniacal laughter. I love Janemba as a character, so I wouldn't say no to him competing, but logic tells me he's a berserker like Kid Buu, & he was in Hell to begin with, so the Vargas wouldn't have picked him up.

2011-07-08 22:08:27

Random Guy Z

Would be nice to see a King Piccolo VS Piccolo fight.
Just so Piccolo can face "his father". Well he called him father, even though he is a reincarnation.....
2011-07-08 22:09:41

Sawada

Tapion <3 :DDDDDDD
2011-07-08 22:13:39

CellPerfectForm

My first thoughts about this page: Doctor Raichi?! And who is the other one? King Piccolo?
I don't really think it is not King Piccolo or Janemba.
But it might be nice if Hatchiyack shows up to.
(I don't think Dr. Raichi was planed to the comic until "Raging Blast 2" showed up)
2011-07-08 22:22:29

jayjaykirby

I'n thinking the shadow is XXI. and raichi? fukkin sweet!
2011-07-08 22:31:30

Y.O.U.R.

>why would it be king picollo he is weak what did he do other than die lol
-_- So good characters are defined by high power levels, right? right? long silence
What he did do, was...
-He was the first epic kind of villain in DBZ, something every villain after him "copied"
-He was the first person in DB who was powerfull enough to be a planetary threat all by himself
-Has one of the best, if not THE best backstories and story arks in all of DB
-His introduction - especially in the anime - was the best of all characters in all of DB
-His story ark brought on the first death of main characters (Krillin, Roshi, Chaotzu)
-He conquered the world all by himself
-He was actually smart enough to kill everyone who could pose any serious threat to his reign
-His weakness, the mafuba is a rather unique kind of weakness in DB
Just to name a few... :D

And why is videl here? buuuuuuu she's weak!!!! sarcasm intended

>About the "kais can't take out the Z-sword" well, bullshit for me. I'll buy it only if it's better explained this "hero" thing and whatever!
I kinda agree with you on that.

>Even if he was extremely powerful for whatever reason he's easily disposed of via Mafabu.
Like his son/reincarnation, right?

But Garlick wouldn't be bad either, I always wondered what he was like. (why didn't they make a movie about him and kami, dammit!)
And Janemba is also a favoite of mine, but sadly he won't be in this most likely.

@Rafael
>but the face don't fit very well too despite the boney stuff
I see what you mean but keep in mind that the drawing style changed since the Daimao arc, I mean when we see him in the android saga flash back, he looks different. so I think it fits. Not saying it's him 100%, but that's my bet.
>Piccolo Daimaoh is very tall.
True, but hear me out. Look at page 151. not look at 363. you can see that judging by the size of the door, shadowguy is like, 2 heads taller than Vegetto, so he must be tall. But than again, I wonder why he seems shorter in this image, maybe here he's standig further away from the "camera".
But still, going by pages 151 and 363, he must be very tall.
>. I thought about Garlic(not Garlic jr), what do you think?
I always wanted to see Garlick Sr. :D So maybe, but I think nameks have more potential, so it would be better to be Piccolo. but if it is Garlick, I still welcome it.
2011-07-08 22:31:29

Project X

It must be Pilaf.

Yep, definitely Pilaf.
2011-07-08 22:38:31

ssj Trunks

Anyone thinks that the shadowy character is hoi (the kashvar wizard)

Tapion called him sir, so there is a great possibility that hirudegarn is trapped within tapion and controlled by hoi.
seems logical doesn't it?
2011-07-08 22:48:58

itachi_se

Maybe is Chuck norris..
2011-07-08 22:58:19

Y.O.U.R.

>Anyone thinks that the shadowy character is hoi (the kashvar wizard)
http://www.dragonball-multiver...se.com/en/pages/final/0151.png
shadow guy is bold, dressed like a namek, and judging by page 151, much taller than vegetto (judging by the door's height).
And if Tapion was controlled by an evil being, why would he talk about how much he adores heroism?
>what possible correlation would Janemba or Piccolo Daimao have with Tapion or the Grand Kai?
What connection does Tapion has with the tsufuru guy? none. And XXI (what kind of name is that? what does it mean?) is from a different universe, why would he be hanging constantly around Tapion? shadowguy was standing behind Tapion in the lunchbreak too.
But then again, what IS confirmed about XXI anyway?
It's also noteworthy that shadowguy seems to be a new addition, because he wasn't present in the original version of the lunch break and he's missing from the novelization too.
2011-07-08 22:58:23

mixmasterknux

Nice to Dr. Raichi there.
2011-07-08 22:59:11

ssgohanf8

I think the most interesting part of this page is that Tapion is being so friendly with the villains. If the shadowy figure is Piccolo Daimou like they said, then the chances point towards Tapion landing on earth to meet him, right? I just wonder how that'd go.
2011-07-08 23:07:50

SSJ Your nick

XXI has his own universe. Unless he's decided to chill with Tapion and Raichi for some reason it's not him.

I find it odd that Hirudegarn isn't in this universe though, but obviously these two aren't anything to do with him. Unless the figure is some 'upgraded' form of Hirudegarn.
2011-07-08 23:26:38

MikeysBoner

Raichi and Tapion together. That's weird. Now I want a Universe 3 special as well :)

Shadow guy has pointy ears. Maybe he's a member of Tapion's race?
2011-07-08 23:23:55

Valhalen

MAGUS?! lol
Would be nice to see the Chrono Trigger characters fighting here. XD
2011-07-08 23:25:23

Yajirobe Freak!

I think the shadow is between Demon King Piccolo or it could be Garlic.
2011-07-08 23:26:15

saiyanblood

It does look like king piccolo. Now if king piccolo could fuse with piccolo maybe some crazy power increase could be on the cards.
2011-07-08 23:26:22

MysticYamcha

so Videl is weaker than SSJ Gohan.
2011-07-08 23:26:43

=SB=

CALLED IT CALLED IT CALLED IT CALLED IT CALLED IT

*ahem* Forgive me.

Psyched to learn the origins of Dr Raichi pulling Tapion's strings. Seems so appropriate - Raichi employs ghostly recreations of dead warriors, and Tapion's world was annihilated. They kind of go hand-in-hand that way.

This new guy though... Comes off as a Namekian or Garlic's race, that much is for sure, but you never know. The skull structure doesn't exactly scream Lord Slug OR Demon King Piccolo though. Curious. *Wait.* Then again, looking at the other panels on this page, the guy kind of has Supreme Kai ears, doesn't he... Very curious...

By the way, it's probably nothing, but XXI means 21. Some connection to Cell, maybe?

And wasn't Garlic Sr the villain of Dead Zone? I always figured that's why Garlic Jr wanted revenge in the first place...

@Project X - Hahahah! Oh man, that would be the funniest thing if it turned out to be Pilaf of all people! Unlikely, but I'd certainly be entertained!
2011-07-08 23:34:16

omega kai

im a little lost. who is XXI?
2011-07-08 23:35:51

jayjaykirby

>Would be nice to see the Chrono Trigger characters fighting here. XD
I wonder how well they would do against db chars. they DID defeat a reality warping parasite god (of course...He got better...)
2011-07-08 23:37:43

Boss

is king piccolo or pikkon
2011-07-08 23:42:09

Super Gojita 3

XXI is the namekian who sent Brolly away.

Rather he's not a namekian, he's only appearing as one to avoid arousing suspicion.
2011-07-08 23:43:50

Gogetto

@=SB=
I'm pretty sure you're forgiven =)

Tapion and Dr. Raichi or Lychee and an unknown person resembling a namekian...super powered Piccolo Diamo? or maybe the Nameless namek never seperated himself and simply trained becoming incredibly powerful?
2011-07-08 23:44:33

ThisDude

Im going to say Videl is royally screwed. unless she kills Cold before he transforms again.
2011-07-08 23:44:51

Random guy

>And wasn't Garlic Sr the villain of Dead Zone? I always figured that's why Garlic Jr wanted revenge in the first place..

No, that was Garlic Jr. who was trying to get revenge on Kami who was chosen over Garlic Sr. to be the guardian of Earth, Garlic Sr. attacked but was defeated and sent to the dead zone. That was all in a flashback.
2011-07-09 00:12:15

Mysterious Shadow from Universe 3

I think that it might be Kami or the Unnamed Namek, well more hoping than thinking but how awesome would that be? :D
2011-07-09 01:15:22

NounMan

@ Mysterious Shadow from Universe 3

even you don't know who you are...
2011-07-09 00:57:40

Xeno

I personally think the guy in the shadows is the Wizard from Tapion's Homeworld if you know what I mean.
2011-07-09 01:05:48

Stouty22

LOL called it... most of the people are shouting out who they think it is and other crap. I say lets just wait till Sunday for more info hopefully.

@Y.O.U.R.: even if it is him why should most of the contestants be afraid of him... piccolo is a prime example that training is not enough for the namekian's to catch up to the saiyans... and that's assuming he trained. and don't say fusion because no namekian in their right mind would fuse with that evil monster.

@Rage: Nice call also man. you really know the users of this site. like a parent knows a child, only difference is you can ban them and call them retards with out worry of them having psychological problems 20 years down the road.

2011-07-09 01:09:10

Mrperson0

Wow, very awesome page. Dr. Raichi, and possibly King Piccolo or the Nameless Namek. Would be awesome if it was the latter.
2011-07-09 01:47:56

=SB=

I realize this is off-topic, but seeing Dr. Raichi again reminded me... "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans" was better than pretty much the entirety of the Baby "saga" in GT.



EDIT: Don't you just love how this one page is getting a better reaction than the entire last special? hahah
2011-07-09 01:38:42

Y.O.U.R.

>piccolo is a prime example that training is not enough for the namekian's to catch up to the saiyans...
And videl is a prime example that "humans can't reach ssj levels", right? :D
2011-07-09 02:37:31

Ultimate SSJ

Wait tapion had a brother right? could it possibly be him? i will shit bricks if im right
2011-07-09 02:49:23

Stouty22

@Y.O.U.R.: Curse you salagir and your changes. I even forgot about brolly for awhile... so nvm what I said b4.
EDIT:
@Roketto: thanks for help with color BBcode. I appreciate it. I promise I wont turn my posts into a gay pride banner though. Ill just use it every now and then.

@Rague: I see you have also figured it out. :D
2011-07-09 01:51:28

Zubhan

haha u like how they go and insult videl, when she probably can go to a much higher form of kaioken and destroy them:) plus i like their theory as it is quite insulting to gohan:)
2011-07-09 02:01:58

Sara

I think Videl's level will stagnate at three times.
2011-07-09 02:02:06

KJCrush

I like gogetto's thoery. I'm putting my money on it being The Nameless Namek, who never expelled his evil side and instead embraced it.
2011-07-09 02:06:19

Some_weirdGuy

Its funny cause a few pages ago I mentioned the same idea about the Z Sword (kai's not being able to ever lift it cause its magic prevents them). So I guess salagir came to the same sort of conclusion, after watching the Z sword stuff, that I did.
(though i suppose really its one of the only reasonable explanations asides from 'gohan was the chosen one!', so others were bound to come up with the idea too)
2011-07-09 02:45:32

Rague

> first panel, he was edited in a few days/weeks ago. you can see he has no hornes and seems to be bold, and namekian shaped.

Well, there are TWO mysteries of Universe 5. The shadow that made TWO appearances turns out to MOST LIKELY be Dr. Raichi, since he was floating/had a bit of hair/organ. The SECOND shadow could be Janemba.

>Roketto
>IIRC, Janemba never actually spoke, so I have a hard time believing this is he. Although, who knows, maybe he learned eloquence after he stopped having fits of maniacal laughter. I love Janemba as a character, so I wouldn't say no to him competing, but logic tells me he's a berserker like Kid Buu, & he was in Hell to begin with, so the Vargas wouldn't have picked him up.

As far as I remember, the Nameks never considered the idea of fusion when a genocidal madman was blowing up their planet. IIRC, Majin Buu lacked sanity and was hellbent on destroying all life even when he gained intelligence. And yet both of those things have been defied. Everyone says its unlikely, yet everyone wants Janemba! Fight for him! Cheer him on! If Salagir denies us Janemba, I say RIOT THE FORUM AND TEAR THE VERY FABRIC OF REALITY LIKE A STICK OF CHEWING GUM. :)

And besides, how do you guys not remember him speaking. He always use to shout, "JANEMPA! JANEMPA!" in that childish little voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk2Wl7mfOA4
And thanks, after trial and error and training under x20 gravity, I think this Kaioken color will suit me just fine.

2011-07-09 02:10:18

Geno

Poor Tapion. Nobody cares, lol.
That protection against the kais is news to me. I think that it made better sense that the kais just weren't strong enough to pull the sword. If it wasn't for Salagir's power restriction rules, it wouldn't be too far fetched for Videl to be strong enough. Interesting to see another new character showing up. I wonder who it is? Certainly isn't XXI since he'd have to be universe 5.

@ Rage- (Previous page)
>Will you pay my bills and my house?
As efficiently as God answers prayers.

@ MikeysBoner- (Previous page)
>Just because they both failed against Vegeta doesn't mean they have the same power. SS1 and SS2 both failed against Buu, does that mean SS1 and SS2 have the same power also?
That's funny. I don't remember giving that as the evidence.

@ giver123- (Previous page)
>No Kaioken x1 and 2 are different levels a normal kaioken would add fifty percent of his base power for example goku's base is 8000 a normal kaioken would be 12,000 and then a x2 would be 16,000.
Look at you, making stuff up out of thin air. You're quite talented.

@ Geno fan- (Previous page)
>Yes, but Geno i don't think you understand. It dosen't have to make sense, to me she is going Kaioken x2 because Goku said it in the mango.
You assume without logic and accept against logic. You're right, it doesn't make sense.

@ Blazing Waffles- (Previous page)
>Geno as fans now. Lucky mofo. :c
Not that lucky. Besides, you're more of a fan than he is.
2011-07-09 02:25:30

Zabi


Dr Raichi?! Tsufurujin survivor ho created Hatchyac!
2011-07-09 02:25:51

Pimp Smack

Its DANGALANG KING PICCOLO!~
Or Chuck Norris In a mask
2011-07-09 02:28:35

Shinnin

I'm calling it now, the shadow guy's Janemba
2011-07-09 02:34:40

Geno fan

Geno>You assume without logic and accept against logic. You're right, it doesn't make sense.

It dosen't matter if it's true or not. The good thing is that you can correct things in your head, and ignore things if it isen't what you want it to be.
That way for example, people can have the powerlevels you want them to have :)
2011-07-09 04:06:28

MG

He's that good hidden that he must be a very special character. If I look on the belt, the form of ear, the posing like the younger Picollo, I would say it's Picollo Daimao.

I don't think it's Garlic Jr. He have different ears (longer). And it can't be the older [Lord] Garlic, because he have a beard:
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Garlic

It would be incredible epic if he's Picollo Daimao. O-M-G.

[EDIT]
@NounMan
Look at the second picture.
[IMAGE]
2011-07-09 02:38:01

NounMan

@MG
I see what you think might be a beard, but it could be that he is old, and has a defined line on his face there.
2011-07-09 02:48:20

SSJ3 Vegeta

I think a Human can catch up to a saiyan. I mean Freeza got his ass handed to him by Goku. And at the end of DBZ Althouh there strength isnt really showed I feel like Yamcha,Krillin, and especially Tien could defeat Freeza just as easy. And look at Uub. I mean granted we don't know But I always figured he could be as strong as Kid Buu. So it isn't really your Race but more of how you're born. So i mean if Videl had a load of untapped potential the Kaio Ken would bring some of it out.

Oh and Shadow Namekian, Totally gonna be Garlic or Nameless Namekian. But i dont feel he'd be very strong. But they never really say how powerful Tapion is.
2011-07-09 03:33:53

Saiga

That Z Sword bullshit is pretty bad... if Salagir really wanted to make South Kai stronger, the smart thing to do would be to say, because he didn't get killed by Buu thousands of years ago, he trained and got a heck of a lot stronger. Hurr Durr. Oh well, Dr Lychee and shadow guy look interesting.

@Tel Meggido
Yeah, you're right about Bulma's scouter. But my point about Goku and Vegeta's relative power levels still stands.
2011-07-09 02:51:35

Jzuri

OH SHIT !!!! This page was so unexpected I didn't see it coming, I mean really..

I was waiting (as usual) to see the continued fight between the 2 badasses, Videl and King Alien Cold. But this got all o.o - WOW ! Salagir, thank for this unexpected suprising page, I know XXI is your mystery fighter that we haven't seen yet in this tournament, but not only that, we saw Dr. Lychee. So is that guy XXI, just have name changed to some badass "?" name to keep us guessing and theorizing? Or is it the guy in the shadows? Could be a namek due to his pointed ears but then again, it could be one of Tapion's relative. (Wait, didn't Tapion had a little brother that got killed or something, I didn't see the movie so yeah..) If thats the case, in this universe, I"m guessing, Tapion met Dr. Lychie and asked him to help him and his relative (XXI possibly..,)to fight that giant Hirudegrans creature using Hatchiyack. Hell idk, I haven't watch the movie, just my guess on the whole thing, but damn awsome page today.

d)==/(r.r\==(6 (Happy face with 2 thumbs up for this page.) Can't wait for Sunday. Oh btw, since Dr. Lychee is here, that means Hatchiyack is probably here too, hehe, I can't wait to see how strong he actually is compare to last time (in u18) of how he beat the hell out of full power Ssj Goku,full power Ssj Gohan,USsj Vegeta,
USsjTrunks, and Super Namek Piccolo. Wish I saw Gohan went all out in Ssj2 against that red machine, would of been another "badass ssj2 gohan" moment for me.
2011-07-09 02:55:48

His Nickname

I just realized that tapion had a brother (i think) maybe thats his brother
2011-07-09 02:56:19

Gokan

>would of been another "badass ssj2 gohan" moment for me.
i like them moments, but there was only 2 of them, i wish there was more of the badass ss2 teen gohan!
2011-07-09 03:14:07

Rague

Super KAIO...KEEEEEN!!!!!

Hrh hrm. (Ty, Stout22 & Roketto)

>MG
>I don't think it's Garlic Jr. He have different ears (longer). And it can't be the older [Lord] Garlic, because he have a beard:

Despite what I said earlier, I guess you'd have to look at their personalities. The people so far, who are most likely are:

- Piccolo Daimao
- Janemba
- Garlic Junior

Who would have the kind of personality becoming of Tapion and Dr. Raichi, both movie characters themselves? Which would have the sentience, the will, or the instruction to join forces? My bets would be on Janemba, since like Broly the manga seems to "evolve" movie characters. Bojack seemed like the kind of guy who only cares about sdominion, yet he joins the tournament and doesn't go "Broly" on everyone. In the movie - he sent his henchmen to finish off the Z-Fighters without any explanation as to why, in fact, the only bit of background we get from him is his surprise at seeing "Goku" come back from the dead just to deck him. Janemba had a similarly one-track agenda with the only change being that when Pikkon yelled "DISGUSTING FREAK!" he had a minor seizure and his face crackled. Garlic Jr, on the other hand, was trapped in the Dead Zone and flat out despised Goku and most likely Gohan and just wanted to rule the world (heck, he's one of two villains who actually GOT their wishes granted). Piccolo Daimao, he's just too arrogant, thinks no one can surpass him, albeit he's also careful enough to destroy the eternal dragon. He's too deceitful, I doubt he'd work with Tapion or Dr. Raichi, and then, I don't even know what Raichi's agenda was, so it's likely he'd have some sort of alternative objective in the tournament as well.

>Geno
>Poor Tapion. Nobody cares, lol.
>That protection against the kais is news to me. I think that it made better sense that the kais just weren't strong enough to pull the sword. If it wasn't for Salagir's power restriction rules, it wouldn't be too far fetched for Videl to be strong enough. Interesting to see another new character showing up. I wonder who it is? Certainly isn't XXI since he'd have to be universe 5.

Ditto, but at the same time, he did only say it was his theory, and frankly, the Kais seem a tad "embarassed" just to see a mortal holding their precious sword, so maybe he's saying it solely to save face. Salagir's "power restriction rules"? Sorry, I'm not familiar with just about anything Salagir says, I only jumped into this manga when it was 250+ pages and didn't read the comments until I had nearly started catching up with the updates. And there's only one thing I can hope for with XXI - that he's a smart fighter instead of a powerhouse or a tank, since he's up against Vegito, it'd be nice to see a change of tactics.
2011-07-09 03:59:41

Stouty22

@Rague: missed one of these "]" :D
Also try a different color for name btw. Like this^^

EDIT:
@Rague: derp thats the link to my gravitar... lol?

@Rage: another question for you when you get the chance: how long do we have to edit our posts b4 it becomes set in stone?
EDIT2:
@Rague(again) they have instructions for the picture on that gravatar site lol... that's why they ask for gravatar email... http://en.gravatar.com/ just try not to copy other peoples image as best you can...
2011-07-09 03:11:22

=SB=

Even though this new guy isn't XXI, I'm making a prediction: XXI is actually an android-ized Chiaotzu, hell-bent on destruction!!!
2011-07-09 04:30:18

Rague

My bets are that it's some mysterious enemy of the Kais with potara earrings, who in the middle of the battle will use some kind of time-space ability to steal one of Vegito's earrings and fuse them into one being.

Not sure how XXI would win though... since the Vargas don't seem to understand the whole "one body, one mind" deal.

>Stouty22

Heh, sorry about that. Learn by example. I was trying to see if linking an image from the title or the text section would make it like yours or SB's, and I was using yours as a placeholder to see what would happen each time. But I figured that I wouldn't be able to use it since it was just a link so I tried one of my own, which was too big. I guess I don't need a picture for now, at least until I can condense or find one small enough. How did you get a picture of Vegeta to fit?

>Stouty22(again)
Thanks, I finally figured it out and tested it on an earlier page. Sorry for swiping your pic. XD

>MG
Forgive me, I sounded condescending there. What I mean to say is that just by judging their personalities it doesn't, at least, seem anymore likely to be anyone but Janemba. Janemba was capable of strategy, whereas Broly was more of a raving lunatic who couldn't be stopped and only got bored or amused at resistance. Janemba at least was capable of slowing down. People are saying that "it can't be Janemba because he has no horn or tail". You do realize that you are looking at a barely-visible silihoutte inside of a massive shadowed area correct, the only thing we can really see are his arms, ears, and eyes. Janemba also happens to be REALLY tall, so perhaps his tail has been cut off by the panel.

I said its likely to be anyone of those three, but given the resemblance I've put together and based on their personalities, Janemba is the onyl one I see as having any ability to cooperate.

Piccolo had his wish and never desired to work with anyone (yes, it could be him). But I just don't see him as becoming one of the "most powerful" and maybe its just bias against Nameks (no racism) but I doubt he would be featured here the same way people like Turles and Gogeta aren't appearing. Its a non-logical hunch but I'm putting my money on the bet that Janemba would be more interesting than Piccolo Daimao. And Garlic Junior got his wish, so what interest does he have coming to a tournament? Also, people like Garlic and Daimao would have LEFT after seeing Vegito and Broly fight, while we at least can be certain Janemba is somewhere within that range of power or could at least hold his ground for a little while.

Most of all, its those eyes. Piccolo Daimao and Garlic just didn't have eyes like that, so laden with evil.
2011-07-09 03:21:06

zihark

Maybe Shadowguy it's just a very strong made up character. Sounds more plausible than being a namek. Nameks aren't powerful. I mean, they can in DBM, but one is enough.
2011-07-09 03:21:21

giver123

Wasn't making anything up just going by the most logical explanation. Pot calling the kettle black much don't ya think? Your theory is just speculation like mine except mine is more logical.
2011-07-09 03:42:36

SSJ3 Vegeta

I really dig the idea that the shadow character is Tapions little brother. But reborn as a stronger hatyiack kinda guy. Maybe Tapion kills the saiyans in order for his brothers revival? hmm Thatd be interesting.

And no way its Janemba. Janemba can't talk.

And I dont think it's a namekian. Look at his face. He has like something on it? By his ear. Thats not shadow.
I cant wait to have this char revealed :D
2011-07-09 03:56:53

Destro

I would like to see a universe were Broly is not actually an asshole or a madman and he's the main hero+the good main hero like Goku.He would have all his power but in order to unlock it he would need to get angry which means lose his mind and hurt his friends.So we would have a constant battle between the good Broly and villains that he can't beat without going wild.So crazy Broly would be something good.
2011-07-09 04:00:20

Turbo_ken

It can't be Janemba, Janemba doesn't speak.

Nice page.
2011-07-09 04:13:21

Your nickfrgdf

the ears look namekian yet his shape isn't...... interesting
2011-07-09 04:19:22

MG

@Rague
> I guess you'd have to look at their personalities

I do. And you? Like Turbo_ken said: Janemba doesn't speak. He's more insane as Broly. If Janemba would be in the tournament, he would destroy everything. Furthermore the shadow on this page has no tail - and Janemba has no belt. Both is important: Personality and how he looks.

And I didn't understand your point, because English isn't my language :-/
You say it's Janemba, Garlic or Picollo? Picollo is the only one of them who wants to rule the world. Garlic had his wish and Janemba just kills everyone just 4 fun.
2011-07-09 04:19:06

Kaybag

He is a Kai I'm sure of it.
Look at the curl in the ear in the last panel and notice the same curl in the kaisears.
2011-07-09 04:25:22

Your xx

looks like kami
2011-07-09 04:33:10

Roketto ist episch!

I think it is a Kai or the great Piccollo Daimiao.
2011-07-09 04:34:50

Zingiba

Salagir said in the comments of page 236 (in French) that XXI's name was pronounced "Ksi".

Other than his name and the way to pronounce it, we have no informations on the mysterious fighter from universe 5.

As for the third one from universe 3, bets are open.
2011-07-09 04:52:44

Super Saiyan 4 Vegito

Interesting I've GOT to know who these guys are
2011-07-09 04:55:20

Forgotten Warrior

previous page
>I don't see any proof saying they can't handle that much power.
gt gives the answer in episode 55. bulma says vegeta had not done enough training up until then in order to handle being super saiyan 4. she also says baby's cells interefered so you have to be pure blooded saiyan. no human cells can interfer.

>Why even bother arguing something dealing with power levels in gt if they themselves are not canon either? I guess I'm the type of person that thinks, if you're going to go strictly canon, stay strictly canon. Why even discuss something that's not canon? Your argument should've been, "it doesn't matter, cause its not even canon" as opposed to bringing gt perfect files into the discussion, unless you see gt as a canon source of information.
that doesnt make any sense. i can talk about non canon if i damn well want. and i can explain why dragon fist is CONSIDERED non canon if i damn well want. i never said i had any qualms about discussing those things as i dont really care myself. and theres no reason to say "it doesnt matter" JUST because its non canon because toriyama never said that. he helped make non canon stuff so why should we disregard it?

>I'm just saying why bother arguing what is and is not canon, when you could simply have said, it doesn't matter, cause it ain't canon.
when was i doing that? i merely explained to someone why a technique is not considered canon by others. i said NOTHING of my own personal canon.

this is a monumental page! simply awesome! lots of things to discuss.
first of all, the sword. salagir's idea makes sense, but I always felt ssj1 gohan was simply more powerful than any kaioshin to appear. but this allows south kaioshin to retain his filler power (equal to kid buu).
Ksi i would theorise is some kind of monster born of the evil in the universe, similar to the shadow dragons in gt, and janemba in z. something that only happened in universe 5 which is why we never see Ksi in any other universe. since no one except bojack has actually seen him and no one knows anything about his power before now, he can both supress his power and hide his presence. perhaps he is of bojack's race? perhaps zen buu has already noticed as well?
as for universe 3, thats probably the most interesting of the universes so far. tapion is still a hero, as in not being controlled so maybe these "i dont care" guys are also good, and not some darkness dudes. the second shadow man (piccolo daimo? a kai? adult garlic jr?) could also be Ksi and thats why tapion didnt know his name. dr raichi undoubtedly plans on using hatchyack as a summoning. i dont remember hatchyack having ears so the shadow man cant be him.
i think how universe 3 turned out is that the tuffles were never destroyed and raichi came to earth and found tapion's box, freeing him. since his brother was not destroyed by hirudegarn and hoi, tapion only houses half of hirudegarn. raichi may have a way of supressing hirudegarn. the shadow man is probably a henchman of raichi. im probably wrong. but tapion is most likely benevolent. raichi probably has a plan for the tournament and wants the dragonballs.
since this is a multiverse, we cant rule out ANY possibility. so this can still be garlic or janemba.
2011-07-09 04:58:21

jadenik

In reality, saiyans are overrated and it just happens that GOku and vegeta's families are that good.
2011-07-09 04:58:25

Gokua

It's not piccolo daimoa, bc hed hav wrinkls .besides garlic jr has almond-shaped eyes, so that makes him impossible too. janemba has a crest over his eyes(like Cell and Cooler) so it has to be one of tapions relatives.
(if ur wondring, his lil bros name is minosha)
2011-07-09 05:11:07

Blazing Waffles

>I disagree whole heartedly about this statement in regards of "common knowledge". I don't think that just because its "widely accepted in the fanbase" and "never given a canon explanation" that it "might as well be canon". No, I am sorry my friend, but that is so not true. That in no way should make it canon. It should never even be considered as such. Example: there is a fan-made character named Taanipu. She is supposedly "goku and raditz's mother". This has not been confirmed from anyone who was involved in the making of DB/Z/GT. She was NOT(to our knowledge thus far) made by A.T. She is a fan character, yet it is widely believed in the "fan-base" that she IS, when clearly, she is not. Does that mean that she should be accepted as canon, even though she clearly is not? Another Example? A character by the name of Rosicheena, supposedly the "mother of Vegeta and Tarble, queen of the saiyans, wife to king vegeta". Again, not true. She too, is a fan made character, and through spreading around the net, has come to be called "canon" even though she too is clearly fan made. Does this mean she too should be accepted as canon? because the "fan base widely accepted her"?

Ah, but making a character and throwing them out there is a bit different from coming up with a power multiplier of a technique.

One is making up a convincing character and having everybody believe that character is canon. The other is coming up with an explanation where none is given.

All that's known is that Kaio-Ken multiplies power. Because it's sometimes said as "Kaio-Ken" and nothing more, we can assume that it's multiplying the user's power by 2. If it wasn't, then I don't see what sort of benefits it would give aside from putting strain on your body, which isn't a benefit at all.

To sum up this page in three words: I don't care.

(...But I'm kinda hoping this "XXI" dude is somebody new. New and exciting. The older villains were interesting, but they've been dealt with. I want to see somebody new who can put up a fight and see all of the cool ways they can one-up the heroes.)
2011-07-09 06:01:35

goten

Forgotten Warrior there only one thing worng with what you said if dr raichi did not get killed by the saiyan then he wood look humon not have his gosht fighting look like he dos here so the tuffles war killed by the saiyan,s how do i know this i tell you how as dr raichi dos not look humon he looks like his gosht fighter slef that means the saiyan,s did kill him and what am saying is if you watch the moive you see that dr raichi his 2 look befor he is

killed by the saiyans he looks humon after he is killed by the saiyan he looks the some as he dos here in dbm that means he was killed by the saiyans long with the tuffles and he gosht fighter and his to have hatchyack with him some where i am looking forword to seeing him

Gokua your forgeting one thing galric jr can transform his 2nd form eyes to much his base form eyes

2011-07-09 06:07:40

Boss

is pikkon im sure :O
2011-07-09 06:17:39

GokuSSJMaster

This just keeps getting more and more interesting >=]
2011-07-09 06:21:41

Gogeta FTW

What a twist!
2011-07-09 06:22:11

RockStarFromMars

its piccolos dad from db i bet i bet he turned good
2011-07-09 06:23:31

Genius

I don't think it's Tapion's brother. Tapion refers to the shadow guy as sir, inferring that he doesn't know who he is. Would you call your brother sir? I don't think so.

As for the guy involved with that villian from the OVA, I don't think that's him. Yeah, he was kind of cool but his creation was completely stupid and ruined the special for me.

I don't have any real guesses as to who it is though. I'd like it to be Tapion's brother because Hirudegarn would be awesome to have in this manga, but I've already stated that outcome to be unlikely. All I can really say is that it's an OC of some sort.
2011-07-09 07:21:24

Majestic Space Duck

hahahahaha success!!!
2011-07-09 07:14:52

a name

You all forgot that XXI has gone missing. Vargas are obviously not the best at keeping up with their competitors, so that's possibly XXI. Or it could be King Piccolo like everyone else said. Especially since hes the only villian who would take control of his domain of his universe without blowing up everything like Janemba.
2011-07-09 09:58:11

Abcula

Can't do it rainbow style :(
2011-07-09 07:33:38

sids

@Boss

It can't be Pikkon because Pikkon has different ears than the guy in the shadow.
2011-07-09 08:24:34

HMMMMMM

Anyone ever think it might be the Guy that sealed up hirudegarn with Tapion. I believe it was his teacher or a wizard of some sorts.
2011-07-09 09:11:01

I'm not nick

Tapion's brother was years younger than him. This guy seems older than Tapion. I'm considering that this may be an original character and even a candidate for possible ultimate villian. Though I don't think he will be, being as it is expected to have thousands of pages. It's highly unlikely that the character would appear this early on.
2011-07-09 09:25:09

Kamehamehadoken

@=SB=
>Even though this new guy isn't XXI, I'm making a prediction: XXI is actually an android-ized Chiaotzu, hell-bent on destruction!!!
Good thing I saved the Master Ball!
2011-07-09 09:21:02

ddawg

could be baby? from gt hehe
2011-07-09 09:37:14

Violence Jack X

If the Shadow figure is a powered up Piccolo Daimao then I'll be very pleased, I've alwayes beleved him to be the db universes most evil villian even more so then Frieza. (please note I said most evil not most powerful)

He's shares the my favioret db universe villian spot with the the cold family
2011-07-09 09:38:02

Majestic Space Duck

well i cant wait for the next page i hope it answers more things like who will win Videl or Cold? Who is the mystery shadow guy? and why is the shadow guy a big deal? Stay Tuned Next DBM!!
2011-07-09 12:32:00

Kalkarot-El

I think someone came up with the very theory on panel 2 before this page.

@xX_Living_Xx
>It's bullshit obviously (considering Elder Kaioshin wouldn't be scolding about a Kaioshin not getting enough power to pull the sword if the damn thing was Kaioshin resistent
Sure Old Kai would scold if he didn't know the sword was Kaioshin resistant(it's not like he created a sword to seal himself) or expected better of the Kaioshin's.
>On second thought, could it be Tapion's brother acting cold?
or maybe it's the Wizard.

@MG
>Janemba doesn't speak. He's more insane as Broly.
I kind of disagree. In my opinion Broly was a powerful sociopath, while Janemba was a powerful baby(Kind of like Fat Buu).
2011-07-09 09:53:36

Sai2113

What about a Vegeta/Piccolo fusion?
2011-07-09 10:08:49

Gogetto

@KJCrush
>I like gogetto's thoery. I'm putting my money on it being The Nameless Namek, who never expelled his evil side and instead embraced it.

Thanks ^_^
2011-07-09 10:13:03

Gogito

I find it weird that Tapion addressed him like that. Just the 'And you, sir' got my attention. I doubt they are related to anyone else in any universe. Well, that's what I'm hoping at least!
2011-07-09 11:00:35

HEREandNOW

Well, this pretty much tells me that once again, Videl is going to get beat. Same old story, Videl fights strong guy, hits a few times then ultimatley gets mauled. Yeah, I see this ending in pain for Videl as usual. Then again, I really have no idea how strong a Kaio Shin is. Also is there a possibility that thats not Tapion? It could be his brother that may have never died and grew up and the guy in the shadows is actually Tapion. Oh the possibilities.
2011-07-09 11:05:26

Hobbes

Oooo, new people. :o
2011-07-09 11:33:53

Coola

This is going to sound crazy but I believe the guy is Magus from Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger was designed by Toriyama so Magus is one of his characters. The "I dont care" attitude would fit with Magus too.

[IMAGE]
2011-07-09 11:55:33

metalsystem761

Well he has been in that area since the tournament started so he prob carried conversation over there. And its not janemba since he doesn't have that belt thing like goku and piccolo so it's gotta be evil piccolo. Notice in the panel he's shaped like a namiek
2011-07-09 11:56:09

Dr. Killjoy

Aren't you all forgetting that minosha is tapions YOUNGER brother. so i doubt tapion would call him sir if it was his little brother.
janemba in his first big fat baby form could only say his own name. when he turned into the more devil like form the only 'words' or better said sounds he made where growls and grunts and some laughs.
janemba was also just like kid buu a mindless destroyer (hell even broly is more intelligent then kid buu and janemba) although all 3 would lose at a math contest :P

as for south kaioken whining about the sword, he's just jealous. if you count his little filler battle against kid buu in the anime i would rank him at ssj2 lvl at best.

it's either King piccolo, garlic sr or jr or XXI or someone new.

2011-07-09 12:12:42

super namek dende

dragonfist is canon goku used it against great demon king piccolo
2011-07-09 13:02:07

me yea me

Those 3 are gonna be good to see, tapion must be the strongest of the 3 i guess, cool page...
2011-07-09 13:17:24

popo

@Coola
He doesn't seem to be wearing a cape on this page though.
2011-07-09 13:29:45

Gotehagetanks

Uh... Do people here understand that universes differ? Janemba could speak in an alternate universe <_< Anyway, I don't think it's Garlic Sr (or Jr) or King Piccolo since both are just too weak and had no way to gain such amounts of power. They'd probably be scared of powers like Vegetto and run from the tournament.
2011-07-09 13:35:32

Janemba

jannemba for sure
2011-07-09 14:02:25

Super Namekian

There's been alot of crazy suggestions on this page, so I thought I might as well add one.

Young Guru?
2011-07-09 14:47:10

Blazing Waffles

>dragonfist is canon goku used it against great demon king piccolo

Did you see a dragon? No you did not, you saw an ape...which wasn't even there, it was just a representation of Goku's power.
2011-07-09 14:59:58

Gogetto

@Dr.Killjoy
if X=Y what is Y2 x 3K = X?
Broly: KAKAROTT!!
Kid Buu: Buu yeahh!
Janemba: grrahhahahah!
2011-07-09 15:13:03

Feliza

I'm not sure if anyone suggested this yet, but I have a different idea who the guy in the shadow could be...

Let's face it, sure, it could be Janemba, Garlic Jr or Piccolo Daimao. Each have several good arguments as why. However each also have arguments as why not. Let me check.

1. Janemba

+ Would make sense he'd be the strongest in at least one universe
+ He does have pointy ears and the shape of his eye also matches
+ The others in this universe are also characters from movies
+ You can't see the shape of his head or below his waist, this would indicate there was something they wanted to hide (which would be Janemba's horns and tail)

but..
- The silouhette of his clothes do not match.. Janemba never had a sash, nor is his collar visible. Of course, he could have had a change of wardrobe, but I find it unlikely. So it can't be him.

Garlic Jr.

+ It would make sense he would be the strongest at least in one universe
+ he also has pointed ears and similar eyes

but
- The shape of the body of the silouhette is way too slender, Garlic Jr. was waaay more muscular than that
- Again, the clothes do not match. Garlic never wore a shirt or a sash of that fashion when in this form.
- He probably wouldn't be hiding in the shadows, he's not humble enough for that. He'd be out there with his spice boys telling everyone that he was the best and everyone else should go home. So it can't be him, either.

Young Piccolo Daimao:
+ Again, would make sense he'd be the strongest at least in one universe
+ Also, the shape of the ear and eye match
+ And, the clothes are a perfect match, too!
+ We can't see the top of his head, which likely would be hiding his antennae

+/- He is not very strong, though why wouldn't he be in this universe? Though, correct me if I'm mistaken, Tapion wasn't as strong as the Saiyans either, right? And still he's there.

But...
- Would Piccolo Daimao, the Demon King, settle for hiding in the shadows? I don't think so. This guy posed live on TV and held public speeches on his superiority. Plus, I find it hard to believe he would be there without any of his minions. I honestly do not think this would match the personality of Piccolo Daimao.

But but... if it's none of them, who could it be?

I'll tell you! :D

It's Piccolo Jr! When he was still evil!

See?
+ It (again) would make sense he would be the strongest in at least one universe
+ the shape of his ear and eye match
+ the clothes are a perfect match
+ we can't see the top of his head, maybe hiding his antennae?
+ he could have trained all this time (like in the hyperbolic time chamber?). In any way, he could still have easily become one of the strongest of the planet.
+ the personality (the hiding in the shadows and "I don't care" is exactly how Piccolo Jr. is.

Makes sense, don't you think?


Of course, I could be wrong and it's someone else of the mentioned or someone completely else. But you can't deny I don't have a point. =P
2011-07-09 15:48:10

Shadow the Hedgehog

Is this thing his antennae?

[IMAGE]
2011-07-09 16:17:07

Ultimate Kai

Awesome!! Getting Intresting! i love Dr. whats his face's design and that is definatley Piccolo Daimoe Jr with eternal Youth? still though i dont think he would be that strong.. maybe as strong as Jeice from Ginyu force?
2011-07-09 16:22:25

Bard Smaugkiller

this is definetly evil piccolo jr....
2011-07-09 16:35:26

Shadow

first of, woo! now I can have colored text :D
Second, yay! more Tapion, i hope we see more of him soon, I really wanna know who Mr. Lurking is, should be interesting

Side note: i REALLY hope i used the bbcode right :S
Edit: yay ^^ though i wish i could find a better azure.. maybe later
2011-07-09 16:51:44

robertpas

it's either Slug or Demon King Piccolo I guess
2011-07-09 17:08:18

arkume8beltz

>Shadow
¿How do you colored your nick in grey?I only knows the code of red,green,blue,yellow..
Is the same the colored text like the nick color?
2011-07-09 17:26:19

Barb

@Feliza Your Time Chamber would of been correct if it wasn't stated that 1 person can only ever Survive 2 years in the time chamber, its stated by Goku that he barely survived the training when he was a child and by popo I believe that you can only stay for exactly 2 years because the time chamber will seal and needs time to "Recharge" so to speak and you'd be sealed inside.

But Good opinions I too think it could be Pic Jr. Maybe lord Slug After he used the dragon balls?


As for Pic Jr and Evil Pic. To gain unlimited power and imortality all they simply would have to do is look for the dragonballs

Also on King pic's side he could of simply Refused with Kami after wishing himself Young again same with Pic junior. and then have trained for the 10+ years fought vegeta, Freiza, Cell, and Buu himself killed them and made it to this tournament, Considering each Universe's Contestants could be a Little less stronger due to in Trunk's timeline the Androids were 10x Weaker then in U18's Time line.

Just my opinon though.

Edit: and its not to far fetched that during the andriod saga Kami would of chose the less of 2 evils formed with Evil Pic. to save the earth since Evil Pic didn't want to destroy the earth only make it his own.
2011-07-09 17:24:48

SSJ Your nick

Well lets go through possibilities.
---
Janemba

Pros - similar ear shape, and body type.
Cons - Is a mindless destroyer, unlike this figure, who seems more Piccolo or Vegeta-like in attitude. Would destroy all in his universe if he got loose, and so Tapion and Raichi would be dead.

---

King Piccolo

Pros - Looks like he could potentially be a Namek. If he turned 'good' like Vegeta did, his attitude would probably resemble the shadow.

Cons - He was very weak in DB. If he ruled the Earth it would be unlikely he'd train and would eventually be killed by a naturally stronger foe. His clothes seem different.

---

Pre-split Kami

Pros - Again the shadow could be a Namek. Would likely have the same potential power as Piccolo in our universe, which means he could end up very strong (He couldn't be Kami in this form which ultimately stopped Piccolo from proper training in the end)

Cons - None really. It might be a stretch if they make him too strong, which they probably will given the nature of his reveal.

---

Garlic Jr

Pros - Same kind of pointy ear.

Cons - Body type bears no resemblance to either of his forms.

---

Garlic sr.

Pros - Although he's seen as an outline, he seems to be taller than Jr, and could match the body type of the shadow.

cons - There aren't really any, other than why would he gain enough power to survive in his universe? Kami seemed to have little effort with him.


2011-07-09 17:27:26

Samurai190

I'll have to go with King Piccolo on this one.
2011-07-09 17:39:25

Someone

One thing's for sure: it's definitely not XXI. Why would XXI move to universe ?'s room? What could he do there he can't do in universe ?'s room? I'm pretty sure he's instead doing something outside the arena. That'd be alot more useful. Yeah, mixed up numbers. I suddenly thought I mixed up 3 and 5 and now I confused myself...

And besides, wouldn't Tapion notice there's someone with him who shouldn't be there?
2011-07-09 17:42:32

Rafael

@Feliza
I was thinking about the personality trace of this mystery character too, all seems to fit perfectly with piccolo jr., maybe the divergence point was at the 23rd tenkaichi budokai, Piccolo defeated Goku and killed the rest of the Z warriors, conquering the Earth, he continued training and 5 years later Raditz arrived on Earth and somehow Piccolo managed to kill him, being warned about the arrival of the other stronger saiyans he trained a lot and defeated them. What happened before with Freeza, his family and the rest of the WTO I don't know maybe "Kaioshin" happened like in universe 10 or they are still alive and weren't picked up to the tournament because they are equal to the others of U8.
2011-07-09 17:46:48

=SB=

>Salagir said in the comments of page 236 (in French) that XXI's name was pronounced "Ksi".

Wait, so instead of 21, it's pronounced "Kissy"? My lord...
2011-07-09 17:55:24

Suppa Saya Jean

@=SB=
if it is pronounced "ksi"(no need to comment "kissy") it comes from the Greek letter "ξ"

SALAGIR if you can heat us...read us or whatever..Clear things up a little :P
At least disprove some of the predictions (such as in which universe XXI is..because we are getting our brains fried.. xD
2011-07-09 18:17:04

Shinju112

Well i don't know how you people exactly do the color thing, never did this stuff before so any help maybe?.
2011-07-09 18:18:17

metalsystem761

it could be king piccolo or that namek Caracoru remember http://bk-81.deviantart.com/ar...pular%20The%20Namek&qo=155
2011-07-09 18:32:58

siksteen

@metalsystem761
Caracoru doesn't have a face on that pic because he never showed up in the tourney.
2011-07-09 18:42:01

Blazing Waffles

>Salagir said in the comments of page 236 (in French) that XXI's name was pronounced "Ksi".

>Wait, so instead of 21, it's pronounced "Kissy"? My lord...

Maybe the K is silent? Like 'psi' but with a K...nah, probably not.
2011-07-09 18:54:53

namekianidol

Wrong Random Guy Z. Piccolo Jr. is not his father King Piccolo reincarnated.

Akira Toriyama, FUNimation, Shonen Jump, Toei Animation, etc. gotta take reborn form and reincarnation out of Piccolo Jr.'s biography on all DVDs, mangas, video games, and websites. The beginning of the biography should go like this. Piccolo Jr. is the fifth and final nephew of Kami, the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine. Piccolo Jr. is not his father King Piccolo reincarnated. He never was. He never will be forever, because reincarnations aren't like that and

1. A parent (King Piccolo) can't have their own child (can't have his own son) be their (be his) reincarnation. That's stupid. The siblings would then call them Dad, Daddy, Father, and Papa or Mama, Mom, Mommy, and Mother (Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine would then call him Dad and Father, which he's not), which they're not.

2. Reincarnations are always born from a different family that is not related to their past selves, are always the same gender their past selves were, are always the same species their past selves were, and always have a different name forever.

3. Reincarnations always have their past selves' same appearance, same body, same facial structure, same stature, and same voice forever. Piccolo Jr. doesn't have his father King Piccolo's appearance, body, large cheek bones, pointy witch-like nose, tall stature, and voice.
and

4. Reincarnations are always portrayed by the same actor and actress who portrayed their past selves forever. Example. Patricia Velasquez portrays Anck-Su-Namun in "The Mummy (1999)" and her reincarnation Meela Nais in "The Mummy 2: The Mummy Returns." Kami and his evil half and evil twin brother King Piccolo were voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub, while Toshio Furukawa voices Piccolo Jr. in the Japanese Dub.

Reincarnations are always described like that, still appear and stay, and will always appear, will always be, and will always stay like that forever.

Piccolo Jr. even says this to the audience in the episode "Ma Junior No More." "SILENCE YOU WORMS! I AM MY FATHER KING PICCOLO'S FIFTH AND FINAL SON, PICCOLO JR.!"

Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine are his brothers. Kami is his uncle. And King Piccolo is his father. King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. are two different characters. Piccolo Jr. was never inside Kami a long time ago. His father King Piccolo was, but King Piccolo is still Kami's evil half and evil twin brother. Piccolo Jr. just gets the life link connection put into him by his father King Piccolo before he dies. So now if Kami or his nephew Piccolo Jr. die, the other one will die as well.

He only has his father's memories of how his brothers Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine and their father King Piccolo died, what is the life link connection between his father King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr.'s uncle Kami, what was his father's plan, who is Goku, who is Kami, and who killed his brothers and father.

I'm talking about pure reincarnations. Reincarnations that are the same gender and the same species their past selves were, have their past selves' same body, same facial structure, same stature, and same voice, and are always portrayed by the same actor and actress who portrayed their past selves.

Even though Piccolo Jr. is the same alien race as his father King Piccolo, but since he doesn't have his father King Piccolo's body, large cheek bones, pointy witch-like nose, tall stature, is not voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub, and is the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, he's not a pure reincarnation.

What Akira Toriyama did was stupid.
2011-07-09 18:54:00

Salagirfan1237

I think that the guy could be Piccollo Jr Evil.
He has a arrogant pride, not very interested in the tournamente, probably thinks it as a waste of time.
Eyes and ears equal to a Namek, and he has also what it seems to be an antennae showing near his ear!
Something to thing about, don´t you think?
2011-07-09 19:06:08

Roketto



@ Ultimate SSJ:

>Wait tapion had a brother right? could it possibly be him? i will shit bricks if im right

Except that Minosha was a LOT shorter than Tapion. Nah, it's not Minosha.

@ Stouty22:

You're welcome. :^) I color my posts to find them again because I have eye problems.

@ KJCrush:

>I like gogetto's thoery. I'm putting my money on it being The Nameless Namek, who never expelled his evil side and instead embraced it.

Hmmmm, another good theory...... Another thought I had: Note how Dr. Raichi & Shadow Guy say the exact same thing. Could it be possible that Shadow Guy is a puppet that Raichi controls? We all know Raichi can't fight himself, but if he possessed a warrior, he could vicariously fight.

@ Rague:

Haha, Janemba talking in first form =/= talking. It's like he's a Pokemon, lol. xD Besides, in his condensed form, he still just laughed like a maniac.

Also, nice invisi-text there for your name, you sneaky devil!

@ Majestic Space Duck & Shadow:

Lol, oh god, what have I done, it's a color revolution...

@ Abcula:

>Can't do it rainbow style :(


You can, it's just slightly harder/more complicated.


@ Coola:

>This is going to sound crazy but I believe the guy is Magus from Chrono Trigger.

Wow, that guy looks uncomfortable in that particular picture. Must be the codpiece. Sorry, that's just something I noticed.... 6_6o That getup has GOT to be uncomfortable.

@ namekianidol:

...Wow. I don't follow your train of thought or agree with you on everything, but boy, you have some complex theories on Piccolo. That's some impressive fandom.
2011-07-09 19:36:39

Vegetto 2158

Hey guys im back did you miss me? Unless you forgot about me, but im sure that didn't happen ;).

Hmm hatchiyak wouldn't do much damage in this tournament, yea he managed to take on Goku Etc but correct me if im wrong that was before cell or just after?

@Gokan(below)
Even if it was after gohan still had a problem controlling ssj2 (Unless im mistaken).
2011-07-09 19:13:13

namekianidol

It's not fandom Roketto. I'm telling the truth about Piccolo Jr.'s life. Akira Toriyama ruined him. He has to fix him.
2011-07-10 04:07:46

Gokan

>Hmm hatchiyak wouldn't do much damage in this tournament, yea he managed to take on Goku Etc but correct me if im wrong that was before cell or just after?
Has to be before or Gohan might have went super saiyan 2.
2011-07-09 19:53:11

Super Namekian

>>@namekianidol

This is a world ruled by a talking dog, where an old man can blow up the moon- and the moon can be recreated without anyone caring, where dinosaurs and dragons co-exist and two completely different species can interbreed with ease. I don't think Toriyama was aiming for realism. Lets say it is Reincarnation, just moulded into Dragon Ball.
2011-07-09 20:02:12

Cypher

@namekianidol
You can't just change facts established by the author. Toriyama made it clear that Piccolo Jr. is the reincarnated form and the only reason he was able to rejoin with Kami to once again become the Nameless Namek was because he and Kami were once one. Piccolo and Kami's fusion was not the same as when he fused with Nail, but rather a much stronger fusion because he was returning to his true self. This would NOT work if Piccolo Jr. was just an offspring and not the actual being. Also, note how we've never seen Piccolo Sr. in the Otherworld, because he didn't die, he just reincarnated himself (similar to Kid Buu becoming Uub).

Like I said, you have no right to just come in and start claiming false statements to be fact. You are not Akira Toriyami, and it is not your place to tell him that he wrote his story wrong. Like Roketto said, your statements are nothing more than fandom, and hold no canon to DBZ lore.
2011-07-09 20:03:12

Blazing Waffles

>because reincarnations aren't like that

...Unless Mr. Toriyama decides it does, of course. His universe, his rules.
2011-07-09 20:14:46

Gogetto

@Roketto
>Note how Dr. Raichi & Shadow Guy say the exact same thing. Could it be possible that Shadow Guy is a puppet that Raichi controls?

Quite a good possibility there =) or they're both incredibly grumpy =P
2011-07-09 20:29:15

=SB=

>if it is pronounced "ksi"(no need to comment "kissy") it comes from the Greek letter "ξ"
Whatevs, I'm going to call him "Kissy" from now on. Nyeh. :P

BTW, I still suspect that U9 used to have a Tapion, but that's just me.

Speaking of Tapion though, why do people suspect that he isn't one of Raichi's ghost warriors?
2011-07-09 21:17:49

Alexis

And what if he's some kind of super Pilaf? On page 151 you can see a shadow near Tapion that looks like the Shu (the ninja dog), but older. Of course in case it's Shu he could be a servant of Piccolo Daimahu. In any case Shu would be just a spectator and would never participate.

Please take note that that shadow isn't the first shadow that appeared near Tapion. The second shadow (on page 151) has doglike ears, and it's impossible for him to be Raichi again.
2011-07-09 20:41:01

Majestic Space Duck

hahahaha Roketto ive been wondering for a long time how u colored yours so my curiosity is cured now lol but your puppet idea,
>Could it be possible that Shadow Guy is a puppet that Raichi controls? We all know Raichi can't fight himself, but if he possessed a warrior, he could vicariously fight.

is actually a good idea but we'll have to wait and see on sunday too many possibilities to make a conclusion right now lol XD
2011-07-09 20:55:44

jd70087

@Namekianidol
That's all fine and such, but if Piccolo jr isnt the reincarnation, how would his life force still be connected to Kami, Hmmm?
2011-07-09 20:59:19

ShMike

I'm surprised no one is flipping out at Raichi's showing up.

I was hoping we could see more movie characters. I wish Turles would show up with his men, or could have been in the Kakarotto universe since he wouldn't have fought the idea of the tree of might, which would explain also some of their power ups and abilities to defeat Frieza.

Would also be nice to see a red ribbon rules universe, a pilaf universe, a king piccolo universe, and yes, maybe even a GT universe.

Maybe bring in Tarble too!
2011-07-09 21:37:30

rex

tournament so far was good; but now it'll be more exicting.
also king piccolo should fight against dende...!!!

cool isnt it ?
2011-07-09 21:47:32

Gamer dude.

I just thought of something.

Piccolo.jr vs Demon king piccolo.
2011-07-09 21:57:07

Y.O.U.R.

>Anyway, I don't think it's Garlic Sr (or Jr) or King Piccolo since both are just too weak and had no way to gain such amounts of power.
you do realise that manga King Piccolo was muuuch stronger than manga Videl, right? And yet here she is, stronger than Freeza.
And wasn't Goku once as strong as Daimao? And yet look at how much stroner he has become? or look at Piccolo Jr. Or Gohan. Hell, Goku started out far weaker than Daimao and yet, it wasn't impossible for him to get insanely strong, even without transformations.

>Salagir said in the comments of page 236 (in French) that XXI's name was pronounced "Ksi".
huh? how the hell does that work? if you write the letter X two times and the letter I one time, how does that become Ksi? Other than that, Ksi doesn't sound like a very threatening or cool sounding name anyway.
by the way, my username, Y.O.U.R. is pronounced as "Jimmy from the Field" XD

>Except that Minosha was a LOT shorter than Tapion. Nah, it's not Minosha.
I don't think it's him, BUT Minosha was only shorter than Tapion because he was a child, wasn't he? But this takes place many years later, so he would be much taller by now.
But yeah, it's not him. Who calls his brother sir? And shadowguy is bold (page 151)
2011-07-09 22:01:10

CorPetit Fernandez

Namek was because he and Kami were once one.
Reincarnations that are the same gender and the same species their past selves were
and the fourth and final brother of Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine.
King Piccolo since both are just too weak and had no way to gain such amounts of power.

Eu Corpetit?

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2011-07-09 22:19:57

Shazam

Hi everyone.

On the french page, Zangetsu has noticed that it's not the first time we see this mysterious person. We can already see it's shadow on page 151 (in the door, at the right of Tapion's head):

[IMAGE]

Well, with the namekian egghead of this shadow and the ears, eyes and and face we see on this page, I bet it's Piccolo Daimao. For him to stand a chance in this tournament, he would have to be fusioned with Kami-Sama, with his body as base (like Piccolo Jr did before fighting Cell). Or, it's a Kami-Sama that never split in two to become God and as given up to his bad side.
It can't be Janemba cause:
1. Janemba doesn't talk except saying his name like a Pokemon
2. He has horns, that we don't see on this shadow.
3. He is totally uncontrolable, like Broly. He wouldn't stay calm like this guy.
4. Salagir wrote a while ago that he didn't like much Janemba and that he made his choice between him and Broly. We all know who he choose. ^^

What do you think?
2011-07-09 22:15:35

goten

dude garlic is to week he dos have gaining power rember the star he said him slef the start makes him stornger and stornger as time gos on he become as stornger then 2nd form frieza as he was beating piccolo up the some piccolo who beat up frieza and this befor kami was hrut and piccolo him slef said when i turn gaint my power speed go up so piccolo trun haff gaint then get the upper hand on garlic jr but galric jr is not week he wood kill king piccolo and
Vegetto 2158 hathayck wood do lot damege he his 2 more forms that come form the playida super and gaint and he may be much stornger then oen you know if
2011-07-09 22:21:17

CorPetit Fernandez

>Shazam
That page was altered, in the original there is not 2nd that shadow

2011-07-09 22:51:23

Y.O.U.R.

yes it was altered by salagir, and it was pointed out and discussed already on this and on previous pages.

>I saw that this picture hadn't been posted so I did it
It actually was, but never mind.

>Jeez: you really like being in the spotlight here...c
So let me get this straight: CorPetit Fernandez says it was altered, and I say the same thing, adding that we already talked about this(meaning you can already read our ideas, which is what you ASKED US in the first place, BECAUSE YOU ASKED WHAT WE THINK. then he gets a cookie and I'm an asshole. -_-
Kinda strange.
>And, just because it has already been said by others, including you apparently, doesn't mean that I can't talk about it and share my ideas about who this guy is.
exactly when did I say that you can't? I just said that we already saw it and had similar ideas to yours. you even asked what people think, and I simply replied that we discussed it (meaning you can see our ideas above, as I believe that people don't want to type again what they already said)
.
2011-07-09 23:19:44

Shazam

@ CorPetit Fernandez

I didn't know that. Thanks.
Anyway, it gives us more clues to find out who that guy is. I vote for a powefull Piccolo Daimao. :-)

@ Y.O.U.R

> it was pointed out and discussed already on this and on previous pages.

I didn't read all the comments but I saw that this picture hadn't been posted so I did it. And, just because it has already been said by others, including you apparently, doesn't mean that I can't talk about it and share my ideas about who this guy is... -_-

[Edit]

@ Y.O.U.R

> It actually was, but never mind.

Not on this page. I am mostly on the french section and don't read the english section all the time.

> I say the same thing, adding that we already talked about this(meaning you can already read our ideas

With your "it was already discussed", you make it sound like what I am saying is redundant and not worth mentioning. And that, coming from you after our "one way discussion" during Berizzos special, pissed me off.

> which is what you ASKED US in the first place, BECAUSE YOU ASKED WHAT WE THINK.

I asked what you think about the possibility that this guy is Piccolo Daimao and not Janemba. You didn't answer to that. You just said it had "already" been pointed out and discussed, wich sounds like a critic to the fact I posted this.

> he gets a cookie and I'm an asshole. -_- Kinda strange.

What is strange is that you react to what I say and not to Alexis, who has also talked about page 151, for example...

Anyway: I posted this picture cause I didn't see it posted here and wanted to share an information. That's all.

If I missunderstood your message, I appologize.
2011-07-09 22:30:22

MysticYamcha

10 spot left for fighter who didn't fight yet.

Ultimate Namek U7, Raditz U13, Prince Vegeta U13, Dr. Raichi or his fighter U3, The New Shadow Guy U3, Yamcha and Bulma son U9, Crono Trigger U2, Another fighter from Nekomajin Universe U2, two Fighter from U19
2011-07-09 22:30:42

BakaOtaku

Has anyone considered the possibility it could be Miira from Dragon Ball Online.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Miira
2011-07-09 22:58:32

A Person Speaking

Really does look like Janemba, to hell with the idea that Janemba can't talk coherently. If you can have old man krillin, Cyborg Yamuchas, crappy specials and metaphorical and literal Mary Sues, I'll be damned if we can't have a Janemba who can talk coherently.
2011-07-09 23:08:00

Alexis

>MysticYamcha
Don't forget the Cell junior, and other girl from Kat's team.

There's a way Picollo Daimahu could be super strong. With eternal youth he could train forever on the room of spirit and time, then either he could get out with a scream, or knowing a secret way, or whatever. If so, he might be a pretty good opponent.
2011-07-09 23:08:04

ShadowSaiyan

Lol, reading the comments about who everyone think sthe shadow guy is. I have no doubts he is of Namekian origins. I believe him to be either the Nameless Namek(which may be why he called him sir), or possibly he is King Picollo(Sr.) like so many others have already suggested. If he is not indeed one of those two, then I do believe he may be Garlic Sr. although I HIGHLY doubt that he would be here.

Who he is clearly not(like many others have pointed out is janemba, and pikkon. I don't see how he could be either considering all the facts we know about them and this character so far.
2011-07-09 23:11:32

Zingiba

>=SB=
>Wait, so instead of 21, it's pronounced "Kissy"? My lord...

No, not Kissy, Ksi, or rather Ksee with the english pronounciation system. The K is pronounced like the C at the start of the word cook (or the k at the end of that same word for that matter).

>Y.O.U.R.
>huh? how the hell does that work? if you write the letter X two times and the letter I one time, how does that become Ksi?

Try thinking like a french, X isn't "called" Ecks here. It's "called" Hicks and in the name Xavier, we don't say "ecksayvier" we say "ksavié" (with a long "a" like in cat). So we don't pronounce the letters the same, hence, XXI being "ksee" and now "ecks ecks aye" or "ecksaye" or "ksaye"
2011-07-10 04:25:29

NounMan

@comment above
that is obviously Dr. Gero...
Edit: comment that was being replied to has been deleted, ignore this...
2011-07-09 23:37:19

Y.O.U.R.

@Zingiba
ah, I see, thanks for clearing that up.

@Shazam
>Not on this page. I am mostly on the french section and don't read the english section all the time.
It sure as hell was, I posted it. And no, I don't blame you for not reading everything, before you accuse me of such. I only told you because you outright said that it wasn't posted. But that's not so important, so let's not fight.

>With your "it was already discussed", you make it sound like what I am saying is redundant and not worth mentioning. And that, coming from you after the clash we had about Berizzos special, pissed me off.
dude, you really shouldn't think that everything I say is an insult. I don't think I formulated my answer rude or anything, I just said that we already talked about that idea, AFTER you asked what we think. Well, most of us already wrote, so I simply meant that you can already read our ideas above.
>I asked what you think about the possibility that this guy is Piccolo Daimao and not Janemba. That's not what you did.
Well, I DID already write what I think (which was pretty much the same as your idea , btw) , and since I don't want to copy-paste it again (as that would be considered spam or whatever) , I just said that we already talked about it.
> wich sounds like a critic to the fact I posted this.
wow, you really do think that I'm your personal demon, lol. but I'm not . seriously. I'm not.
>What is strange is that you react to what I say and not to Alexis, who has also talked about page 151, for example...
how is that stange?
1. he talked about page 151, but he did say something that wasn't said before, while you brought up pretty much the same points that I have yesterday. Not that there's anything wrong with that, especially since you didn't read the posts of yesterday.
2. and this is the main reason: he didn't ask what we think, you did. And I thought that I can pretty much answer that to you with the fact that we talked about it. I thought you would simply look at the comments above and get the answer you wanted. what's strange about that?
But seriosuly, don't try so hard to be offended by anything I say, alright?
>Anyway: I posted this cause I didn't see it posted here and wanted to share an information. That's all.
And that's FINE. I didn't say it wasn't , I just wanted to let you know that there's already a bunch of answers to the question you just asked. don't try to be offended by me so bad.
I don't see why you thank CorPetit Fernandez for saying pretty much what I did in the exact same neutral way as I did, than you proceed to be offended by me.
But let's not fight, right? cause I don't meant any offense, I just wanted to answer your question. That's all there is to it, and nothing more.
>Super Coyona Master Revolution III
I agree with NounMan, that guy looks like Gero. same eyebrows, same eyes, same old face, same mustache.
2011-07-09 23:35:23

Blazing Waffles

>Super Coyona Master Revolution III

I've just met you and you annoy me already.

But yeah, it's Gero.
2011-07-09 23:48:38

çedilha

man, janemba would be too awsome...king piccolo would be so lame...
2011-07-10 00:08:22

Shazam

@ Y.O.U.R.

> It sure as hell was, I posted it.

Yeah, just saw that... I really didn't see it before. I have no idea how I could miss it. My mistake. Sorry.

> wow, you really do think that I'm your personal demon, lol. but I'm not . seriously. I'm not. [...] But seriosuly, don't try so hard to be offended by anything I say, alright?

No, I don't think you are my personnal demon. I just didn't appreciate your attitude at the end of our discussion about Berizzos special. I was respectfull to you all along and, even thoug you kept not geting my point, I continued to explain. I wish you and Jabarat would have done the same and tryed to ubnderstand what I was actually saying instead of repeating yourselves and mock me with "funny" pics.

> But let's not fight, right? cause I don't meant any offense, I just wanted to answer your question. That's all there is to it, and nothing more.

Ok, let's stop the fighting. I believe you. Sorry again for the missunderstanding here.

By the way: what does your nick mean? I am just curious. ^^

PS. English is not my main language. Maybe that's also part of the communication problem. I'll do my best to be clear. It's good practice for my english. :o)
2011-07-10 00:09:27

jayjaykirby

>that is obviously Dr. Gero...

I always thought it was piccolo junior. xD
2011-07-10 00:28:48

Fox

That looks like Lord Slug for me. It would match the random guy from a movie pattern of this universe.
2011-07-10 00:30:25

Shazam

This guy has a much to "pointy" face to be Slug.
2011-07-10 00:36:52

Rafael

@BakaOtaku
>Has anyone considered the possibility it could be Miira from Dragon Ball Online.

Can't be Miira, this guy only appears 57 years after.
2011-07-10 00:42:52

llw

hahhaa! i knew that those shadows belonged to was dr.raichi all along...but ho is this other charachter in the shadows... he looks a bit like a namekian...is he lord slug...or the demon king piccolo... we'll just have to wait and see...
2011-07-10 01:28:02

Domitjen

I think it's a Kai because:

1: if you look at my pic you will see that they are really EXACT the same ears ( especially with that curl inside their ears)
2: It's more logical that Tapion would address a god with Sir, rather then a maniacal demonnamek.

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2011-07-10 01:34:13

Scar-faced Bandit

@Super Namekian:
>This is a world ruled by a talking dog, where an old man can blow up the moon- and the moon can be recreated without anyone caring, where dinosaurs and dragons co-exist and two completely different species can interbreed with ease. I don't think Toriyama was aiming for realism. Lets say it is Reincarnation, just moulded into Dragon Ball.

Yea that's what I said. Another example is the androids. If they're cybernetic then their body is made up of steel, titanium, or some form of metal. At that point the Saiyan Z fighters and Piccolo could blow up a planet. What kind of metallic substance or alloy did Dr. Gero use to create the Androids so that they could cause pain to the Z fighters? Goku could crush tanks and survive being shot as a kid. Sometimes you have to take the story as it is because there is no logical explanation for it.

@Domitjen:
>2: It's more logical that Tapion would address a god with Sir, rather then a maniacal demonnamek.

That does make sense. Maybe this Kai was strong enough to free Tapion and kill Hirudegarn.
2011-07-10 01:49:37

Brahms The Vampire Lord

I hope its Kami who never split from demon piccolo uber version that would be epic,And if not then at least a uber version of king piccolo,But I believe salagir may make this shadowy guy a brand new character,And if it is I hope he's at least equal to majin buu or it would take away the extended suspence and mystery salagir is giving this guy. But out of all the contestent's here who is everybody rooting for,I'm going for the super namek,And the dragon quest main character.
2011-07-10 01:59:46

Kalkarot-El

@Suppa Saya Jean
>which universe XXI is
Universe 5

@Y.O.U.R.
>if you write the letter X two times and the letter I one time, how does that become Ksi?
Try to pronounce "Xxi"
2011-07-10 01:58:07

Gokitalo

>10 spot left for fighter who didn't fight yet.

> Ultimate Namek U7, Raditz U13, Prince Vegeta U13, Dr. Raichi or his fighter U3, The New Shadow Guy U3, Yamcha and Bulma son U9, Crono Trigger U2, Another fighter from Nekomajin Universe U2, two Fighter from U19

Guldo and Ginyu haven't fought, either. In fact, we've never actually seen Ginyu on-screen in DBM... which suggests he may not be in his familiar purple body.
2011-07-10 01:59:09

Boss

i dont think is garlic cause if gohan,piccolo and krillin didint sucess to avoid him to his dead zone goku will come and send him easily whit super sayian or trunks from the future

@Domijten nice remarke!! your maybe right but if is wonder who is it supreme kai?? it would be awesome!!!!!!
2011-07-10 02:33:32

=SB=

I already hypothesized about it being a Kai! No fair! D:<
2011-07-10 02:37:15

Domitjen

@SB

Yea but I included epic paint skilzzzz! :p
2011-07-10 03:06:08

dbfox

Maybe it's the young version of the Kaioshin that was trapped in the Z-sword?
2011-07-10 03:21:13

Sara

Or some ultimate Potara fusion of multiple Kai's. Heck for all we know Picollo + Kai. Stranger things happened. Though earrings are lacking.

I'm guessing Jamemba, a Namek or a Kai.
2011-07-10 03:29:10

Shadow

@Arkume8beltz

First off, its not gray, its a really dark shade of Azure O-o..
Second: just type the color code into your user name :D, if you dont know the code,check in wikipedia
2011-07-10 03:37:17

Super Gojita 3

It's not a kaio-shin.

It's a makyuushin.
2011-07-10 17:02:21

Gokan

>Well, with the namekian egghead of this shadow and the ears, eyes and and face we see on this page, I bet it's Piccolo Daimao. >For him to stand a chance in this tournament, he would have to be fusioned with Kami-Sama, with his body as base (like Piccolo Jr >did before fighting Cell). Or, it's a Kami-Sama that never split in two to become God and as given up to his bad side.
>It can't be Janemba cause:
>1. Janemba doesn't talk except saying his name like a Pokemon
>2. He has horns, that we don't see on this shadow.
>3. He is totally uncontrolable, like Broly. He wouldn't stay calm like this guy.
>4. Salagir wrote a while ago that he didn't like much Janemba and that he made his choice between him and Broly. We all know who >he choose. ^^

You really can't say that it isn't janemba, well except the no horns, janemba wasn't around to long, he laughed and fought goku, thats really it. Janemba's second form didn't say janemba all the time, just laugh because he thought he won already, but when gogeta came out, he thought different.i could also say that it isn't him because of Salagir not wanting to enter him because hes kinda like broly, and also Janemba is only in there for 5 mins of the movie? it's like putting Hitler in there but doesn't have his top hat, Hitler was in the janemba movie also.
2011-07-10 19:26:53

namekianidol

I'm talking about pure reincarnations. Reincarnations that are the same gender and the same species their past selves were, have their past selves' same body, same facial structure, same stature, and same voice, and are always portrayed by the same actor and actress who portrayed their past selves.

Even though Piccolo Jr. is the same alien race as his father King Piccolo, but since he doesn't have his father King Piccolo's body, large cheek bones, pointy witch-like nose, tall stature, is not voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub, and is the fifth and final son of King Piccolo, he's not a pure reincarnation.

HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT A FUCKING REINCARNATION! GET THROUGH YOUR FUCKING THICK HEADS!

KING PICCOLO DIDN'T TRANSFER HIS LIFE ESSENCE! HE ONLY PUT THE LIFE LINK CONNECTION INTO HIS SON PICCOLO JR. BEFORE HE DIED! THAT'S THE REASON WHY PICCOLO JR. NOW HAS THE LIFE LINK CONNECTION WITH HIS UNCLE KAMI! KING PICCOLO IS TRULY DEAD! PICCOLO JR. FUSES WITH HIS UNCLE KAMI FOR THE FIRST TIME TO BECOME STRONGER! THE NAMELESS NAMEKIAN DOESN'T RETURN! KAMI IS THE NAMELESS NAMEKIAN ASSHOLES!

IT'S AN INSULT TO HIM!
2011-07-10 04:56:19

Ddawg

It's baby!!! Or tuffle king
2011-07-10 06:22:14

ShadowSaiyan

Picollo(Jr.) is in fact the "reincarnation" of his "father", Picollo(sr). King Picollo poured his entire "essence" into the egg that later became the Picollo we all know and love. You could claim he is his "son" since he was spawned from his body(in the form of an egg), but Picollo is the embodiment of King Picollo. The logic that we use in our world really has no place in the DragonBall realm(so to speak). If Picollo was simply just another "child" of King Picollo, then he wouldn't have had that life link to Kami. If that were the case, all of the others would've had it also. Did every Namekian on Namek have a life link to Guru? No. THEY were legitimately his offspring, like Cymbal, Tambourine, Piano, and Drum were legitimate offspring of King Picollo. If someone is the embodiment of someone who is now "deceased" doesn't that make them a legit reincarnation? If Picollo has his fathers spirit, memories, etc.. then I think he is his reincarnation.

Another thought to think about: why would he be the only one out of the bunch to resemble a namekian? None of King Picollo's children resembled Namekians, only his reincarnated self. And the reason "Kami" didn't remember his name is because it had been so long, If he had remembered his original name, he wouldn't have simply called himself "Kami", and when he rejoined with Picollo(as he is the embodiment of king picollo), he wouln't have kept the name picollo, which was only kept for convenience. You could argue that since he is a reincarnation of King Picollo, joining with him technically wouldn't make him his "original self" but seeing as he has the spirit and memories of king picollo, I would be pressed to believe that he is in fact, back to the "nameless namekian". The whole reason he was nameless to begin with is because Kami forgot his name, making him nameless. Kami was only half of his original self once he split from his dark side, and his evil side took on a name of its own(king picollo). correct me if I'm wrong on any of these accounts…..
2011-07-10 10:55:52

LeonFF

I'm guessing the shadow is probably xxi i remember reading he is supposed to be the main villain of this fanfic.
2011-07-10 15:30:33

MikeysBoner

Geno
>That's funny. I don't remember giving that as the evidence.
What other evidence is there? Who else did Goku use 2x against?
2011-07-10 12:55:29

KJCrush

@Namekianidol
Eh, it seems like you're just saying things to be right. I highly doubt akira toriyama took time to read your comments and i even further doubt he indulged your fan boy-ness. The fact is, The Nameless Namek was Kami and Piccolo when they were one. While it's true Kami was the dominant personality, he didn't choose the name Kami. It was given to him by the previous Kami. So it stands to reason that with Piccolo's mindset, along side Kami's mindset, that would create a whole new personality. also,. how can you say things with such absolution? The NAmeless Namek does not have to go just because you think it's an incorrect theory.
2011-07-10 14:24:31

Shazam

@ Gokan

> I could also say that it isn't him because of Salagir not wanting to enter him because hes kinda like broly, and also Janemba is only in there for 5 mins of the movie? it's like putting Hitler in there but doesn't have his top hat, Hitler was in the janemba movie also.

O_o
The first part of your message, I understood, but this is...confusing. I just don't get your point, sorry. Could you be clearer??

@ Domitjen

> 1: if you look at my pic you will see that they are really EXACT the same ears ( especially with that curl inside their ears)

Sorry, but that's just a way of drawing the inside of the ears, probably depending on the position of the face/head of the character. Just look at the Kaioshin next to the one you posted: he doesn't have it. But Videl on page 403, last panel, has it. Same thing for Eleim, the Nano Fighter, on page 376.
2011-07-10 13:24:47

Son Goshen

>I think it's a Kai because:

>1: if you look at my pic you will see that they are really EXACT the same ears ( especially with that curl inside their ears)
>2: It's more logical that Tapion would address a god with Sir, rather then a maniacal demonnamek.

Now that you pointed it out, it does seem possible, but why would only the North Kaioshin be around...?
2011-07-10 14:05:00

Violence Jack X

@ShadowSaiyan

You right about the nameless namekian. He forgot his true name when he landed on earth but still retained some of his memories like his language and how to make the dargon balls, he evenchaly made his way to the look out and trained to become earths god aka kami but couldn't becaus of the evil in his heart. After dividing himself from his evil he became kami and took the title as he's name.

As for the life force bond betwen Piccolo jr and Kami this is how I thnk it works. As we all know Piccolo Daimao is the physical imbodiment of all Kamis evil and because his soul is so twisted and corrupt he is nolonger a true namekian but a Demon. As a result of this all his offspring are deformed and nolonger resemble namekians, the reason Piccolo jr does is because as Piccolo Diamoa was dieing he did a "namekian fusion" with the develioping embryo in the same way that Nail and Kami both united with Piccolo jr but unlike those fusions Piccolo Diamoa only passed on his power and spirte with out fusing bodies. This resulted in Piccolo jr have his fathers power, memories aswell as his bond with kami but because the fusion wasent as complete Piccolo jr was born as a new being which is why he belives himeslf to be both Piccolo Diamao's son and reincarnation. This also explains why he looks like a Namekian while the other offspring did not.
2011-07-10 16:13:14

Suppa Saya Jean

Guys...its obvious who it is...

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Edit: *pEcking order..and im just too lazy to fix it.. :P
2011-07-10 16:03:43

=SB=

pEcking order. pEcking.
2011-07-10 16:33:12

nikolas the potato

its that dude on the very first page of DBM on the top i think
2011-07-10 19:37:48

Geno

@ Geno fan-
>It dosen't matter if it's true or not. The good thing is that you can correct things in your head, and ignore things if it isen't what you want it to be.
Yes, it does matter if it's true or not. You can't just ignore what the truth is and believe what you want. No matter how you go about doing that, the truth will always be that you are still wrong. You cannot change that fact.
>That way for example, people can have the powerlevels you want them to have :)
Yeah, I'm sure Frieza killed all those people with a power level of one... You're not impressing anyone but yourself. I will now wash my hands of you.

@ MikeysBoner-
>What other evidence is there? Who else did Goku use 2x against?
Did you really not see any of my comments about the math involved? Try comparing Goku's power levels and Vegeta's power levels with the boosts that those kaiokens would have given him. Follow it all the way up to kaioken x4 with both versions of it, and keep in mind that Vegeta's max power isn't 24,000 yet. You will see that kaioken and kaioken x2 would have to be the same in order for that fight to make sense. Unless you're one of those people who thinks for no reason that normal kaioken is a 50% increase. Either way, there's more to evidence than him beating someone up. If you still don't see it, then I can only hope that I might be allowed to do the math for you once in a later reply.
2011-07-10 17:04:59

Gokan

I'm just saying that Hitler in that movie isn't as interesting to put in this, janemba in the same way, we didn't find out much about janemba in the time of him being in the movie.
2011-07-10 17:26:47

Saiyanblood

Yes it would make sense actually for it to be a kai. Like dbfox said could be the young elder kai who never
got trapped in the sword somehow. Would make sense as they are talking about the z sword. King piccolo has nothing to do with the sword so theres no reason to why he would sudddenly appear here.
2011-07-10 17:28:09

Blazing Waffles

>It dosen't matter if it's true or not. The good thing is that you can correct things in your head, and ignore things if it isen't what you want it to be.

Going by that logic I can fly because I can ignore the fact that I can't fly.
2011-07-10 17:37:46

Dr. Killjoy

@Suppa Saya Jean
of course, the ultimate unbeatable fighter.....MR POPO!

and lol at the mention of hitler i'm reminded of the uber bad fan fic of anna frank & dbz with super aryan(saiyan) hitler

@geno, wasn't vegeta's power level when he first came to earth 18.000. and 23.000 when he arived on namek?
2011-07-10 17:58:49

Jeff

Dr. raichi, the guy who created hatchiyack.
I heard that hatchiyack was as strong as broly, but he has one weakness, it take 15 sec for him to charge his energy.
2011-07-10 18:46:23

Majestic Space Duck

@Dr Killjoy his power lvl when he came to earth was 15 raditz or in our terms roughly 17,000 his energy wave the Galik (sp) Gun was a power lvl of 27,000 that was on earth when he went to namek 24,000
2011-07-10 18:58:54

Legendary Super Buu

Vegeta was indeed 18000 on earth and 23000 on namek
2011-07-10 19:40:59

Geno

@ Tidus-
>Rule 6. Lol. XDD
Yeah, rule 6 now that people are discussing power levels and not kaioken.

For those interested in what Vegeta's power level is on Namek, might I suggest looking it up in the manga?
2011-07-10 20:41:50

Gokitalo

> King Picollo poured his entire "essence" into the egg that later became the Picollo we all know and love. You could claim he is his "son" since he was spawned from his body(in the form of an egg), but Picollo is the embodiment of King Picollo.

Well, as I recall, King Piccolo translated his memories, powers and the Kami-link to Piccolo. I'm not sure he transferred his soul to Piccolo, however. King Piccolo was a being of pure evil and probably ONLY capable of evil. Piccolo Jr., on the other hand, probably had his own soul, capable of both good and malice. Obviously having King P's memories in his body made him evil, but caring for Gohan awakened the good in him. I don't think King Piccolo would have turned good if he had trained Gohan.

This is just a theory, though.

@Suppa Saya Jean- bwahahaha!
2011-07-10 21:48:33

Feliza

A colored version has surfaced on deviantart.com and it shows the shadow guy having green skin, suggesting he would indeed be a Namek, likely evil Piccolo Jr. While I am not entirely sure how official the colored version is, it can be found in the official Dragonball Multiverse group - dbmultiverse-fc. Pity they don't allow links, so you have to look it up yourself. :/
2011-07-10 23:33:05

hercule rulez

the pointy ear guy is probly the namek that turned into kami and piccolo or hercule in a mask cause hercule is the best fighter in the whole dbz universe...multiverse
2011-07-10 23:15:52

BakaOtaku

>Rafael
>Can't be Miira, this guy only appears 57 years after.

True, but their our other participants in the tournament like Universe 12 with Trunks, where the year is not the same. Also Miira could of gotten a hold of a time machine and traveled to a universe/time where the Vargas were selecting participants.

I certainly think Miira would be an interesting participant, Although I do agree he is unlikely since he is so new to the Dragon Ball universe
2011-07-11 00:55:38

Shazam

@ BakaOtaku

> like Universe 12 with Trunks, where the year is not the same

The year is the same in every universe. Trunks "future" that we witnessed in the manga is now the present.
2011-07-11 01:16:29

namekianidol

Thank you Gokitalo. Piccolo Jr. is his own self. Not an old enemy of Goku reborn.

Kami is and was always the nameless Namekian. He only splits out his evil half King Piccolo, who becomes his evil twin brother.
2011-07-11 01:29:03

Hika

I like the added background of the Z-Sword. :D
2011-07-11 02:09:45

Rahhel

To be honest I had to think of Bakura and Marik on this page when they kept saying "I don't care". :)

Also I personally hope it is King Piccolo.
2011-07-11 04:04:51

alalapoko

O God it is MR. POPO!
2011-07-11 20:28:05

WMJ315

It Looks Like the Pyro Dragon From DBGT
2011-07-12 06:16:39

Eldagusto

Maybe they will reveal Tapion's People are related to the Kai. I get the feeling it is a Kai if Tapion calls him sir. Unless Tapion is just a polite gentlemen and calls everyone sir. But man his universe is filled with creepers apparently. And can anyone Verify if the old dude that Tapion is talking to is from that Hatychik Movie? Since I never seen it.
2011-07-12 07:15:22

Super Gojita 3

I'm guessing the shadowy figure is a makyuu-shin.
2011-07-12 16:52:02

DBM fan

the cloak guy is i think the person on page 0 of DBM go ahead look go to the very first page and there is a guy with a cloak
2011-07-13 16:57:20

mask avenger

guys its just mr.popo
2011-07-23 01:34:54

Jordan94

Maybe the person Taipion is talking to is Garlic, maybe in his universe he didnt die and is guardian of the earth?
2011-07-25 22:53:45

DBZP

Well... it's probably not but the shadow guy reminds me of Lord Slug.

But I really hope it's King Piccolo because that would be fricken awesome! 8D
2011-08-07 21:33:49

Saiyanblood

Ah this guy must be captian ginyu from reading the new pages it has to be. Maybe in this universe he might not of joined freeza. In any case its pretty obvious they dont want you to see the upper head part where the horns would be.
2011-08-10 20:46:21

Gokutheaker

I agree with saiyanblood because of what Freeza says on page 419 I think it's Captain Ginyu because he does kind of have pointy ears and the shadow is hiding his horns also there are only 4 fights remaining in round 1 so there are 8 people who haven't fought yet so Captain Ginyu has got to be one of those 8 and this shadowy character is one of the only ones that we don't know their identity yet
2011-08-10 21:49:14

namekianidol

King Piccolo didn't transfer his life essence. He only put the life link connection into his son Piccolo Jr. before he (King Piccolo) dies. That's the reason why Piccolo Jr. now has the life link connection with his uncle Kami. And Piccolo Jr. doesn't remerge back into Kami. He was never inside Kami a long time ago, because he wasn't born yet. His father King Piccolo was, but King Piccolo is still Kami's evil half, who becomes his evil twin brother. Piccolo Jr. fuses with his uncle Kami for the first time to become powerful. The nameless Namekian doesn't make a return after that happens. Kami is and was always the nameless Namekian, okay.

King Piccolo is truly dead and in Hell (offscreen).
2011-12-20 13:49:09

Ozad

Piccolo Jr. IS King Piccolo's son! with all of his powers and memories!
When he gives birth to him, he calls him 'my son'
And Piccolo Jr. himself calls King Piccolo 'my father' at the end of the 23 th. BT.
Having all of his father' s essence, therefore being a somehow 'clone-type' of son
doesn't make him less his son!
He IS NOT King Piccolo, but his son, whom King Piccolo gave everything he had!

In the manga, when Piccolo Jr. fuses with Kami, Kami himself says: 'You and I were- or more precisely your parent- and I used to be one
2012-01-26 19:00:20

namekianidol

Piccolo Jr.'s not a clone.

Cloning is only done by bio-technology and test tubes. And clones always have the original host's same body, same facial structure, same stature, and same voice, and are always portrayed by the same actor and actress who portrayed their past selves.

Piccolo Jr. doesn't have his father King Piccolo's body, large cheek bones, pointy witch-like nose, tall stature, and is not voiced by Takeshi Aono in the Japanese Dub. Toshio Furukawa is the Japanese Dub voice of Piccolo Jr.

And Kami and King Piccolo were not one. There was no nameless Namekian that split into Kami and King Piccolo. Kami is and was always the nameless Namekian. Kami only splits out his evil half King Piccolo, who becomes his evil twin brother. Piccolo Jr. fuses with his uncle Kami for the first time to become powerful.

Piccolo Jr. just gets the life link connection put into him by his father King Piccolo before he (King Piccolo) dies. That's the reason why Piccolo Jr. now has the life link connection with his uncle Kami.

Piccolo Jr. only has his father's memories of how his brothers Cymbal, Drum, Piano, and Tambourine and their father King Piccolo died, what is the life link connection between his father King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr.'s uncle Kami, what was his father's plan, who is Goku, who is Kami, and who killed his brothers and father.
2012-04-01 01:23:49

Angel

lol, King Piccolo is Bakura...
2012-07-16 22:09:38

Yrnck

kai is not amused (stale face)

Piccolo Jr. Is the son of King Piccolo who reincarnated a bit of himself in his son more or less
2012-09-24 04:47:30

oreos

Raichi with tapion and a mysterious person?! I'm now curious how this universe developed o.o
2012-10-21 08:56:04

ssj4goku

that is Bardock in the shadows
2012-12-15 04:16:08

RageKiller

Tapion-how about you
Pewdiepie-I don't care!!!
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